Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting

Let's try to stay on-topic here people. You wanna talk about abortion, we have a recent thread for that.
 
Nah said:
Let's try to stay on-topic here people. You wanna talk about abortion, we have a recent thread for that.
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Wasn't talking about abortion, originally... But I guess freedom doesn't walk hand in hand with gun rights and abortion.. I only mentioned abortion cause it's a leftist view where as gun rights is a right view. Yet out of everything I said, a liberal had to but their battlefield gear on and completely miss the point as usual and bring up abortion in a context I wasn't talking about because I mentioned a belief they hold so strongly forcing me to question them into why they believe in this black and white debate. But it's cool. What one side says goes completely debunking "right and wrong" as I'm familiar with your political background. I'm not new to this game and I know you abuse power, similar to how any power abuses power, wouldn't you say?

What I'm really tired of, is the deception of the human race, it's scary tbh. I'm not scared to question authority, just cause they have power over me. I did the same thing to police and judges. I enlighten, and any position of power is afraid of that. And if I'm banned, this only proves my point.
 
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@ShinyUmbreon

My post was more about the fact that Fox news have perpetuated the conspiracy theory that Jewish people (particularly George Soros) are behind everything and controlling America. Which, as far as I'm aware, is the same thing that this murderer committed these awful acts over.

Nothing to do with whatever excuse your post was about. :c
 
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@ShinyUmbreon

My post was more about the fact that Fox news have perpetuated the conspiracy theory that Jewish people (particularly George Soros) are behind everything and controlling America. Which, as far as I'm aware, is the same thing that this murderer committed these awful acts over.
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Okay, and Fox news is as biased as the rest, whats your point?
It's no conspiracy theory the worlds controlled by the wealthy elites.. Funded by Corporations, lying about everything in the media to divide the people while they leech and make profit. You think anyone in power gives a shit whether you succeed in life or not? To me, this is a problem. I'm not saying they're behind these conspiracies, it's all speculation.. But at the same time, what does it seem the left leaning media is trying to do? Portray guns as the problem. Who's a supporter to the left and funds the left? George Soros himself. It's so easy to create illusions to get people to believe and gain supporters, especially if you already have them at your fingertips. How else would the media be "successful"?
With that being said. What makes any source or information more accurate than the next when none of the sources have the full story? Have you read between the lines and watched the lies the left and right spew to gain attention and followers? It's a strong magic spell to lift off. Not like real magic, but after seeing how biased both sides are on the same incident proved to me it's all acting for profit and support, and of course to distract us from their true plans. But in the end, it's controlled by the same people because they enjoy watching us suffer and resort to chaos over beliefs in what one would portray as right or wrong, which is why I say "black and white" way of viewing the world, which they created. It's twisted I know. But guess what, it's worked since the beginning of humans.
To think people have power is a delusion. Only people whom obtain power are those in power.
 
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Mana said:
Maybe one day we'll all be as woke as you.
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I like to call it, "self aware". Not sure if you were trying to insult me or not, but if so... Keep believing what those in power tell you. Chances are, it's to further their agenda. There's a reason things are the way they are. I'm only here to enlighten, but am often looked at as an enemy for trying to awaken people.

Back on topic.. As I said, mental illness isn't taken seriously enough. Instead of portraying guns as the problem, what about mental illnesses? Seems to be more and more people being diagnosed with a mental illness.. The way the world is run and how we're forced to struggle wouldn't have anything to do about that now would it?
If a mass murderer has a mental illness and committed mass murder as anger at the system, one would assume there's a problem with both mental illnesses and the system right? How longs it gonna take for people to realize the system is simply that broken?
Ya know, high poverty rate, incarceration rate, suicide rate, gun violence rate, the list goes on. All can be blamed on the system for not taking care of the people. Isn't that their duty? I don't think people understand how this all links together into one. Yet they pick one thing and blame it on that instead of themselves. This is the reason why I dread debating with many on here cause most simply don't understand what they don't know, or what they haven't been told or taught. I'm a free thinker, not a sheep taking teams.
Shit if it were up to me, nobody would starve. Why? Cause it's a necessity for survival. When people in poverty are using guns to intimidate others cause they just need food you know that's a problem with the SYSTEM not guns. When mentally ill people commit mass murder, that's again on the SYSTEM ignoring the fact their mentally ill and might be dangerous and that it's a good idea to do stricter psychological testings and background checks..
What about minorities in poverty? Oh wait, wasn't slavery and black hatred a thing? Yeah, well it still is today! Yep, classified in classes making them less privileged meaning less opportunity equaling poverty which leads to doing what one needs to do to get money which results to criminal activity. Oh but guess what? When they get caught with what the SYSTEM provided them with they do what? Incarcerate them.
Yeah, that's how the world really works. Or the fact that mentally ill might use that on others or themselves.. Yeah, suicide rate isn't high cause guns are easily accessible. Oh no no no. There's MANY more problems than guns, yet guns are the biggest concern? In no way, shape, or form is a gun dangerous in the hands of a law abiding citizen that knows gun safety.. How many times has a police officer got a call to the ghetto cause some gang banger shot another gang banger? All the fucking time so they usually don't get involved in it this "black on black crime". Media never says anything about mass murders that happen in Chicago every year cause it's black on black. See, it's all an agenda.
But yeah, when you got all these problems... And the wealthy elites profiting off of that is enough to piss anyone off after you realize they've been lying to you since the beginning. What people need to do, is just wake up. It's not that difficult really.
 
