I guess this means the only choice is to cancel the series altogether because in areas such as the US low ratings is serious business and is why you hear so many shows over there get cancelled and sometimes only after one or two seasons as a further slap in the face, and confirm XY as not just the final saga for Ash, but the anime as a whole. Next generation can launch a complete reboot with a brand-new protagonist to succeed Ash.
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I guess this means the only choice is to cancel the series altogether because in areas such as the US low ratings is serious business and is why you hear so many shows over there get cancelled and sometimes only after one or two seasons as a further slap in the face, and confirm XY as not just the final saga for Ash, but the anime as a whole. Next generation can launch a complete reboot with a brand-new protagonist to succeed Ash.
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Yeah. Pretty much the only question now is WHEN they'll cancel it. They can either put their affairs into order and try to wrap as much up as they possibly can, or they can go the same route that Woody's Roundup went in Toy Story 2, how Love Hina's Anime ended, or how Heroes ended (ie, it ended prematurely).
I won't even be surprised if Volcanion doesn't even get a movie because of it. Then again, they'll probably find some other means to distribute it (after all, the first three movies lacked Pokémon that were actually distributable to the games, even Mew wasn't exactly a Pokémon that was able to be distributed via the movie. And the closest we've got to a distribution method via the anime was with Celebi where the player can via mobile phones transfer the GS ball, and even that had zero to do with the films (in fact, ironically, it was one of the films that RUINED that particular distribution method since it was thanks to changing the time Celebi was to appear in Pokémon 4Ever that resulted in the infamous dropping of the GS ball in the Anime). We haven't even gotten an actual transferal of featured film Pokémon until the Jirachi movie (or maybe Pokémon Heroes, since the E-Reader Card for the Eon Ticket to catch the other Latis in each version came from Pokémon Heroes).
Honestly, IF they're going to do a reboot, they'd probably have to wait several years, like Heroes did with Heroes Reborn, or even how Land Before Time took eight years just to make a new movie. If anything, we're more likely going to have next generation be WITHOUT an accompanying Anime, and that's IF there's a new generation.
And please don't give me the whole "The anime was running ten years, so of course it would lose ratings" excuse. As Famon pointed out in various topics including this one, Doraemon and Detective Conan are at least the same age as the Pokémon Anime right now if not even older, yet they still get ratings comparable to at least Johto if not Kanto. If they could pull it off despite being old anime, Pokémon most certainly could as well.
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Reasons for Pokemon losing--
---Boring Humor ! Even if a episode has a funny story , It doesn't become as funny as it should be due to animation and Bad Comic timing .
---Unlike Ash , Keita (Yokai Watch) doesn't have any goal , mission or League to win ! So "Yokai watch" can work as a ''Slice of Life'' But people won't enjoy Pokemon as a ''Slice of life" until Ash wins a League.
--- No challenge or Obstacle!
--- Beating Gym-leader is no longer interesting after Ash beaten 46 Gym-leader.
---It haven't occur in Writers/Director's big fat head that Winning a Large Competition is far more challenging and interesting then beating a guy who owns a Gym or "Battle-Facility"
--- Team Rocket using the same Motto animation Over & over ! Their motto use to different in every episode during Original series.
--- Keeping Ash away from Megevolution.
--- Favoring all other character over Ash.
----Nobody likes an Underdog protagonist , People loves the Odd & obstacle that an Underdog Protagonist face and Overcome . There is no point of Ash being an Underdog if he doesn't face any odd & obstacle to overcome.
--- Boring Rival and Referring Character .
---Boring Character interaction where everyone use the Polite term of Speech to talk to one another.
--- Ash haven't faced any challenge or obstacle after DP ! Even Nobita (Doreamon) faces more odd and obstacle then Ash.
This could be the situation when 7th Gen comes around, having to advertise in a completely new way due to the lack of an accompanying anime saga, so instead we could see tons more anime-based game trailers like what we had with B2/W2 and OR/AS.
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I kind of hope they close the current series so that we could get closure on all of the characters that have left. They should at least have them reappear at the end of the series. I'm tired of every character who leaves never to be seen again. Gary Oak hasn't even appeared since the sinnoh region.
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As the anime moves forward, I am starting to hope that this is also the last saga unless they have 1 more with the same character similar to Johto. I would upset for them to force so much shipping and stuff and then get Serena to leave. Kalos has been the best saga for me and the group is amazing. However, I do hope there is a final saga or season about Everyone vs Team Rocket in which Rocket Trio become good guys.
I still would love to have a series based off the Manga.
However, I will say I don't think Youkai Watch will last. I tried to watch the anime and it is worst than Pokemon in story progression. I don't think it will be successful in the US and it is just annoying. But I did only watch the first 5 episodes or so, after that, I just couldn't stand it. Even though the opening was pretty catchy.
I still would love to have a series based off the Manga.
