Red/Blue remakes on 3DS

[BettyNewbie]

My issue with Rhyperior losing the Ground type and being Giovanni's possible ace is that the Mega won't match Giovanni's type as he's a Ground Specialist not a Rock specialist (and if they go the pure Rock route they might as well give Brock Mega Rhyperior).

You realize that if this was a Yellow remake, he would have a Persian on his team, right?

I'm not overly strict about type specialists being strictly monotype, because otherwise, they'd be pretty boring and probably way weaker and easier than they should be. Yes, they should have mostly Pokémon of their type, but there's nothing wrong with them having other stuff when it fits them as characters.

(Would anyone seriously argue that Lance give up his Gyarados just because it's not a Dragon type? "Real" Dragon or not, Gyarados fits him way better than crap like Salamence and Garchomp, neither of which I ever want to see on his team again, IMO.)

Whether Ground/Rock, Ground, or Rock, Rhyperior is Giovanni's ace, and it fits him perfectly. Persian even fits him perfectly, despite not even being remotely connected to the Ground type. Besides, only its Mega wouldn't be Ground in this scenario.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I actually hope they remove his Persian and give Giovanni something that evolves from a ground type at least, like say Tyranitar xD.

Also, how are Salamence and Garchomp 'crap'? Tier wise they're higher than Gyarados last I checked, plus have better looking megas (not like that they're much better as the megas of those three are quite bad...Giant Shrimp with warts Gyarados, Ufo Salamence, and Rocker Garchomp...).

 

[Pendraflare]

You know, off topic to this discussion about Gym Leaders, but (and I already mentioned this in another thread but i'll post it here anyway) this was something I know happened with Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire so I guess it would be as good a time as any to contemplate it happening here, even though it might have been discussed earlier in the thread: the Hoenn remakes had NPCs stopping you and pointing you in the direction of the plot very often, much like Generation V and XY did. Given those, it's clear that Game Freak wants to make things as linear as possible, and since Kanto has been widely regarded as a not straightforward region at all, some people might get upset if they were to throw hints everywhere like ORAS did, particularly when the original games didn't.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

You know, off topic to this discussion about Gym Leaders, but (and I already mentioned this in another thread but i'll post it here anyway) this was something I know happened with Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire so I guess it would be as good a time as any to contemplate it happening here, even though it might have been discussed earlier in the thread: the Hoenn remakes had NPCs stopping you and pointing you in the direction of the plot very often, much like Generation V and XY did. Given those, it's clear that Game Freak wants to make things as linear as possible, and since Kanto has been widely regarded as a not straightforward region at all, some people might get upset if they were to throw hints everywhere like ORAS did, particularly when the original games didn't.

That got very annoying as one went on...so such a thing being added to Kanto re-remakes would make the Tv from FrLg look nice in comparison as one could skip the Tutorials...

 

[BettyNewbie]

I actually hope they remove his Persian and give Giovanni something that evolves from a ground type at least, like say Tyranitar xD.

No, they shouldn't. Giovanni is not Giovanni without his Persian, especially in a Yellow remake.

Also, how are Salamence and Garchomp 'crap'? Tier wise they're higher than Gyarados last I checked, plus have better looking megas (not like that they're much better as the megas of those three are quite bad...Giant Shrimp with warts Gyarados, Ufo Salamence, and Rocker Garchomp...).

I hate Salamence and Garchomp. They're both ugly, cheap, and generic. They ruined the Dragon Type, IMO. I'd much rather see Dragalge or Noivern on Lance's (rematch) team. Even Serperior would be a better fit, "real" Dragon or not.

 

[morrison]

urg dont remind me, that would be pretty horrible...

 

[morrison]

No, they shouldn't. Giovanni is not Giovanni without his Persian, especially in a Yellow remake.



I hate Salamence and Garchomp. They're both ugly, cheap, and generic. They ruined the Dragon Type, IMO. I'd much rather see Dragalge or Noivern on Lance's (rematch) team. Even Serperior would be a better fit, "real" Dragon or not.

I myself love salamence and garchomp. prefer them over dragonite anytime . Dragonite kinda looks like elliott.

 

[BettyNewbie]

I myself love salamence and garchomp. prefer them over dragonite anytime . Dragonite kinda looks like elliott.

I think Dragonite is adorable and beautiful, myself. Heck, that whole family is. Dragonite's softer appearance, as well as friendly, helpful disposition, makes it a far more interesting and unique Pokémon than some generic "badass" like Salamence, Garchomp, and Haxorus, IMO.

None of those "badass" Dragons give off a mythical air like Dragonite does, which was what the Dragon type was supposed to be about in the beginning. It was the original "fairytale" type, or so to speak. (Now, all Dragonite needs is a Dragon/Fairy Mega to seal the deal and make things come full circle.)