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ShinyUmbreon189 said:
Okay, and Fox news is as biased as the rest, whats your point?
It's no conspiracy theory the worlds controlled by the wealthy elites.. Funded by Corporations, lying about everything in the media to divide the people while they leech and make profit. You think anyone in power gives a muk whether you succeed in life or not? To me, this is a problem. I'm not saying they're behind these conspiracies, it's all speculation.. But at the same time, what does it seem the left leaning media is trying to do? Portray guns as the problem. Who's a supporter to the left and funds the left? George Soros himself. It's so easy to create illusions to get people to believe and gain supporters, especially if you already have them at your fingertips. How else would the media be "successful"?
With that being said. What makes any source or information more accurate than the next when none of the sources have the full story? Have you read between the lines and watched the lies the left and right spew to gain attention and followers? It's a strong magic spell to lift off. Not like real magic, but after seeing how biased both sides are on the same incident proved to me it's all acting for profit and support, and of course to distract us from their true plans. But in the end, it's controlled by the same people because they enjoy watching us suffer and resort to chaos over beliefs in what one would portray as right or wrong, which is why I say "black and white" way of viewing the world, which they created. It's twisted I know. But guess what, it's worked since the beginning of humans.
To think people have power is a delusion. Only people whom obtain power are those in power.
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The least you can do is post this in a more reasonable fashion that does not include wild conspiracy theories.
 
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The least you can do is post this in a more reasonable fashion that does not include wild conspiracy theories.
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Oh hi, seem's I've come across another person that doesn't understand how the world works? How are these conspiracy theories wild? I'll patiently wait for your response..

In the meantime... Could you please explain how the average citizen has a say in how the world works and how the wealthy few make billions upon billions a year by forcing us to support their "profit organizations" for survival? I mean, they're the ONLY few in the population with that type of money. Is that not how the world works? If not, could you also explain how the world works, by proving that the wealthy elite don't control the world and money?
Nobody has yet to explain why the left and right debate is filled with holes without defending their side. You think people actually have a say? No, it's illusion of choice and it's oh so obvious. If you disagree.. Tell me HOW your vote matters when history has proven those in power set the standards and guidelines. They control everything, DUH!
Last I checked we're forced to pay taxes and have no say where they go.. Guess where they go to? Military and intelligence is top of the list.. You'd be the first to admit you use technology daily but will refuse to admit it controls your daily life. guess what that means?
Do you have authority over a police officer in court? Imagine the authority you have over such top tier power on the hierarchy. Until you can prove this isn't how the world works I will continue to post stuff like this.
But it's easier to believe lies than to question it. People are asleep simply cause they either fear the truth or they're in deceit of the truth and don't want to accept they're wrong.
Taking guns away from a robot like society would make their lives so much easier. Tho taking our guns would be their last or close to last freedom they'd strip.
You should expand your mental before you start claiming anything a conspiracy.. Chances are, you have little to zero knowledge on the evidence us "conspiracy theorists" have. Trust me, you don't want it. I'm just warming up. :)
Cause the way we do things, requires one to think for themselves. There's evidence everywhere, chances are you use it daily. Bet you still don't comprehend tho.

Here's a little something to think about as well.. Makes a lot of strong points..

