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lol too late Azonic; I use one and it proves to run pretty well. I will not lie. Sure, it can't switch in on anything easily, but when people dont' expect it...it hurts a lot. That's its power. You're going to rid of a non-scarf/dragon sweeper most likely.
 
I'm sorry, I'm just not too good on Princess! PPlease, I'm beggin' ya, don't ban me! I got a wife 'n kids!
 
Umm.... sims could use the PIMP CANE. :O

Gardevoir:@ lefties
Calm/Modest
Trace
Evs: 252/ 160 hp, 252 sp def/ att, 90/6 spd
calm mind/Psych up
Grass knot/ Wow/ shadow ball/ energy ball/hp[ice]/Hypnosis/Thunder wave.
Focus blast
Psychic

Yeah, tank and maybe stat inducer.
 
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Maybe if we used pokemon people knew about :P

Scarf Gardevoir is the real deal. With a Timid Nature, you can torch Scarfcross, and that's not all! You can simply brush aside SD Garchomp, who when you throw in Gardy will think it's an auto-win. Sup HP Ice.

If Gardy runs a CM operation, it needs WoW so it doesn't get totally loled at by Pursuiters, or any incoming physical sweepers really.

But really, Scarf Gardy works. Unlike Gallade, there's no mega-superior option like Medicham. People never expect it, and even when they know Scarf is coming people have trouble stopping it.

Of course, I prefer choice Specs, but I do for most things.
 
Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 said:
Maybe if we used pokemon people knew about :P

Scarf Gardevoir is the real deal. With a Timid Nature, you can torch Scarfcross, and that's not all! You can simply brush aside SD Garchomp, who when you throw in Gardy will think it's an auto-win. Sup HP Ice.

If Gardy runs a CM operation, it needs WoW so it doesn't get totally loled at by Pursuiters, or any incoming physical sweepers really.

But really, Scarf Gardy works. Unlike Gallade, there's no mega-superior option like Medicham. People never expect it, and even when they know Scarf is coming people have trouble stopping it.

Of course, I prefer choice Specs, but I do for most things.
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7000 "you're so awesome" points to Anti-Pop for saying that. Most of The Generation knows that my Scarfvoir's a beast to deal with because it hits like a nuclear bomb, isn't too common among the OU game IMO, so it deals major damage.

My current Scarfvoir can't reach above Weavile's speed due to less of speed IVs, but I'm working on getting one with HP Ice with at least 65 BP. It's still a major problem to a lot of the game though when it comes in, nukes off a pokemon, then hides behind a tank until it's safe to come out again.
 
Anti-Pop said:
Maybe if we used pokemon people knew about :P

Scarf Gardevoir is the real deal. With a Timid Nature, you can torch Scarfcross, and that's not all! You can simply brush aside SD Garchomp, who when you throw in Gardy will think it's an auto-win. Sup HP Ice.

If Gardy runs a CM operation, it needs WoW so it doesn't get totally loled at by Pursuiters, or any incoming physical sweepers really.

But really, Scarf Gardy works. Unlike Gallade, there's no mega-superior option like Medicham. People never expect it, and even when they know Scarf is coming people have trouble stopping it.

Of course, I prefer choice Specs, but I do for most things.
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I got 2 things to say: First of all, SD Garchomp isn't the only set out there. It's not even the most popular. THe most popular is CB or CS Outrage. And although 102 base speeed isn't by any means slow, there are some people who use it.
And another thing, how on Earth does Medicham outclass Gallade as a mega-superior option? Even with Pure power Gallades attack is still higher and its faster too, Medicham doesn't have close combat, Gallade has night slash, something Medicham doesn't making it garbage up against Cresselia, it doesn't have swords dance, or status afflictions in the forms of hypnosis, thunder wave, or will-o-wisp, doesn't have stone edge and lacks taunt. I don't mean to be mean but I just don't see where you're coming from.
And not totally, but Gardevoir is outclassed by alakazam
 
Lol Elemental Punches ftw! That's what makes Medicham better, it has a much more diverse range of attacks.

Also Pure Power doubles it's attack at the end not the base attack, ie Max attack Pure Power Medicham has 480 Attack, where as Gallade is down at 383
 
Romo_Owens said:
I got 2 things to say: First of all, SD Garchomp isn't the only set out there. It's not even the most popular. THe most popular is CB or CS Outrage. And although 102 base speeed isn't by any means slow, there are some people who use it.

Nobody uses CBchomp. SDchomp outclasses it totally. No Gardy set can beat Scarfchomp. Just send in your counter.

And another thing, how on Earth does Medicham outclass Gallade as a mega-superior option?

480 Attack vs. 383 Attack.

Even with Pure power Gallades attack is still higher and its faster too,

lol, Medicham has higher attack.

Medicham doesn't have close combat, Gallade has night slash, something Medicham doesn't making it garbage up against Cresselia,

Close Combat is asking special sweepers to come in and kill Gallade now! Cresselia walls Gallade totally if it doesn't use Night slash...and it rarely does. It's very easy to outpredict Gallade and then switch in skarmory when you know night slash is coming.

it doesn't have swords dance, or status afflictions in the forms of hypnosis, thunder wave, or will-o-wisp,

lol, we aren't talking about the status set. This is about which is the better sweeper. As for Swords Dance, you're just asking a physical sweeper to come in and scare you off while you SD up. Gallade is so slow.

doesn't have stone edge and lacks taunt.

Sweeper Gallade with Taunt isn't going to work ;/ Medicham can kill what Stone Edge hits anyways...it doesn't need it.

I don't mean to be mean but I just don't see where you're coming from.

Your argument makes no sense though.

And not totally, but Gardevoir is outclassed by alakazam

Gardy can take a hit. What really makes it better is that it is very unpredictable.
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Medicham outsweeps Gallade every day of the week.