However, I will say I don't think Youkai Watch will last. I tried to watch the anime and it is worst than Pokemon in story progression. I don't think it will be successful in the US and it is just annoying. But I did only watch the first 5 episodes or so, after that, I just couldn't stand it. Even though the opening was pretty catchy.
http://themattress.tumblr.com/post/124787004574
This might be worth a read, since that post has come up with another theory behind the falling ratings. Apparently this one is blaming the failure of the BW movies, or that the anime is just not that popular compared to previously.
This might be worth a read, since that post has come up with another theory behind the falling ratings. Apparently this one is blaming the failure of the BW movies, or that the anime is just not that popular compared to previously.
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Pretty much, and I've been calling for the anime's end since at least DP, especially when the ratings were always in a decline even in Japan since AG.
And considering that the recent movie underperformed, did worse than last year's movie, we're most likely NOT going to get a Volcanion movie, at least not in theaters. At best, they're probably just going to do a DTV release, if it even gets made anyways. At this rate, the writers may HAVE to get through XY and have Ash win a league so they can end the show while it's still within their power to do so, also tie up loose ends as well. As far as Volcanion, they'll have to come up with some other method to distribute it other than a movie, since it's unlikely its movie will be made. Probably will be the first bonus Pokémon since Celebi to not actually be distributed in a movie owing to its release.
You know how many times people have said the reason why Ash never wins a league is because they claim the series will end if he wins it? Maybe Kalos is looking likely that he might finally win a league so they can wrap up his story for good.
Volcanion getting shafted is also going to be what'll be on the horizon if the movies have been performing so badly. It's the long-awaited first Fire/Water-type Pokemon yet it's not going to get much attention since they won't even bother with a movie for it.
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Personally, I never really bought that reason since that never stopped Ash from going to Johto after the Orange Islands, nor did it stop him from going to Sinnoh after beating the Battle Frontier. But yeah, I may have to agree with you there. Heck, we don't even have any information about Pokémon Z, yet, and given the rate we're going at, almost breezing through Kalos, we probably won't have a release before Ash fights the league, and if there isn't anything in the game worth expanding the series a bit more, they'll have to beat the Pokémon League in Kalos and fight the Elite 4.
And let's hope with Volcanion, they compensate for its lack of movie debut significantly.
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I wouldn't say the BW movies "flopped", in the context that person is thinking. Here's the box office totals for the three BW movies: *NOTE: All totals are Japanese domestic; the worldwide totals would raise the totals, but Japan domestically is mostly where it counts coming from a company in Japan.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies...=JP&wk=2011W29&id=_fGEKIJOUBANPOKKET01&p=.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies...=JP&wk=2012W29&id=_fGEKIJOUBANPOKKET02&p=.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/intl/?page=&wk=2013W36&id=_fGEKIJOUBANPOKKET03
The last one is slightly deceiving as it still ranked in the top 10 movies for Japan in 2013:
http://www.filmbiz.asia/news/the-wind-rises-tops-2013-japan-bo
Here's a comparison for some of the other films before:
Spoiler:
This is the one for the Diancie movie. Yes it's low, but likely not because the BW movies "failed".
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies...=JP&wk=2014W33&id=_fPOCKETMONSTERTHE01&p=.htm
The Hoopa movie just opened and it's at number 3 in Japan:
http://variety.com/2015/film/asia/japan-box-office-hero-opens-on-top-1201545447/
I can get down with the idea that the movies haven't been doing as well as they have in the past because the series is losing interest, which would also correlate with the anime itself losing ratings. But...it's probably not because the BW movies "failed", as it is implied on someone's tumblr.
Except we are getting a 2016 movie. There's a thread on these forums with some details.
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=352235
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We already are getting another movie that will come out in theaters in Japan in 2016. And you can't say the movies flopped, in fact, they have done well in Japan. Not to mention that the last few movies have done better than the Johto ones.
And we will probably get a 20th movie for Kalos in 2017 as the next generation probably will not start till late 2017.
I want the saga to end well yes. I don't mind if this is the last. But you keep making crap facts. When was the last time Yugioh was in the Top 10 for show? Yet they continue to make the anime. When was the last time Naruto was in the Top 10? Yet the continue to make the anime.
The facts that people continue to make about the show not being in the Top 10 is flawed. And you keep mentioning it when it means nothing at all.
The animes and movies may not come to the states, but I think they will be continued in Japan. I do hope the next saga is the last one though, Lucky Number 7. I also want Serena to continue with Ash along with the others.
I will say the 20th movie might be the last one though, not because of the bad ratings, but because it seems fit. I don't think they will stop at 19 movies. 2017 will almost be exactly 20 years since the first pokemon movie came out.
And we will probably get a 20th movie for Kalos in 2017 as the next generation probably will not start till late 2017.
I want the saga to end well yes. I don't mind if this is the last. But you keep making crap facts. When was the last time Yugioh was in the Top 10 for show? Yet they continue to make the anime. When was the last time Naruto was in the Top 10? Yet the continue to make the anime.
The facts that people continue to make about the show not being in the Top 10 is flawed. And you keep mentioning it when it means nothing at all.