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Don't you get it? We're just slaves.. Seriously tho, think of all the reasons how we aren't a slave to the system. Again I'll wait for that oh so short list.

My question is... Why must a freedom of being stripped be in such high demand more so than what is behind the gun violence itself? Have you actually ever thought of that, or just blindly followed what media says? Which they automatically attack GUNS as their first target without acknowledging the links to MENTAL ILLNESS. It's not exactly that hard to connect the dots ya know. But people are naive, and those in power understand and know this. THAT'S how they keep us controlled and staying in power. Plus all the scare tactics to put us in fear.
You got a lot to learn.
 
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I wanted to comment on this before, but I really don't know what to say.
On the one hand, as an Israeli jew it's hard to find words when something like that happens. It infuriates me and saddens me. On the other hand, nothing new under the sun :\
 
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Nah said:
There must be a gun shop here and there in Europe, since as far as I know guns are not completely and totally banned in Europe in general, so the (few?) people that do have them must be able to buy them somewhere.

I think that some people have a bit of a skewed view on certain things regarding guns in the US too. Not everyone "worships" guns, it's not like the grocery stores have a gun aisle, and the country does actually have gun laws, believe it or not.

Gun control is only part of the solution anyway.
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True. But unlike USA, you just can't walk in and buy one. That's the important difference.
 
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ShinyUmbreon189 said:
Oh hi, seem's I've come across another person that doesn't understand how the world works? How are these conspiracy theories wild? I'll patiently wait for your response..

In the meantime... Could you please explain how the average citizen has a say in how the world works and how the wealthy few make billions upon billions a year by forcing us to support their "profit organizations" for survival? I mean, they're the ONLY few in the population with that type of money. Is that not how the world works? If not, could you also explain how the world works, by proving that the wealthy elite don't control the world and money?
Nobody has yet to explain why the left and right debate is filled with holes without defending their side. You think people actually have a say? No, it's illusion of choice and it's oh so obvious. If you disagree.. Tell me HOW your vote matters when history has proven those in power set the standards and guidelines. They control everything, DUH!
Last I checked we're forced to pay taxes and have no say where they go.. Guess where they go to? Military and intelligence is top of the list.. You'd be the first to admit you use technology daily but will refuse to admit it controls your daily life. guess what that means?
Do you have authority over a police officer in court? Imagine the authority you have over such top tier power on the hierarchy. Until you can prove this isn't how the world works I will continue to post stuff like this.
But it's easier to believe lies than to question it. People are asleep simply cause they either fear the truth or they're in deceit of the truth and don't want to accept they're wrong.
Taking guns away from a robot like society would make their lives so much easier. Tho taking our guns would be their last or close to last freedom they'd strip.
You should expand your mental before you start claiming anything a conspiracy.. Chances are, you have little to zero knowledge on the evidence us "conspiracy theorists" have. Trust me, you don't want it. I'm just warming up. :)
Cause the way we do things, requires one to think for themselves. There's evidence everywhere, chances are you use it daily. Bet you still don't comprehend tho.

Here's a little something to think about as well.. Makes a lot of strong points..

Spoiler:


Don't you get it? We're just slaves.. Seriously tho, think of all the reasons how we aren't a slave to the system. Again I'll wait for that oh so short list.

My question is... Why must a freedom of being stripped be in such high demand more so than what is behind the gun violence itself? Have you actually ever thought of that, or just blindly followed what media says? Which they automatically attack GUNS as their first target without acknowledging the links to MENTAL ILLNESS. It's not exactly that hard to connect the dots ya know. But people are naive, and those in power understand and know this. THAT'S how they keep us controlled and staying in power. Plus all the scare tactics to put us in fear.
You got a lot to learn.
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All that I am saying is to reword your argument so that it makes more sense and is easy to read. Is that too hard to ask?
 
ShinyUmbreon189 said:
Back on topic.. As I said, mental illness isn't taken seriously enough. Instead of portraying guns as the problem, what about mental illnesses? Seems to be more and more people being diagnosed with a mental illness.. The way the world is run and how we're forced to struggle wouldn't have anything to do about that now would it?
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Mental illness is an issue, you're not wrong about that. What solution can you think of for that? Just curious. I'll post my detailed thoughts as far as a response goes in response.
 
