Pokemon Sun and Moon Starters Evolutions Leaked?

[Sabrewulf238]

At least Litten wouldn't become a Fire/Fighting type. Although I guess for some people just looking like it's a Fire/Fighting type would be enough to turn them off.

I can't get over it's goofy sized hands. It's like in the Tom & Jerry cartoons when Tom gets his hand (paw) slammed with a hammer and it balloons in size.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

So, anyone remember these supposed leaks of the final evolutions of the starters? https://imgur.com/a/xbYQ9

Well it appears that these artworks' suspicion of being real has taken a huge twist, thanks to this supposed fired member of Sun & Moon's European translation team mentioning the description of the starters' final evos:

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He mentions that "Robingroot" has a green hood and shoots leaves as an arrow, "Panthster" which is a muscular bipedal tiger/panther hybrid that supposedly uses wrestling tactics, and "Entermaid" which is a sea lion/mermaid hybrid that uses its voice to charm the audience. They are mentioned to be Grass/Flying, Fire/Fighting and Water/Fairy respectively.

And now look at the artworks and you'll see how accurate he is.

Spoiler:

Rowlet's final evolution - "Robingroot"

Spoiler:

Litten's final evolution - "Panthster"

Spoiler:

Popplio's final evolution - "Entermaid"

If this turns out to be the case, Litten is going to become the starter that no-one wants to pick whereas Rowlet's already-huge popularity will likely grow even further, and maybe Popplio will get more fans for having a more uniquely designed evolution as well.

Reposting what I said in the other thread

The source of the "leak" is 4chan...So it is fake. Posts like that appear on 4chan DAILY. Also, the person who allegedly leaked this being fired from a specific branch is asking for jail time and a very, very hefty lawsuit as it is insanely easy to track who this person would be based off the info they gave.

That and saying that many fantasy thoughts that have been circulating for months with the only "New" information being the Gorilla and Capybara makes this a very hard pill to swallow.

This is pretty much the same info that has been regurgitated on 4chan for the last two months. Especially the Soul Bond Method. This would be the seventh time I've seen people mention that specific mechanic on there.

There is 0 credibility to the leak, it panders to rabid fan ideas, and it is poorly executed in backstory as employees who are let go from corporations have to sign a non-disclosure agreement and if any info "leaks" those members will have to go through investigations to see if they are the ones posting it. The list of people that could have leaked it with that kind of background would be singular at the very least and as I already said, they'd face corporate backlash through a very hefty lawsuit, more than likely more than that person will ever see in their lifetime as well guaranteed jail, if not prison time, for corporate espionage.

 

[Hikamaru]

Like Xander said, it shouldn't be believed so take it with a grain of salt. In fact Serebii even outright bans users from discussing 4chan so you can see why people find the site untrustworthy.

But that leaker I have to admit is being very risky here, considering he could face huge sanctions for talking about stuff that's not meant to be known until it's supposed to be officially revealed.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Like Xander said, it shouldn't be believed so take it with a grain of salt. In fact Serebii even outright bans users from discussing 4chan so you can see why people find the site untrustworthy.

But that leaker I have to admit is being very risky here, considering he could face huge sanctions for talking about stuff that's not meant to be known until it's supposed to be officially revealed.

The risk is what makes it unbelievable. If they were legit, they'd have more than just word of mouth to go on. They'd have also said much more as they'd potentially be able to spoil the entire story.

Also, why not reveal the other Tapu? Why not Marshadow? There were more choices to make the evidence believable than, "Oi I got fired so here is my rage induced beanspilling that you have all speculated for months already. Let me confirm your speculations because I'm legit pissed."

Another thread like this will likely appear tonight, claiming to be an employee or someone related to an employee in some way confirming or deconfirming what was said today. This is a daily thing for 4chan.

 

[Blazing Rud]

If that is evolution of Piopplio i am gonna die.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

A lot of people are noticing that the concept art for those final starter evos are disappearing on Google search, which indicate that the leaks may be legit. Even Shofu did a video covering on it.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

A lot of people are noticing that the concept art for those final starter evos are disappearing on Google search, which indicate that the leaks may be legit. Even Shofu did a video covering on it.

That doesn't actually confirm or hint that they may be legit. The owner of the images can file a take down with various companies, especially people like Youtube and Google to fake authentication. They can also be removed under the pretense of falsifying legal rights. If you try to push that something belongs to someone else such as intellectual rights towards images or ideas, that person can file take downs for false claims which would be considered an attack on the companies' assets. If they aren't the starter evolutions when they are revealed people would assume that they put them up to lead us away and complain that the other one may have been better which would attack the company's image.

So even if fake, a company or person can manipulate a take down or the originating company who is suspected of ownership can take it down since it is viewed as an attack towards themselves.


How I see it, if they were real, we would have had confirmation just as with Drampa, Vikavolt, Charjabug, Cutiefly, and Tapu Koko. Them being legit and leaking this early when the others all leaked closer to the game's release to me is highly unlikely.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

That doesn't actually confirm or hint that they may be legit. The owner of the images can file a take down with various companies, especially people like Youtube and Google to fake authentication. They can also be removed under the pretense of falsifying legal rights. If you try to push that something belongs to someone else such as intellectual rights towards images or ideas, that person can file take downs for false claims which would be considered an attack on the companies' assets. If they aren't the starter evolutions when they are revealed people would assume that they put them up to lead us away and complain that the other one may have been better which would attack the company's image.

