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There are three game-freezing/breaking bugs:

After rematching Ronald several times I got many legendary cards. However, now if I rematch him and win, at the moment that I'm supposed to receive the reward (a promo card), the game freezes. Music still plays but the game functionally stops working and animations cease.

The second bug is in the Fighting Club. I believe I've traded with the guy at the table of the Fighting Club, or rematched him a few times, and now upon pressing A on him, the game freezes. Music still plays but the game functionally stops working and animations cease. I wonder if there is a certain card or dialogue between bith Ronald and this guy that causes the game to freeze.

The third bug is encountered when fighting one of the Grandmasters. They will play a Mail from Bill as if it were a defending Pokemon. I'm not sure how this happens. Mail from Bill has 120HP and does not faint to attacks most of the time even if all the damage counters are full, and is also resistant to the Water type. I have decked out against this a few times, making it frustrating to deal with.

Other minor bugs:

When Ariados uses Toxic Thread while the defending Pokemon is Suicune with Pure Body, the Suicune is switched out but the new defending Pokemon is not Poisoned and may still retreat, probably due to Suicune's Pure Body somehow being still in effect since it was the original Pokemon before being switched out.

Magikarp's attack Gold Scale does not work. No cards are drawn and the attack does nothing. Is it possible that when you rewrote the drawing attacks to only draw when they inflict damage, that this move was affected?

No matter who I challenge, I cannot seem to get another copy of Crystal Ho-Oh, Lugia, Charizard, or Celebi. I only have one copy of each, but I'd like to make the decks around these Pokemon like the ones that are in the Legenary Autodeck machine in the hall of honor. How can I obtain more Crystal Pokemon?

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Togetic LV36
This card is amazing. Firstly, 90HP Stage 1 is a solid HP benchmark. A CC attack with 30 damage is solid, as well, AND the attack draws 2 cards after dealing damage. Lastly, the ability makes this an amazing addition to literally any deck. You can frontline this Pokemon to draw cards and deal decent damage, or you can backline it to soak up damage that your defending Pokemon is taking. Furthermore, either Togepi that you would use as the Basic for this Stsge 1 are themselves solid. Overall 10/10 card and very powerful. Would suggest nerfing its HP to 80 and decreasing Sweet Kiss damage to 20 or even as low as 10 (it's categorically better than Rapidash's Gallop, currently) while still maintaining CC cost, and it would still be played.

Entei LV60
This card is versatile and 1 copy should be played in every deck regardless of the type of deck. This card should rarely be used to attack even in a Fire deck. It's strength comes from two things: its ability Step In and its single energy Retreat Cost. This means that with one Energy, this Pokemon is basically a free Switch/Full Heal at the cost of attaching an Energy for that turn. However, it's even better than Full Heal or Switch because Entei can switch Pokemon out of not just special conditions like Sleep, Paralysis, and Poison, but also the effects of Leer, Sand Attack/Smokescreen, anti-retreating effects, and anti-Trainer effects from opposing Pokemon. How it works is like this: say my attacker was just Paralyzed, Asleep, or hit with Smokescreen/Sand Attack. I use Entei's Step In ability, then attack a single Energy (doesn't matter the type), then immediately Retreat the Entei back into my attacker who is now cured of those conditions or effects. I don't necessarily believe it should be nerfed, though.

Shadow Lugia
This card is powerful. It's ability actually is not all that great at all, and not what makes it powerful. What makes it powerful is it being a 80HP basic with a scaling attack. The only problem is its versatility with Energy, which limits its ability to ramp up quickly. But when backed up by supporters like Togetic, Entei, and Clefable, this card is basically unstoppable. I'm not sure it should be nerfed, though, because it requires an entire deck built around it to work at peak efficiency, and it's also an endgame card and intended to be strong.

Proposed Buffs:

Full Heal should allow you to draw a card if it cures a status condition. There's just not enough incentive to include Full Heal in a deck because when you need it, it's not there, and when you don't need it, it's there. Full Heal would only be worthwhile if successfully using it allowed you to keep card advantage.

Allow Strength Charm to deal 10, 20, or 30 damage depending if the Pokemon it is used on is Basic, Stage 1, or Stage 2, respectively. This will give it greater payoff in decks with evolutions and incentivize its use in those decks.

Energy Ark should not require a discard. It's currently barely usable--this would make it only somewhat usable in some decks, or a 1-of copy in most decks for utility.

Super Energy Retrieval should only require one discard. Same reasoning as above--if you're trading only 2 cards (itself and one discard) for 4 basic energy that already need to be in your discard prior to using it, and you have something like Politoed to actually utilize that burst of 4 energy immediately, then you deserve to pop off. Otherwise it's still a steep cost for no reward because the only way to rapidly accelerate more than one energy attachment from the hand before attacking is by using Politoed.