BronzeHeart92 said:
Even more proof it seems that ShinyUmbreon had traumatic experiences in the past... Thankfully not enough to be anarchist but close.
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Oh cool you can make assumptions!! Would you care to make fun of a real mentally ill person? Or is it just people whom you disagree with?
Wanna know something tho? That mentality about "traumatic experiences in past life" and making fun of that, is the reason motherfuckers commit mass murder.. It's people like you that give them reasons to hate when they're already empty.. It's people like you assuming and labeling, judging others you don't know without a clue of knowing what that person has been through, seen, or may have even done and I GUARANTEE I have done, seen, and been through more shit than you could fathom. For what? To make yourself feel more entitled? Trust me, I'm not just self aware, I'm spiritually awake. I'm FAR from mentally ill, trust me.
Besides, you know nothing other than what liberals believe, nor do you know shit about America and it's culture, and on top of that, making fun of mental illness.?? Therefore, I have no desires to debate with you. It's disgusting.

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Mental illness is an issue, you're not wrong about that. What solution can you think of for that? Just curious. I'll post my detailed thoughts as far as a response goes in response.
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It starts with requiring stricter mental testings.. Maybe don't just do all the testings in a day cause one can easily cover up their illness.. Put a longer hold on getting a gun instead of just giving it to people that day when they buy? Ya know, actually take the shit seriously. If one has a history of mental illness in general it should be noted and taken more seriously. Focusing on mental illness will do more good than focusing on guns...
Cause to be real the two that commits a majority of the gun violence is the mentally ill and criminals..
Not everyone should have a gun, it's that simple.

Or ya know, take mental illness more seriously in schools and in general.. In a world of corruption, hate, and chaos it's hard for one not to lose themselves. This is why mental illness should be one of the top priorities. To prevent incidents like this... to help prevent suicide rate.. People commit suicide and commit mass murder cause they've disconnected themselves that far, and that's got a lot to do with the population around them not treating them the same as others, or by not filling their emotions with positivity. Not saying to give them false hope, but actually give them hope and show them they matter and have a purpose. People don't do this cause they fear the backlash it would have on their "friends or peers" cause that person is an "outsider".. People are so self absorbed these days that they would rather care about what someone may think of them, than to help a person in desperate need. What's that tell you about the "population?"
Take bullying more seriously..
There's so many things we can do as a society to help others without those in power telling us what or how to do it.. Just fucking do it! People THINK they need leadership and positions of authority to make their decisions or to do something that's right.. No, you just need yourself. Fuck those in authority for allowing this to happen while making profit off it.. They will never do the "right" thing to prevent bad things from happening.. It's on the people now.

What gets to me tho... Is people say "oh we need to do something about gun violence cause theres insane mass murderers running around". But completely ignore the black on black crime, which has WAY more gun violence than the mentally ill, or ignore the fact they're all "gun free zones". Then again, people believe what the media tells them and the media obviously isn't trying to navigate the people towards taking guns away.. But that's just a conspiracy that's oh so obvious.. Or the fact that taking guns away is a "freedom" of ours.
Take guns away, might as well turn to full tyranny, not that we aren't headed that direction anyways.. But I'm just crazy for not being liberal... To believe anything the liberal media tells you, is scary. Or to believe the media in general, is scary. To choose a side, is frightening.
 
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ShinyUmbreon189 said:
Oh cool you can make assumptions!! Would you care to make fun of a real mentally ill person? Or is it just people whom you disagree with?
Wanna know something tho? That mentality about "traumatic experiences in past life" and making fun of that, is the reason motherfuckers commit mass murder.. It's people like you that give them reasons to hate when they're already empty.. It's people like you assuming and labeling, judging others you don't know without a clue of knowing what that person has been through, seen, or may have even done and I GUARANTEE I have done, seen, and been through more shit than you could fathom. For what? To make yourself feel more entitled? Trust me, I'm not just self aware, I'm spiritually awake. I'm FAR from mentally ill, trust me.
Besides, you know nothing other than what liberals believe, nor do you know shit about America and it's culture, and on top of that, making fun of mental illness.?? Therefore, I have no desires to debate with you. It's disgusting.

