4th Gen Shinto Ruins Discussion

[yaminokame]

And, regardless of the reason for naming it "Shinto Ruins", the word is still shinto, so they'll likely change it. The only decent substitute I see right now is actually naming it "Way of the Gods", or Origin Hall, etc., because the Game Freaks seem to like things with origin in them nowadays.

That doesn't even make sense... why on earth would they EVER change it from Shinto to "Way of the Gods" though this is just your idea of "what it could be," it would cause a hell-of-a-lot more problems than leaving it as Shinto... Sure, they may change it, but you don't know that yet, and what good is there in making up crap that they obviously aren't going to do... As I said earlier, (though I believe it was a different thread) Pokemon has already suffered enough on the religious front from the very beginning, they would NEVER do something that stupid... you're just going to have to face it, until the games come out in English, people are going to call it by the name it was given already, which is Shinto Ruins. When the English versions come out, everyone may revert over to the other, but for now, it's Shinto Ruins.

 

[Artemis]

Shinto Ruins is the name given to it for now and that is why a major percentage of the fans are calling it so. However, if the name is altered in anyway, then we'd just have to wait to find out what that may be as it seems like a solid case at the moment. Though, when it is released in the English version, I wouldn't expect the name to stay as Shinto Ruins neither would I expect it to be changed to continue as "Way of the Gods," because that alone will cause controversy for the franchise. Now, I realized Hiroshi commented on the religion Catholic beings the major religion, it isn't. Christianity would fall under that place, and it is this basic group that might take offence us the use of such a thing, especially if it distributed to a younger age group. So, the name may be altered to something else for the English Version, however the Japanese release may keep the Shinto Ruins the same as we speak of it now, because it hasn't caused any problems thus for for the country. However, we'll see how things play out.

As far as the Pokémon League, it was situated at a location here, but with the new ruins because the Arceus event, I might expect something to be altered. I wouldn't say it is impossible, because it can very well happen for the game. If GameFreak sees a fitting position for the new area and makes it piece together well, then they might go for it. Nothing would major in the change besides a different area to travel to for the league. However, if the Shinto Ruins are located at the pin point top of Mt. Silver, then they can simply enlargen the area and keep the League not to far from its original spot or keep it the same as was before. It really depends on the situation how things play out really, and not to mention an addition to the map [if kanto is kept] is still needed to conclude the rest of most theories given.

 

[billi1000]

Nintendo defenitely knew what they were down when they covered up certain pieces of the map with clouds. This is the only thing that make what is on mount silver unclear . It is either the league or could be something entirely different. Shinto is simply a temporary name in my opponion , the same happened with many DDPt names before these games were released and the name will by all means change once these games hit America.

 

[Kyledove]

You have to keep in mind that although all routes are shown on the maps, they don't add mountain routes. If you look at the sinnoh map with mount coronet, it never shows any routes on top of it, whilst in reality it had a whole bunch.

The same can be said for mount silver, just cos theres no routes drawn in the map (or things covered up with clouds) doesn't mean theres not more there...Mount silver is a pretty big place so you can be sure there's more to it than what's hidden (or not) under the clouds...

 

[billi1000]

there are several routes that dont appear on the map in addition to the ones not only on mount silver, but that might be on other obstacles as weel, and not to meansion the indoor routes and the way they may be expanded, we dont really know wat to expect as the clouds also cover up important spots on the map, and how about the yellow meadow behind the tin tower, i dont think that was just put there for no reason, so i expect huge route additions, and much more paths inside and outside mount silver, mnt silver is going to be like coronet from the inside and outside i guess , full of routes were u need rock climb and strength and other HMs to make your way to the top...

 

[RockmanEXE]

Sinntoh Ruins would be an appropriate North Amercian name.

Since it's in the Johto region, and Arceus, Giratina, Dialga, and Palkia all originated from Sinnoh.

 

[Artemis]

there are several routes that dont appear on the map in addition to the ones not only on mount silver, but that might be on other obstacles as weel, and not to meansion the indoor routes and the way they may be expanded, we dont really know wat to expect as the clouds also cover up important spots on the map, and how about the yellow meadow behind the tin tower, i dont think that was just put there for no reason, so i expect huge route additions, and much more paths inside and outside mount silver, mnt silver is going to be like coronet from the inside and outside i guess , full of routes were u need rock climb and strength and other HMs to make your way to the top...

There will be a lot of new twists and turns within the heavy covered areas. Mt. Silver alone will have many differences compared to the older version of it that we traveled in once. So, it will be something new, however it wouldn't change the fact that it is the same location as it was before. The same thing applied for the Pokémon League situated within the lower situation of Mt. Silver. I do agree though, if the Shinto Ruins are fixed up upon Mt. Silver, then there will be more levels to explore and the HMs will indeed be needed. This is why it is something like Mt. Coronet and connects the relation between the two.

However, the area on the map that is shuddered in orange air. That is only a reflection to represent the trees by Ecruteak City. It isn't nothing more than that as many have speculated and said before. The town is known for its orange look because of the trees that gives off the color, so adding this into the map's art only makes sense to do so.