The animes and movies may not come to the states, but I think they will be continued in Japan. I do hope the next saga is the last one though, Lucky Number 7. I also want Serena to continue with Ash along with the others.
I will say the 20th movie might be the last one though, not because of the bad ratings, but because it seems fit. I don't think they will stop at 19 movies. 2017 will almost be exactly 20 years since the first pokemon movie came out.
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I know that's confirmed, but I'm likely seeing that it could be the absolute last movie.
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And if you take a look here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_animated_films
Anime catagory, Pokemon Black and White the Movie and Pokemon Kyreum and The Swords of Justice are both in the Top 30. So it is not BW's Movies fault. As they did better than some of the older ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_animated_films
Anime catagory, Pokemon Black and White the Movie and Pokemon Kyreum and The Swords of Justice are both in the Top 30. So it is not BW's Movies fault. As they did better than some of the older ones.
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Dogasu would beg to differ about whether they flopped:
Source: http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/index.html
Source: http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/old_news_archive/january_2015.html
And keep in mind: Not even Pokémon Heroes, probably the closest Pokémon has to a major flop before that point, managed to get Mr. Sonoda fired, so it's pretty clear that the Diancie Movie had to be bad enough based on what Dogasu said that even Pokémon Heroes was a success compared to the Diancie movie.
And for the record, XY's movie box office sales and not being in the top ten aren't the only things hurting the series. There's also the bad ratings and the bad merchandising sales. Don't forget, Doraemon and Detective Conan lasted for about as long as Pokémon has, and they've got phenomenal ratings, within the decades, so age has absolutely nothing to do with it.
EDIT: Also, they may have advertised a movie in 2016, but that DOESN'T mean they actually will make it. Don't forget, Heroes advertised a new volume for the next season, only for it to be prematurely cancelled due to horrible ratings. Heck, the Super Mario Bros. movie all but stated in its ending that there would be a sequel, but it never got off the ground specifically because it was a box office disaster.
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It's too bad that the Hoopa film is flopping at the box office even after such a huge marketing campaign. I watched the last 20 minutes of it and I was less than impressed: The climax itself seemed so reductive, like it was copied from the Darkrai film. It seemed lazy to me.
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So The Movie flopped!
I predicted that when Goodra got dumped! But I had little hope when I read the Manga Summary.
Honestly , if the actual TV Series lose popularity then off course the Movie will be flopped.
The Actual TV Series need laughable Humor and actual "Actual Challenge'' ! Also Ash need to lose his limitation.
Most of XY Gag sucks .
Seriously , Doesn't any Pokemon script-writer knows the Clemont Gag would be funnier if there was someone to criticize Clemont invention.
May be, Kid like a scenario Where "Ash & Serena encourage Clemont but refuge to be his Test-Subject" Or "Ash & Others showing doubt and moving 10 feet away whenever Clemont shows his invention".
Also , There is no challenge !
Beating Gym-leader is no longer interesting because Ash beaten 46 gymleader ! Same goes with Frontier brain.
Truth is , Gym-Battle won't be interesting anymore even if Ash face a Gym-leader or Frontier Brain with a freaking Arceus.
May be , It haven't appear in Tomioka Atsuhiro head that Ash need to achieve far more then beating A guy who own a Gym or Battle Facility ! That winning a Major Competition like the ''League'' is more challenging then conquering a new Battle frontier.
Imagine , A Tournament ark like ''Battle City'' (Yugioh) where Ash win the whole Tournament and Save the world at the same time.
Imagine , A Final round of a Tournament where the entire stadium shake when Ash's mega Pokemon clash with his opponent's mega Pokemon.
Also , Ash need to lose his limitation.
Even Post-crisis Superman doesn't has as much as limitation as Ash does ! Except Post-crisis Superman deserve his limitation because of Pre-crisis Superman's limitless Power But OLM put limitation on Ash when his ability is already limited.
Just look at XY ,
Its Ash's job as the Main Protagonist to promote Megevolution yet Writer create Alan to do that because they think Megevolution is too OP for Ash
Hack , They kicked out Ash's Goodra even though they are planning to give Clemont Or Serena an extinct Pokemon like Tytrunt.
What does Director/Writer think ? They would be a ''Fair'' Director/Writer if they put all the limitation on Ash while other characters doesn't has to follow any limit ?
Here is a best away to hype everyone for the next movie--
--- 10 second PV of Ash activating his Mega Ring to megevolve a unknown/unseen Pokemon.
--- 2nd PV showing Ash staring on A beautiful girl standing on a roof to look at the Moon
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The movie's lackluster gross has nothing to do with Goodra. o_O The film simply wasn't that great judging from the 30 minutes that I watched.
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Considering the ratings are down despite changing up the formula by not giving Ash a Grass-type starter or all the starters, not to mention actually forcing in a love angle in this, or even giving Ash a Pseudo-Legendary, even temporarily, I strongly doubt that will help the ratings. I'm fully expecting the show to be cancelled in the near future. If Heroes ended up prematurely cancelled due to bad ratings, Pokémon can expect much of the same.
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