Ruin Wall should only require one discard. Pokegear requires 2, pulls anything from the deck. Ruin Wall is limited by only what you've already played and only gets Trainers. Putting it down to one discard would make it far more viable, and not overpowered.

There are a ton of other balances and tweaks I would make to the Pokemon themselves. Do you have a Discord server for this game? If I play and review each deck type and every card and provide feedback and ideas, would you be willing to check it out? I honestly love this game you've made and I've put a ton of hours and playtime and investigation into it. I'd love to give you more feedback if it helps.
 

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FYI the non-legacy girl version from the drop box doesn't patch anything. I tried 2 online patchers, flips (linux), lunar ips (via wine on linux), built poke tcg rom from the git repo (vs other rom I had), then finally created an account here and downloaded through the first post link then and applied the patch and now it's working. Convoluted way to say the dropbox link is outdated or whatever, which I believe you mentioned a few posts back anyhow.
I just checked the dropbox link and it works fine for patching? Maybe you downloaded the previous version (1.3) before the dropbox updated to 1.31.

There are three game-freezing/breaking bugs:

After rematching Ronald several times I got many legendary cards. However, now if I rematch him and win, at the moment that I'm supposed to receive the reward (a promo card), the game freezes. Music still plays but the game functionally stops working and animations cease.

The second bug is in the Fighting Club. I believe I've traded with the guy at the table of the Fighting Club, or rematched him a few times, and now upon pressing A on him, the game freezes. Music still plays but the game functionally stops working and animations cease. I wonder if there is a certain card or dialogue between bith Ronald and this guy that causes the game to freeze.

The third bug is encountered when fighting one of the Grandmasters. They will play a Mail from Bill as if it were a defending Pokemon. I'm not sure how this happens. Mail from Bill has 120HP and does not faint to attacks most of the time even if all the damage counters are full, and is also resistant to the Water type. I have decked out against this a few times, making it frustrating to deal with.

Other minor bugs:

When Ariados uses Toxic Thread while the defending Pokemon is Suicune with Pure Body, the Suicune is switched out but the new defending Pokemon is not Poisoned and may still retreat, probably due to Suicune's Pure Body somehow being still in effect since it was the original Pokemon before being switched out.

Magikarp's attack Gold Scale does not work. No cards are drawn and the attack does nothing. Is it possible that when you rewrote the drawing attacks to only draw when they inflict damage, that this move was affected?

No matter who I challenge, I cannot seem to get another copy of Crystal Ho-Oh, Lugia, Charizard, or Celebi. I only have one copy of each, but I'd like to make the decks around these Pokemon like the ones that are in the Legenary Autodeck machine in the hall of honor. How can I obtain more Crystal Pokemon?

Tier List:

S

Togetic LV36
This card is amazing. Firstly, 90HP Stage 1 is a solid HP benchmark. A CC attack with 30 damage is solid, as well, AND the attack draws 2 cards after dealing damage. Lastly, the ability makes this an amazing addition to literally any deck. You can frontline this Pokemon to draw cards and deal decent damage, or you can backline it to soak up damage that your defending Pokemon is taking. Furthermore, either Togepi that you would use as the Basic for this Stsge 1 are themselves solid. Overall 10/10 card and very powerful. Would suggest nerfing its HP to 80 and decreasing Sweet Kiss damage to 20 or even as low as 10 (it's categorically better than Rapidash's Gallop, currently) while still maintaining CC cost, and it would still be played.

Entei LV60
This card is versatile and 1 copy should be played in every deck regardless of the type of deck. This card should rarely be used to attack even in a Fire deck. It's strength comes from two things: its ability Step In and its single energy Retreat Cost. This means that with one Energy, this Pokemon is basically a free Switch/Full Heal at the cost of attaching an Energy for that turn. However, it's even better than Full Heal or Switch because Entei can switch Pokemon out of not just special conditions like Sleep, Paralysis, and Poison, but also the effects of Leer, Sand Attack/Smokescreen, anti-retreating effects, and anti-Trainer effects from opposing Pokemon. How it works is like this: say my attacker was just Paralyzed, Asleep, or hit with Smokescreen/Sand Attack. I use Entei's Step In ability, then attack a single Energy (doesn't matter the type), then immediately Retreat the Entei back into my attacker who is now cured of those conditions or effects. I don't necessarily believe it should be nerfed, though.

Shadow Lugia
This card is powerful. It's ability actually is not all that great at all, and not what makes it powerful. What makes it powerful is it being a 80HP basic with a scaling attack. The only problem is its versatility with Energy, which limits its ability to ramp up quickly. But when backed up by supporters like Togetic, Entei, and Clefable, this card is basically unstoppable. I'm not sure it should be nerfed, though, because it requires an entire deck built around it to work at peak efficiency, and it's also an endgame card and intended to be strong.