So even if fake, a company or person can manipulate a take down or the originating company who is suspected of ownership can take it down since it is viewed as an attack towards themselves.


How I see it, if they were real, we would have had confirmation just as with Drampa, Vikavolt, Charjabug, Cutiefly, and Tapu Koko. Them being legit and leaking this early when the others all leaked closer to the game's release to me is highly unlikely.

Did they ever confirm the Unova final starters before the games' release? Irc the middle starters were confirmed a couple weeks prior to the release of Black and White, but the final starters were meant to be a secret. However, that situation was closer to the game's release, so they probably didn't want or planned to show them, seeing how they were virtually confirmed due to the middle evolutions.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Did they ever confirm the Unova final starters before the games' release? Irc the middle starters were confirmed a couple weeks prior to the release of Black and White, but the final starters were meant to be a secret. However, that situation was closer to the game's release, so they probably didn't want or planned to show them, seeing how they were virtually confirmed due to the middle evolutions.

Black and White they didn't have time IIRC since it showed up right on top of the release, but XY IIRC they did confirm a few after players got early access to the games and were spoiling Pokemon. They also didn't do any Takedowns for Black and White other than the entire Pokedex leak image and like for XY when many images of Pokemon appeared GF and Nintendo started issuing DMCAs to various websites that host info.

Both times they were easily confirmed shortly after they appeared like around 2 weeks or so for the BW Starters and within a week or so for XY.

 

[MarinoKadame]

Also most of the time the artists who made those fakemon take down those picture because some people used em without their approval, mostly youtubers that use em as thumbnails.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

That doesn't actually confirm or hint that they may be legit. The owner of the images can file a take down with various companies, especially people like Youtube and Google to fake authentication. They can also be removed under the pretense of falsifying legal rights. If you try to push that something belongs to someone else such as intellectual rights towards images or ideas, that person can file take downs for false claims which would be considered an attack on the companies' assets. If they aren't the starter evolutions when they are revealed people would assume that they put them up to lead us away and complain that the other one may have been better which would attack the company's image.

So even if fake, a company or person can manipulate a take down or the originating company who is suspected of ownership can take it down since it is viewed as an attack towards themselves.

If that were the case, then why are the other fake final evos not deleted either? The fact that it's specifically those final evo leaks that's getting deleted indicates that they may be real. It happened before with other leaks like the ESRB leak for Smash Bros. 4, who everyone thought was fake when initially revealed before getting taken down.

 

[Mawa]

Okay so... I want thi to be true so badly, except for Litten. I don't really like this, I would prefer it this stay on 4 legs. Maybe I missed it, but do you know what's the type? I kinda see this Litten's evolution to be a fire/fighting and I don't want to XD

 

[Xander Olivieri]

If that were the case, then why are the other fake final evos not deleted either? The fact that it's specifically those final evo leaks that's getting deleted indicates that they may be real. It happened before with other leaks like the ESRB leak for Smash Bros. 4, who everyone thought was fake when initially revealed before getting taken down.

They aren't. A large majority of the "Ballio" and "Owltair" images have been long deleted. I found more of the mermaid, Archer owl, and Wrestler cat images still floating around than the Cannon Panther, Creepy pasta clown, and Assassin Creed Owl. The only ones I'm finding that aren't being deleted are the ones that were specifically fan made and stated to be fan made from the very get go.

A takedown doesn't prove that it's real. I've already said it's a easy to fake process if you know how and what to do. There can be a legal issue that arises but it's a minor one that can be overcome by anyone. The takedowns can also happen for false imagery as I also stated. If there is a takedown in effect it is more likely because of false imagery. Takedowns have many reasons behind them, potentially being a positive leak is one, but so is false imagery to protect the company.

Again I'll bring up, 7 Pokemon were leaked ahead of the scheduled debut forcing TPCi and GF to reveal them early. These starters have been circulating for a month or more, and not just a month, well before the usual leak period. The final forms don't typically show up until the month of release. Them being this early pushes a lot of reasons against them being real. Being out for that long and no official notice of any kind has surfaced. No site that has hosted the images has received a DMCA. They are merely disappearing from image host sites at best. Any site that keeps them and stores them on their local service still has them. The owner of the images is a more likely culprit than TPCi and GF.

A lot of sites also used 4chan as the hosting image for both sets of evolutions, and 4chan recently destroyed a lot of threads. Tons of repeated threads with the same images and troll threads. Some of the posters also post threads like the Chinese Leak, delete them, then make other threads claiming that the mods deleted them or that they don't know why the thread was deleted. This is the easiest thing to fake. Top this off with the fact that the entire Pokemon fandom is practically thirsting for any new information even when we were given a little bit already. The fandom is flying off the handle from 4chan leaks that claim they were fired from the European translation team, a member of the Chinese translation team, or anyone named John Gamefreak that appears and whispers all the sweet rumors we've wanted to hear about and claim them as real. (The last one has been done and used so many times on 4chan. Like it's a love story turned horror movie at this point.)

Bottom line of what I'm trying to say, the supposed takedowns do not authenticate the starters. They are no more confirmed than when they first appeared. If they were legit takedowns, there would actually be legal notice to accompany it that would have been everywhere by now. These "takedowns" may not even be takedowns. Trolls go through stupidly extreme lengths just to get a kick out of fan reactions.