 

[Åzurε]

That doesn't even make sense... why on earth would they EVER change it from Shinto to "Way of the Gods" though this is just your idea of "what it could be," it would cause a hell-of-a-lot more problems than leaving it as Shinto... Sure, they may change it, but you don't know that yet, and what good is there in making up crap that they obviously aren't going to do... As I said earlier, (though I believe it was a different thread) Pokemon has already suffered enough on the religious front from the very beginning, they would NEVER do something that stupid... you're just going to have to face it, until the games come out in English, people are going to call it by the name it was given already, which is Shinto Ruins. When the English versions come out, everyone may revert over to the other, but for now, it's Shinto Ruins.

*sigh* Ok. Yamino, I get that it'll stay Shinto Ruins till translation (I don't need to "just have to face it" ;)), but I was saying there's still decent alternatives, and I don't really see any controversy with calling it "Way of the Gods" anyway. Hell, SquEnix, The dudes doing scribblenauts, and others got away with far more of this "religious" content. It far exceeds Pokemon in controversy. I'm also aware the word pronounced Shinto here is a character off. Don't call it crap, Way of the Gods just sounds cool to me.

Simmer down, mkay?

 

[yaminokame]

*sigh* Ok. Yamino, I get that it'll stay Shinto Ruins till translation (I don't need to "just have to face it" ;)), but I was saying there's still decent alternatives, and I don't really see any controversy with calling it "Way of the Gods" anyway. Hell, SquEnix, The dudes doing scribblenauts, and others got away with far more of this "religious" content. It far exceeds Pokemon in controversy. I'm also aware the word pronounced Shinto here is a character off. Don't call it crap, Way of the Gods just sounds cool to me.

Simmer down, mkay?

You're the one b*tching about it, and to be honest, it's annoying. If Square Enix thinks that they can take the heat, then good for them. Pokemon went as far as to change the coloring for Jynx just because people thought it was too black. They get crap for a lot of things, and they actually do try to get away from it by trying to appeal to the different wants. Going around and saying stuff like "Who wants to know the translated name for the area? Surely they won't leave it as Shinto Ruins..." is quite annoying. That's nice if you think that, but do you really need to express that opinion? Everyone here is fully aware that the name will change once the English versions come out... If you are going to speculate on the English translation, then do so, but you can't talk for the rest of us, so cut out crap like saying "who cares" because you have no voice for the rest of us.

 

[SDODC13]

Though I'm not sure if this event is very befitting for Hg/Ss.... Maybe once we know more about it aka actual translations, it will make more sense to me. Again I know the unown and all but there were unown in solaceon too right?

 

[viemortevolroc]

maybe theres a snow storm in johto when u visit the place,do any of yall think bout weather anomalies? or pracipitation? (yay i used a big word XD lol)
who knows,but its DEFINITELY NOT in mount silver,it may have snow but its not the ruins type cuz if it was theyd hav had it way back in g/s/c and the anime.
then again i could be wrong,maybe itll be like the southern island,navel rock,and that one island whos name i forget that has mew lol
id like that whole ticket thing again but instead of nintendo events,just in-game events or make nintendo events happen more than once

 

[Artemis]

maybe theres a snow storm in johto when u visit the place,do any of yall think bout weather anomalies? or pracipitation? (yay i used a big word XD lol)
who knows,but its DEFINITELY NOT in mount silver,it may have snow but its not the ruins type cuz if it was theyd hav had it way back in g/s/c and the anime.
then again i could be wrong,maybe itll be like the southern island,navel rock,and that one island whos name i forget that has mew lol
id like that whole ticket thing again but instead of nintendo events,just in-game events or make nintendo events happen more than once

The word is precipitation by the way, with an 'e.' ^_^

However, the location of the ruins can very well be placed ontop of Mt. Silver as it gives a good relation to the tip of Mt. Coronet as so many have speculated on. Not to mention, the ice cap and the area of snow gives this idea away pretty clearly, because on the map for now, it is basically the only area shown with much snow. And, just because the ruins weren't there in the original GSC it wouldn't mean they cannot make any alternations to the remakes, because they can.

The extra memory and added storyline with these events make it fit in place. It'll also give the players extra area to travel in Mt. Silver than what was provided before. The new areas back this theory up as well, because just as they added in these and the Sevii Islands in FRLG they can extend the area of Mt. Silver once this event is activated within the game.

By the way, the games [besides Yellow] never really follow the anime, so even if it wasn't provided there, it can still be brought to the games. Not to forget, in the anime they may make a return to Kanto and these changes can be applied afterwards as well, just as it was done in the Battle Frontier arc of Kanto.

 

[billi1000]

I really don't think a weather condition will change the tiles on any map in the game as mostly many weather conditions are limited to a certain area like in DPPt, the town which had the marsh ( I no I'm bad at remembering) u can see puddles on the ground due to the raining so if there's snow on the ruins , it ll definitely be snowing full time there , and for the Shintoism I edited the first post giving an explanation that Hiroshi Sotomura pointed out why the name of the ruins is not derived from Shintoism to avoid relating the name to religion.