 

[morrison]

Hm I like dratini and dragonair but dragonite was never my type, Also how does a cool dragonair turn into a fat yellow green mini winged european style dragon. now if dragonair had an alternate evo into something like shenlongmon of digimon i would like it. ahem the names azulongmon of course.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Hey Dragonite is cute...
Speaking of Dragons who did win the best Dragon type contest anyways?

I'll like for Gf to remake Yellow but to throw most of the anime references aside to make it more like the other games which weren't as impacted as much by extra canon material (Anime,Mangas, etc.) Now that I think about it the Kanto games have the most extra canon stuff, such as FrLg being the first to take Silver being Giovanni's son be canon (first appeared in the GSC arc of Special/Adventures), and before that there is Yellow and it's relationship with the anime.

 

[BettyNewbie]

I'll like for Gf to remake Yellow but to throw most of the anime references aside to make it more like the other games which weren't as impacted as much by extra canon material (Anime,Mangas, etc.) Now that I think about it the Kanto games have the most extra canon stuff, such as FrLg being the first to take Silver being Giovanni's son be canon (first appeared in the GSC arc of Special/Adventures), and before that there is Yellow and it's relationship with the anime.

Yellow without the anime references is... Red and Blue. Which is exactly what we got in FRLG, and not for the better, IMO.

Out of all the Gens, Gen 1 is the simplest, backstory-wise, so it doesn't surprise me that it's borrowed the most things from other canons. Love them or hate them, both the anime and Adventures fleshed out Kanto far more than the games did.

Plus, at the time Yellow came out, the anime and games were VERY intertwined, marketing-wise. Promotional material for the games often depicted Pokémon with their anime art, and Red/Blue and Ash/Gary were often treated as one-in-the-same (the fact that Ash and Gary so strongly *link removed* Red and Blue's original *bulbagarden.net image removed* only helped this). The anime was, more or less, seen as an extension of the games rather than a separate universe.

This changed starting around Gen 3 and the end of Pokémania. Both Ash and Red got drastic redesigns that made them look more like separate characters, and Blue also got a drastic dye job that made him look a lot less like Gary. Many of the Gym Leaders and E4 Members also got redesigns in FRLG and (especially) HGSS that were drastic departures from their older designs (which most of the anime designs were based on... think Sabrina or the Johto Gym Leaders). It also became more common to see Pokémon depicted with game art instead of anime art (helped by the fact that Gen 3's game art was much *bulbagarden.net image removed* *bulbagarden.net image removed* than Gen 1 and 2's).

Of course, knowing this, that may lower the chances of Yellow being remade, but on the other hand, the early anime is still VERY nostalgic and iconic for a lot of older fans, so a brand new Yellow would be a real treat for many of them.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

^ On drastic changes between versions don't forget the latest remakes...Tabitha's difference between games make the Red's look identical in comparison (apperantly the Ultimate weapon has some relation to Tabitha being fat...and more character's having tans).

Actually Red's small change in FRLg then Sabrina's bigger change in HGSS then ORAS' more drastic departure should alarm fans for Kanto re-remakes (and Sinnoh remakes)...it's a pattern between remakes who know we may get a short or super tall James...and an older looking Giovanni or even a very sickly looking Giovanni...

So I heard this wacky rumor from a youtuber saying Yellow will be remade next year...but for the Wii U...wonder how that would work (there are equally wacky rumors about Gen VII and the Wii U too).

 

[BettyNewbie]

^ On drastic changes between versions don't forget the latest remakes...Tabitha's difference between games make the Red's look identical in comparison (apperantly the Ultimate weapon has some relation to Tabitha being fat...and more character's having tans).

Actually Red's small change in FRLg then Sabrina's bigger change in HGSS then ORAS' more drastic departure should alarm fans for Kanto re-remakes (and Sinnoh remakes)...it's a pattern between remakes who know we may get a short or super tall James...and an older looking Giovanni or even a very sickly looking Giovanni...

One thing I've noticed is that the characters who lacked full-body art in the original games tended to get the most drastic redesigns in remakes.

In FRLG, the Kanto Gym Leaders (and Lance, to a lesser extent) changed very little, while Lorelei, Bruno, and Agatha got drastic makeovers... Those three also happened to be the only NPCs who didn't have any official art in Gen 1 (outside of Stadium portraits, which depict drastically different designs than they had in FRLG; Lance, in comparison, is much more recognizable).

Even fewer characters had full-body art in GSC (for whatever reason), so HGSS brought more drastic redesigns. Eusine and Janine were among the few characters to have complete art in Gen 2, so their outfits saw few changes, while the likes of Pryce, Clair, and Karen (who had little to no official art in GSC) got major makeovers.

It's a similar case with ORAS. The Hoenn Gym Leaders and E4 all had complete artwork in RSE, so with a few exceptions, they all looked pretty similar in ORAS. The likes of Courtney, Tabitha, Matt, and Shelly, on the other hand, had zero artwork in RSE, so they all got huge makeovers.