Proposed Buffs:

Full Heal should allow you to draw a card if it cures a status condition. There's just not enough incentive to include Full Heal in a deck because when you need it, it's not there, and when you don't need it, it's there. Full Heal would only be worthwhile if successfully using it allowed you to keep card advantage.

Allow Strength Charm to deal 10, 20, or 30 damage depending if the Pokemon it is used on is Basic, Stage 1, or Stage 2, respectively. This will give it greater payoff in decks with evolutions and incentivize its use in those decks.

Energy Ark should not require a discard. It's currently barely usable--this would make it only somewhat usable in some decks, or a 1-of copy in most decks for utility.

Super Energy Retrieval should only require one discard. Same reasoning as above--if you're trading only 2 cards (itself and one discard) for 4 basic energy that already need to be in your discard prior to using it, and you have something like Politoed to actually utilize that burst of 4 energy immediately, then you deserve to pop off. Otherwise it's still a steep cost for no reward because the only way to rapidly accelerate more than one energy attachment from the hand before attacking is by using Politoed.

Ruin Wall should only require one discard. Pokegear requires 2, pulls anything from the deck. Ruin Wall is limited by only what you've already played and only gets Trainers. Putting it down to one discard would make it far more viable, and not overpowered.

There are a ton of other balances and tweaks I would make to the Pokemon themselves. Do you have a Discord server for this game? If I play and review each deck type and every card and provide feedback and ideas, would you be willing to check it out? I honestly love this game you've made and I've put a ton of hours and playtime and investigation into it. I'd love to give you more feedback if it helps.

And I thought I was done with this. Okay, debugging time. First question: approximately how many more times did you beat Ronald for this to show up? I'll have to know to try and trigger it myself, since I haven't seen it. Count the number of Master Balls + Shadow Lugias + Unown J's + Promo Entei's you currently have, that should give me an estimate.

I just found out the second game freeze with the man who is supposed to take cards then gift, I'll work on debugging it. Third glitch I need more information: which Grandmaster are we talking about? Although I think I already know how to fix this one…

The Toxic Thread one, I know what causes it and it is beyond my ability to fix sadly. It's related to the "Pokemon 2's name shows up after you switch out Pokemon 1" glitch. Sorry. The magikarp one you re right on the money though, I mixed up the effects. Easy fix at least. The crystal thing is not a glitch though, you have to rebattle the grand masters and enter the Hall to recieve 1 copy of each of the cards again.

As for the nerfs and buffs, I'll think about them, but as stated I am not really doing that anymore. The game is finalized (except for apparently all the bugs that made it past my testing) and I have to end development at some point. However, the source code for this game is free and linked, and I have even included instructions on how to hack within the files of the game. You are free to use that as a base to implement all the changes you want.

Regardless, thank you for playing and finding these bugs.
 
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I just checked the dropbox link and it works fine for patching? Maybe you downloaded the previous version (1.3) before the dropbox updated to 1.31.



And I thought I was done with this. Okay, debugging time. First question: approximately how many more times did you beat Ronald for this to show up? I'll have to know to try and trigger it myself, since I haven't seen it. Count the number of Master Balls + Shadow Lugias + Unown J's + Promo Entei's you currently have, that should give me an estimate.

I just found out the second game freeze with the man who is supposed to take cards then gift, I'll work on debugging it. Third glitch I need more information: which Grandmaster are we talking about? Although I think I already know how to fix this one…

The Toxic Thread one, I know what causes it and it is beyond my ability to fix sadly. It's related to the "Pokemon 2's name shows up after you switch out Pokemon 1" glitch. Sorry. The magikarp one you re right on the money though, I mixed up the effects. Easy fix at least. The crystal thing is not a glitch though, you have to rebattle the grand masters and enter the Hall to recieve 1 copy of each of the cards again.

As for the nerfs and buffs, I'll think about them, but as stated I am not really doing that anymore. The game is finalized (except for apparently all the bugs that made it past my testing) and I have to end development at some point. However, the source code for this game is free and linked, and I have even included instructions on how to hack within the files of the game. You are free to use that as a base to implement all the changes you want.

Regardless, thank you for playing and finding these bugs.
With regard to the Ronald game freeze bug: I can give you the number of promos I have,, but there's one issue--I've been playing the Challenge Hall over and over to get more promos. Currently I have 6x Unown J, 8x Entei LV60, 5x Shadow Lugia, and 6x Master Ball. I think I rematched and beat Ronald like 5-10 times before the game started crashing after I beat him.

The Grandmaster who plays Mail from Bill is either Courtney or Jack. Sorry I didn't have more info earlier--I had to go back in and fight and see which one caused the issue.