 

[>Feelings<]

Last I checked, what was America's most followed religion? Catholicism? Given that so many names are changed by Nintendo of America, or realistically, "Americanised", do you honestly think if this had any relation to religion, that they wouldn't change the name?

I know that. That's why I said that it is most likely that it will be renamed if it actually turns out to have any relation to the religion itself. All I said was that, even if they'd surely remove it then, I'd still want the name to remain the same as my opinion. Read before you post.

I would just like to point this out there. It is a wrong assumption from the start to assume that a Japanese person would single out the religion Shinto when coming up with a name.There really isn't enough evidence to support that Shinto(u) 【神道】 solely equals to Shinto 【シント】 :P

First of all, you can't stop anyone from assuming anything. We're not saying we're sure about the matter.
Second, yes, I saw that potential mistake, but I only said that the name "Shinto" was taken, not a reference to the religion itself.

All these posts are still under the broken assumption that "Shintoism" is involved. I have to say, this is one silly direction the fanbase is taking; such a shame.

I don't remember anyone directly saying that Shintoism is "involved".
Well, for my part what I meant is only the name was taken from the religion - to mean the words "Way of the Gods", not that it is emphasizing on the religion itself.

 

[billi1000]

I dont think a game can be used to synthesize on a religion because, first, that religious group will open a war with the producer of the game, second, i dont think any previous pokemon game had anything that related to religion, so why to do it now, besides, there are many names you can come up with that can be close to religious names u wat i think, i think that Shinto is like a combination name for Johto and Sinnoh like Hiroshi stated earlier because it makes perfect sense when you look at the similarities between the Shinto ruins which are situated in Johto, and the Sinnoh story background, we can also note the relations between mnt coronet and mnt Silver, so this name shouldnt cause any fan reaction concerning its relation to religion (because it ISNT), and i say it again, i edited the first post with the explanation given by Hiroshi Sotomura whay the name of the ruins is not related to Shitoism to avoid religion clashing here.

 

[Jweeson]

Rumor has it...

I did hear a rumor that in Soul Silver you would be able to catch Groudon, and in Heart Gold you would be able to catch Kyogre. Maybe it's a way to get to them?

 

[billi1000]

no it most probably isnt since that doesnt concern an event, it seems they will be available at a certain point of the game, probably sometime after obtaining the national dex, so dont worry about that, u can get them with out obtaining the event arceus.

 

[yaminokame]

I know that. That's why I said that it is most likely that it will be renamed if it actually turns out to have any relation to the religion itself. All I said was that, even if they'd surely remove it then, I'd still want the name to remain the same as my opinion. Read before you post.




First of all, you can't stop anyone from assuming anything. We're not saying we're sure about the matter.
Second, yes, I saw that potential mistake, but I only said that the name "Shinto" was taken, not a reference to the religion itself.




I don't remember anyone directly saying that Shintoism is "involved".
Well, for my part what I meant is only the name was taken from the religion - to mean the words "Way of the Gods", not that it is emphasizing on the religion itself.

I was not talking directly to you. I was stating something in general and happened to quote what you had said. Where did I say stop assuming things? I stated that that particular assumption was wrong... of course people are going to make wrong assumptions, that doesn't mean that they can't change them... Many people all over (including different forums) have said that Shintoism is directly involved (going as far to say it is the ONLY relation to the name)and I was talking to everyone at the same time. None of that was intended to be directed solely at you, I'm sorry that it sounded that way. :(

 

[Artemis]

Okay, I honestly think everyone is starting to think too hard on this situation. GameFreak wouldn't be able to withstand an outbreak from the fans concerning religious beliefs nor religious location. So, as much as it may mean something, it may not directly refer to it as such. So, some have speculated on the name and some have speculated on the meaning. However, as said, it is a little sad to see everyone narrow down such thoughts and go directly to the thought of religion rather than the name itself and not what it particularly means. If the ruins are situated upon the top of Mt. Silver, then that leads a connection to Sinnoh's Mt. Coronet giving the two locations a relation with Arceus. So, seeing as this is Johto and there is Sinnoh references, then simply put the two together and you reach the point of Shinto [Sinnoh and Johto placed together]. GameFreak didn't necessarily have to bring the name into to refer to the religion Shintoism, but just share the connection of the two regions. So, before making assumptions, refer to the different outcomes and facts to it before leading to only one thought and then place what you think. However, thinking straight to a religion wouldn't be the only meaning of it as there are other possibilities too [which I have stated here].

 

[Åzurε]

-_- IMO, this is old news, and I'm surprised you're still talking about it. Surely, with information concerning a new area, involving Arceus of all things, we can find something to discuss that's not the pronunciation of the name. One comment, and I feel like I'm on the verge of a flame war. No one getting on my back for "you posted it in the 1st place", etc., please. I get it. Thank you. We're all rational people. though I still don't see the problem with calling it Shinto...

I know I'll sound a bit like I'm flipping out, But for those of you who read it that way, I'm not. Just a bit disappointed that one comment made his happen, and that one commenter was me.
Please to be getting on with topic?