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I do respect teenagers that choose positions of adult responsibility though.
 
I am definitely someone who considers anyone under 18 to be a child unless they act super mature. But I'm also someone who thinks its kind of ridiculous that after someone reaches a certain age (like 18) they suddenly become something else as if it's something that happens over night. I never really liked that.

Still, I do group childhood and adolescence together. But I can see and understand why others don't.
 
Arago said:
I am definitely someone who considers anyone under 18 to be a child unless they act super mature. But I'm also someone who thinks its kind of ridiculous that after someone reaches a certain age (like 18) they suddenly become something else as if it's something that happens over night. I never really liked that.

Still, I do group childhood and adolescence together. But I can see and understand why others don't.
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I think it's experience that really makes the man/woman. Some people never really leave childhood, and some leave too early.
 
I have loads of respect for teenagers who get a freaking job.

That's something that even some adults won't do.
 
Kurono said:
I think it's experience that really makes the man/woman. Some people never really leave childhood, and some leave too early.
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I absolutely agree. Maybe that's also part of why I consider so many of the youth to be children as well, because a lot of the 13-17, and even 18-24 year olds act pretty similar to each other.
 
I consider someone a kid or a child regardless of their age ( to a certain point ), if they act in a way that calls for that. I have a friend who's 24, but you'd guess that she was 15 or so, and I still think of her as a "kid", really. It all just depends on the person.
 
Umbreon said:
Freelancing isn't a normal job, it's just basically the equivalent of doing household chores. (Except it's not chores and it's usually not for someone you're living with or even know very well.)
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Uh....how is it the equivalent of household chores? I have never heard that comparison.
 
I find it far more accurate to judge someone's maturity, decency, and level of intelligence by their behavior and actions rather than go off of the general consensus of their age group.
 
Alex said:
I find it far more accurate to judge someone's maturity, decency, and level of intelligence by their behavior and actions rather than go off of the general consensus of their age group.
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It's tough to measure intelligence. So many different things to consider.
 
Oryx said:
Uh....how is it the equivalent of household chores? I have never heard that comparison.
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That was a bad example, but what I meant was freelancing is basically you do small jobs here and there, while with household chores you do small jobs as well. (Although some jobs in freelancing are large jobs)
 
I've mentioned before I care more about what experience you've had, but there are also some experiences that are basically locked to you before a certain age, and others that are highly unlikely before a certain age, which give a baseline to consider people of different ages. Because you just can't say things like "I'm going to wait to hear this 3 year old speak before I assume it's not mature enough to drive", so clearly there's a line for everyone. I can assume most 16 year olds won't have held down steady full-time jobs for more than 3 months, won't have lived on their own, won't have years of driving experience, won't have to juggle bills, pretty safely. I can also guess, although with a bit less certainty, that 16 year olds won't be cooking a lot of meals themselves, won't be acting as primary caregivers for younger children, won't be learning to manage money. That's not a comprehensive list, but it gets the gist of it - there are some things that change you and mature you that people of certain ages just are not going to have done, and some that they may have done, which is part of why different 16 year olds have different maturity levels.

This is true all through life; at my age I'm unlikely to go through a marriage or a funeral or a divorce, I'm unlikely to have to deal with balding as a woman, I'm unlikely to go through childbirth, I'm unlikely to have gone through the process of buying a house, all things that would change me and how I see life. There are almost always these locks, up until...probably around retirement.

I also think class plays a big part of it - I was the only one of my high school friends that even tried for a job, but the ones from my public school, much lower class, were much more likely to get one. The exceptions were the other few in my grade that were in the same financial situation at home.
 
Comparison of class levels in terms of lifestyle? Yeah, that was me in middle school. I was on special assignment to the middle school I went to, and I was going to school with a bunch of people that were living in a higher-class lifestyle than me. It changed though when I got into high school, because I went to the high school for my neighborhood, where class level lifestyle was generally the same (sometimes lower) than mine.
 
Oryx said:
I've mentioned before I care more about what experience you've had, but there are also some experiences that are basically locked to you before a certain age, and others that are highly unlikely before a certain age, which give a baseline to consider people of different ages. Because you just can't say things like "I'm going to wait to hear this 3 year old speak before I assume it's not mature enough to drive", so clearly there's a line for everyone. I can assume most 16 year olds won't have held down steady full-time jobs for more than 3 months, won't have lived on their own, won't have years of driving experience, won't have to juggle bills, pretty safely. I can also guess, although with a bit less certainty, that 16 year olds won't be cooking a lot of meals themselves, won't be acting as primary caregivers for younger children, won't be learning to manage money. That's not a comprehensive list, but it gets the gist of it - there are some things that change you and mature you that people of certain ages just are not going to have done, and some that they may have done, which is part of why different 16 year olds have different maturity levels.
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Some people shine with a different kind of maturity and wisdom than what you get by growing up, and it naturally comes to them… Maybe there are different arrays of things at play than just what's been laid out here.
 
Alex said:
Some people shine with a different kind of maturity and wisdom than what you get by growing up, and it naturally comes to them… Maybe there are different arrays of things at play than just what's been laid out here.
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I mean, maybe, but the kind of maturity I'm talking about is the maturity to deal with real-life situations and live in this world, which is developed through dealing with real-life situations and living in this world. Maybe there's some kind of spiritual maturity or something, but honestly that doesn't interest me. Even intellectual maturity needs honing over years past high school (excepting the family of 12 year old college graduates).

The definition of wisdom inherently includes experience.
 
Oryx said:
I mean, maybe, but the kind of maturity I'm talking about is the maturity to deal with real-life situations and live in this world, which is developed through dealing with real-life situations and living in this world. Maybe there's some kind of spiritual maturity or something, but honestly that doesn't interest me. Even intellectual maturity needs honing over years past high school (excepting the family of 12 year old college graduates).

The definition of wisdom inherently includes experience.
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Don't all sorts of maturity and wisdom deal with real life experiences the same as one another? And by this logic, shouldn't you consider the learned maturity and intuitive wisdom equally?
 
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