As for having only one copy of the Crystal Pokemon--I just challenged the Grandmasters again to test the above bug, I beat them, and attached I have some screenshots of the message I have been getting ever since I beat the Grandmasters for the first time: "There are no cards left for us to give you." I also attached a screenshot of my cards after I went through the credits and still only have one copy of each Crystal Pokemon.

As for the balancing, I totally understand. I will actually look into making those tweaks if I have the time and I'll post a version here or use it for my personal play. Again, this game has been so much fun and I appreciate you creating this project.
 

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With regard to the Ronald game freeze bug: I can give you the number of promos I have,, but there's one issue--I've been playing the Challenge Hall over and over to get more promos. Currently I have 6x Unown J, 8x Entei LV60, 5x Shadow Lugia, and 6x Master Ball. I think I rematched and beat Ronald like 5-10 times before the game started crashing after I beat him.

The Grandmaster who plays Mail from Bill is either Courtney or Jack. Sorry I didn't have more info earlier--I had to go back in and fight and see which one caused the issue.

As for having only one copy of the Crystal Pokemon--I just challenged the Grandmasters again to test the above bug, I beat them, and attached I have some screenshots of the message I have been getting ever since I beat the Grandmasters for the first time: "There are no cards left for us to give you." I also attached a screenshot of my cards after I went through the credits and still only have one copy of each Crystal Pokemon.

As for the balancing, I totally understand. I will actually look into making those tweaks if I have the time and I'll post a version here or use it for my personal play. Again, this game has been so much fun and I appreciate you creating this project.

Update: The Ronald and Hall of Honor thing isn't a glitch- it turns out that there DOES exist a limit to how many cards the script for the Hall of Honor gives, and you've hit the limit. Because the Ronald code uses the same script as the Hall of Honor's, they share a pool of how many cards are able to be given to the player X/.

Working on it as we speak, also the shadow lugia glitch that Doesn't Know posted.
 
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I cannot path my gbc file. The sha stays the same (0F8670A583255CFF3E5B7CA71B5D7454D928FC48) before and after the patch. I included the patch log for you.
 

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I cannot path my gbc file. The sha stays the same (0F8670A583255CFF3E5B7CA71B5D7454D928FC48) before and after the patch. I included the patch log for you.

I just updated the files and can confirm that the patching works.

Speaking of which to everyone: V 1.32 is live. It contains mostly bug fixes and about 3 balance changes. I really hope that's all the bugs squashed this time, updated 4 different files of the game is time consuming TT.

The pret will be updated later, so check back in about a day or so for that.
 
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I think I've found a bug. I'm in the challenge cup, fighting a trainer with a Red Gyarados. He has one Fire and one Water mana attached, but is repeatedly using it's Rampage attack (should cost FWC).
 

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I think I've found a bug. I'm in the challenge cup, fighting a trainer with a Red Gyarados. He has one Fire and one Water mana attached, but is repeatedly using it's Rampage attack (should cost FWC).
Yeah that's a common "glitch". Basically the AI can't process 2 types of energy + colorless at once, so it ignores the colorless. The only way to fix it is to not do so in the first place. I'll change rhe energy cost when I can.
 
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Hello, I've been really enjoying your hack lately but I'm having a problem. So the man building a deck that you give multiple cards to in the Fighting Club keeps freezing the game. After giving him a Fortress and a Larvitar, his doesn't give any dialogue when talking to him and just freezes the game. Hope y'all can help.
 
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Also as a follow up, I think Gyarados displays the wrong requirements for Rampage because I fought John in the fire club and he only had one fire and one water energy but the card states it's one Fire, Water, and Colorless.Screenshot_20240317_152554_Pizza Boy Basic.jpg
 
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Hello, I've been really enjoying your hack lately but I'm having a problem. So the man building a deck that you give multiple cards to in the Fighting Club keeps freezing the game. After giving him a Fortress and a Larvitar, his doesn't give any dialogue when talking to him and just freezes the game. Hope y'all can help.
I'll fix this and the text glitch in another update.
 
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Hello, I ve recently found out about this hack and I would love to try it. However I do not own a PC and the files seems to not be readable on a Android emulator. Is it inte ded only for PC? If anyone could give me some tips I would love to know how to play it on Adroid(the emulators do no recognzie the files )
 
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Hello, I ve recently found out about this hack and I would love to try it. However I do not own a PC and the files seems to not be readable on a Android emulator. Is it inte ded only for PC? If anyone could give me some tips I would love to know how to play it on Adroid(the emulators do no recognzie the files )
Download a copy of Pokémon Trading Card Game and extract it with win.rar. do the same with TCG Neo. Then use unipatcher (or something like it) and you should be good to go.
 

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Thank you for your hard work in development. Could you please tell me how to apply the patch to the new version? It is very difficult to reinstall the new version of ROM every time.
 
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