BTW I was referring to the Scarf sets of both.
 
Outsweeps Gallade? I don't think so. Scarf is useless on everything, so that still doesn't make Medicham better than Gallade


Gallade @ Choice Band
Trait: Steadfast
EVs: 64HP / 252Atk / 192Spd
Adamant nature(+Atk, -SpAtk)
- Close Combat
- Ice Punch
- Night Slash
- Psycho Cut

better than Medicham as a generic CBer/sweeper, period


tell me how Medicham outclasses Gallade again, and I promise that I'll counter every single one of your arguements
 
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*sigh* Though this topic was about Gardevoir, I guess it's acceptable to discuss it's other split evolution. I know this is just right now you guys are just debating with eachother, but I can see it devolving into something worse. And flamehaze, don't be so standoffish. It's annoying.
 
And how many times must I say I was referring to the Scarf set. That was the total basis of my argument.

EDIT: Choice Scarf is good on Medicham BTW.
 
flamehaze94 said:
The Scarf set isn't a sweeper set
it's just deadweight
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I know what you think about choice Scarf in general, and in most cases I actually agree with you...

...But Choice Scarf Medicham is quite potent if you know how to use it.
 
medicham doesn't have much of choice but to run scarf, so that's a moot point.

cb variants of gallade perform way better than medicham.
 
Hahahaohwow said:
medicham doesn't have much of choice but to run scarf, so that's a moot point.

cb variants of gallade perform way better than medicham.
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Why does it HAVE to run Choice Scarf ?

Ive run a Choice Band Medicham and it rapes stuff.


Why does Gallade run Choice Band better?

Medicham gets Pure power, and they both have identical speed so thats cant be argued.
 
173 base ATK > 125 base ATK, not 120 base ATK < 125 base ATK.

PLUS.....

80 base Spd. = 80 base Spd.

Medicham - Gallade
HP 60<<<<<<68
ATK 173>>>>>125
DEF 75>>>>>>65
SATK 60<<<<<<65
SDEF 75<<<<<<115
SPD 80======80
TOTAL 523>>>>518

So, as you can see, Medicham completely outclasses Gallade in terms of CBing. The only reason you would consider Gallade for Choicing is Close Combat.
 
Gallade has a better movepool and can switch in easier. I don't have experience with CB variants of Medicham outside of ADV or Gallade at all, so I dunno.

What I do know is that Scarf Medicham runs better than Scarf Gallade, which was the only point I was trying to make.

As for Gardevoir, has anybody ever gotten destroyed by that thing? I have a really embarrassing battle log saved.........
 
Anti-Pop said:
Gallade has a better movepool and can switch in easier. I don't have experience with CB variants of Medicham outside of ADV or Gallade at all, so I dunno.

What I do know is that Scarf Medicham runs better than Scarf Gallade, which was the only point I was trying to make.

As for Gardevoir, has anybody ever gotten destroyed by that thing? I have a really embarrassing battle log saved.........
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I havent gotten destroyed, but i had a rare lapse, it switched into my Heatran and traced flash fire and i tried to fire blast it again and i was like "why isnt its hp going down?" I R STEWPID lol, but to be fair this was a while ago so ill use that as an excuse XD
 
Dark_Azelf said:
Why does it HAVE to run Choice Scarf ?

Ive run a Choice Band Medicham and it rapes stuff.


Why does Gallade run Choice Band better?

Medicham gets Pure power, and they both have identical speed so thats cant be argued.
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For one, even though Medicham has 480 base attack compared to Gallade's 383 base attack stat, Gallade Close Combat actually outdamages a Medicham's Brick Break, thus meaning that Medicham has to run Hi Jump Kick unless he wants to lose in the power department. Hi Jump kick has 100 base power and 90 base accuracy. Do you know how reliable that is? If you miss Hi Jump Kick, hit something resistant to fighting, or go against a ghost, Medicham will downright slaughter itself with the recoil damage, coming off 720 attack (including CB). The other moves commonly seen on the generic Choice Bander are as follows: the Elemental Punches and Psycho Cut/Double-Edge. The Elemental Punches are staples, since it's the only thing thing Medicham really gained that was notworthy besides Psycho Cut, but Gallade can also access the Elemental Punches by Emerald move tutor and also get Psycho Cut. Double-Edge is the only notable option to beat Cresselia, but Medicham must have Choice Band Adamant and max attack to actually put a dent to Cresselia, but the thing that put's it off is that it's illegal with Psycho Cut, which is a D/P breeding move, now you've just lost your most valuable weapon against Dusknoir. Another point is that Medicham is really only good as a Choice user, meaning that it's very predictable, and the shear suprise factor as Gallade as a sweeper seems to pressure and catch many people off guard. Gallade, not only can function as a generic CBer, it can fill niches in your team with status, Swords Dance sweeper, Bulk Up, Wish, etc, thus adding to it's unpredictability.

Now let's look at base stats: Medicham has 60 base HP, 60 base attack (with Pure Power), 75 base defense, 80 base speed, 60 special attack, and base 75 base special defense. And then Gallade's: 68 base HP, 125 base attack, 65 base defense, 80 base speed, 115 base special defense. Medicham is far more fragile than Gallade; a true glass cannon, and because of Gallade's useable HP and high SpDef, it can actually switch into stuff like Modest SpecsLuke Aura Sphere or something near those lines and threaten to counter them. Close Combat off Gallade is of par with that of Heracross's, meaning CC 2HKOs both Forretress and Skarmory. Not only does it get a nice weapon named Night Slash to effectively deal with both Dusknoir and Cress, but it also gets the same things Medicham gets. And unlike Heracross, it gets Ice Punch to kill Gliscor.
 
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