After RSE, there aren't many characters left without official art, so I think we'll see fewer drastic redesigns in future remakes.

So I heard this wacky rumor from a youtuber saying Yellow will be remade next year...but for the Wii U...wonder how that would work (there are equally wacky rumors about Gen VII and the Wii U too).

Yeah, not gonna happen. Pokémon's going to remain a handheld game, no matter what. Now, remakes of console spin-offs like Snap, Stadium, and Colosseum/XD could possibly happen on the Wii U, but we have yet to see the first remake of a spin-off, so any of these happening is a long shot.

 

[Megan]

Tbh, I think gen 1 is beyond remake capabilities. There's just too much change that happened during all those generations transitions. What I'd rather like to see is a complete recreation of Kanto. Redesign all the routes, caves and towns, rebalance all the trainers, change all the encounters with wild Pokemon; nobody likes to see Rattata on every route, especially now where we have over 700 other Pokemon to choose from. Recreate the complete story so that you actually see how Team Rocket is doing what they do and add more content to show that they're actually taking actions instead of just being there, waiting to be beat up by a little kid, like in the original games.
Also add exploration elements that are actually explorative; now that there's basically no limit in memory capacities, it gives so many possiblities to hide secrets.

Also Mega Venomoth.

 

[BettyNewbie]

Tbh, I think gen 1 is beyond remake capabilities. There's just too much change that happened during all those generations transitions. What I'd rather like to see is a complete recreation of Kanto. Redesign all the routes, caves and towns, rebalance all the trainers, change all the encounters with wild Pokemon; nobody likes to see Rattata on every route, especially now where we have over 700 other Pokemon to choose from. Recreate the complete story so that you actually see how Team Rocket is doing what they do and add more content to show that they're actually taking actions instead of just being there, waiting to be beat up by a little kid, like in the original games.
Also add exploration elements that are actually explorative; now that there's basically no limit in memory capacities, it gives so many possiblities to hide secrets.

Also Mega Venomoth.

That's actually the kind of Gen 1 remake I'd love to see, something more like a full-scale reboot of the old games rather than a lazy copy/paste (like FRLG was). The same general story could be there, but greatly expanded upon and fleshed out, with a few things changed up and mixed around. Same goes for the region, itself.

And, a big YES to the larger Pokédex. Would it be that hard to, at least, give us all of Gen 2 and all of the later pre/evolutions?

 

[RandomDSdevel]

Tbh, I think gen 1 is beyond remake capabilities. There's just too much change that happened during all those generations transitions. What I'd rather like to see is a complete recreation of Kanto. Redesign all the routes, caves and towns, rebalance all the trainers, change all the encounters with wild Pokemon; nobody likes to see Rattata on every route, especially now where we have over 700 other Pokemon to choose from. Recreate the complete story so that you actually see how Team Rocket is doing what they do and add more content to show that they're actually taking actions instead of just being there, waiting to be beat up by a little kid, like in the original games.
Also add exploration elements that are actually explorative; now that there's basically no limit in memory capacities, it gives so many possiblities to hide secrets.

Also Mega Venomoth.

That's actually the kind of Gen 1 remake I'd love to see, something more like a full-scale reboot of the old games rather than a lazy copy/paste (like FRLG was). The same general story could be there, but greatly expanded upon and fleshed out, with a few things changed up and mixed around. Same goes for the region, itself.

And, a big YES to the larger Pokédex. Would it be that hard to, at least, give us all of Gen 2 and all of the later pre/evolutions?

Maybe GameFreak could include some of the anime-exclusive locations in an expanded Kanto? I'd particularly like to see Bill's Lighthouse, but I bet there might be other locations from the anime that could be added to the games.

 

[TheSonicMaster662]

I think they should do Kanto Remakes Because Pokemon's 20th Anniversary is coming up so it would kinda make sense if they did.

 

[Scotash!]

Sign me up for that now! Yes!


I'd kill for Kanto remakes in the current format. Imagine what they could do with it, Cerulan Cave, Rocket Headquarters etc...

 

[BettyNewbie]

Maybe GameFreak could include some of the anime-exclusive locations in an expanded Kanto? I'd particularly like to see Bill's Lighthouse, but I bet there might be other locations from the anime that could be added to the games.

Oh, I'd love that, especially if it's a Yellow remake. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the routes and cities themselves expanded and made over to resemble their anime counterparts more. It'd still be the games' story (you'd still have Red and Blue instead of Ash and Gary, and so on), just with a few more features and shout-outs "borrowed" from the anime.

 

[bobandbill]

It would have to be a yellow remake, and even then I'd be sceptical, just because ever since Yellow Game Freak have steered clear of the anime (remember, the anime is based on the games rather than the other way around). Prime case is FRLG where instead of the Orange Islands Game Freak made up their own Sevii Islands.