There's so many things we can do as a society to help others without those in power telling us what or how to do it.. Just fucking do it! People THINK they need leadership and positions of authority to make their decisions or to do something that's right.. No, you just need yourself. Fuck those in authority for allowing this to happen while making profit off it.. They will never do the "right" thing to prevent bad things from happening.. It's on the people now.
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Alright, gotcha. Even so, as you might guess, a society where society has a 'right' to guns is something I happen to view as alien and wrong. Can't help it you know. And as I also like to emphasize, you can 'insult' me for all you want about our society and I will take it in stride. That said, 2nd Amendment really is a 'relic' that deserves to be forgotten. Again, how many bodies it will take before Americans will do something about I wonder...
 
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Alright, gotcha. Even so, as you might guess, a society where society has a 'right' to guns is something I happen to view as alien and wrong. Can't help it you know. And as I also like to emphasize, you can 'insult' me for all you want about our society and I will take it in stride. That said, 2nd Amendment really is a 'relic' that deserves to be forgotten. Again, how many bodies it will take before Americans will do something about I wonder...
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Still as ignorant on gun violence and America as always.. Here's the real problem... How many homeless people, starving children, doped out fiends in the streets, soldiers in war, gotta die while they make profit, before people realize this is a problem with the system? Or the fact all the shooters are/were mentally ill or a majority of gun violence is in poverty stricken areas, thanks to the system keeping them suppressed and classified in the poverty line. Or are you not familiar with how America really is and it's problems that are way more concerning than guns and stripping of "freedom"? Not sure why I asked cause the answers blatant.

As I said, it starts with focusing on mental illness and poverty.. Do those 2 things.. The gun violence will drop drastically. But this would never happen cause we're stuck arguing black and white debatesS
As for owning a gun being wrong... Wouldn't one say abortion is wrong? But I'm sure you find abortion 100% okay.. I don't agree with it, but it's a FREEDOM.
Guns aren't the PROBLEM. The SYSTEM is the PROBLEM.

To DISTRACT, DECEIVE, AND DIVIDE is how they control a nation.
 
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Alright, gotcha. Even so, as you might guess, a society where society has a 'right' to guns is something I happen to view as alien and wrong. Can't help it you know. And as I also like to emphasize, you can 'insult' me for all you want about our society and I will take it in stride. That said, 2nd Amendment really is a 'relic' that deserves to be forgotten. Again, how many bodies it will take before Americans will do something about I wonder...
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Even if you repeal the 2nd Amendment, the guns still exist in the USA. Removing the law doesn't magically change anything. You would need to enforce the law, which would mean taking the guns away from people. And that won't end well. So come up with a better solution than, "Oh, why doesn't America just repeal the 2nd Amendment?!" Everytime a shooting happens in the USA, you always come running and posting this comment over and over again.

It is honestly starting to turn into an Onion article: "Local Finland man suggests amending the US Constitution. Americans are stunned that no one in history has suggested amending it."

Guns aren't the problem. Guns are the symptom. The cause of the violence is what is leading to the shootings in the first place. What the USA needs to do is have a Federal Program that all States must follow, which will help curb the violence. For example, you have people afraid of Jews and Black people, and their fear may translate into violence against them. You have Incels who are insecurity, and they lash out against women.

Furthermore, half of all gun violences are suicides, so the USA should put programs in place to help curb suicides. Bullying can lead to teens in the USA committing suicide, and transgender people are being bullied for being trans.

I also like that anyone required to own a gun, should be required to take a State training lesson to ensure they know how to properly use, maintain, and store a firearm.

Finally, I think a better exchange of information from all levels of Government will help too.
 
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^ Couldn't have said this better myself. You executed fine points I made.

What I don't understand tho, is why people assume guns are the problem when they don't understand guns. Or attack guns as the problem when it's clearly not the case. I agree, stricter testings and classes would reduce WHO gets a firearm. Of course nobody is completely 100% sane and the testings may fluctuate for the average citizen so it should go off a point system like they do on medical testings.. Score high enough, no gun for you.

But lets discuss felons.. Should a felon that got caught with a couple ounces of weed be banned from owning a firearm even if that persons mentally stable? Surely a stoners gonna commit mass murder...
Where do you draw the line for criminals or felons?

The problem I have with guns in general is how the right wants to give everyone and their mother a gun cause it's a "God given right" and the left wants to take them away. Just compromise and sacrifice something on both sides.. Giving everyone a firearm is a bad idea, but taking them away is more of a bad idea. It's only escalating the issue at hand, making it that much more difficult to resolve. This is why I say the media is to deceive and divide.
 
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