Shoddy Team- Revised and Remade

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Shoddy Team- Tyranitar's Rage

Tyranitar's Rage​

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Adamant
Poison Heal
44 HP/214 Att/252 Spe
Substitute
Focus Punch
Seed Bomb
Spore​

Breloom makes the only decent lead for my team. Most would expect the Anti-Lead, only to have their counter Spore'd and giving me a single free Sub. Poison Heal and Toxic Orb make a mean combo.​

Gliscor@ Leftovers
Impish
Sand Veil
252 Att, 252 Spe, 6 HP
Aerial Ace
Earthquake
Taunt
Roost​

This thing is used to shut down things like Blissey and Skarm (though the former can carry Ice Beam) It also negates Heracross and Lucario, two things my team really, REALLY hate.​

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Adamant
Sandstream
252 HP/252 Att/6 SpD
Stone Edge
Crunch
Earthquake
Focus Punch​

CBTar comes back to offer my team a freakishly powerful monster. Stone Edge and Crunch make reliable STABs, while Earthquake let me hammer things that resist both of the above. Focus Punch is there mostly to hit things on the switch.​

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm
Natural Cure
80 SpA, 252 Def, 176 Sp Def
Softboiled
Toxic
Seismic Toss
Ice Beam​

Queen of Special walling comes back for another go. I went with Calm this time because I'm subjected to Peer Pressure.​

Kingdra @ Leftovers
Timid
Pressure
252 HP/184 SpA/72 Spe
Rest
Sleep Talk
HP Electric
Surf​

wut? Yep, Kingdra is actually the tank and main counter for Gyarados and Infernape on my team (since they get run over by it pretty hard) This thing is a monster of a physical tank, taking about 42% from LO Nape's Close Combat.​

Regirock @ Leftovers
Careful
Clear
252 HP, 252 SpD, 6 Att
Curse
Rest
Stone Edge
Earthquake​

Regirock comes in to give me a sort of "mixed wall" It has ridiculously beastly defense, and Tyranitar gives it some extremely helpful Special Defense.​

Changes
*Changed Azelf for Blissey
*Changed Infernape for Lucario
*Changed Tyraniboah to DDtar
*Changed Hippowdon for Deoxys-e
*Changed Lucario for Infernape
*Changed Deoxys-e for Starmie
*Changed DDTar to CBTar, leading with CBTar
*Changed Infernape to Lucario (again)
*Changed Cresselia for Gliscor
*Changed Skarmory (<3333) for Gardevoir
*Changed Starmie for Vaporeon
*Changed Gardevoir for Metagross
*Changed Metagross for Heatran
*Changed Vaporeon for Tentacruel
*Changed Lucario for Machamp
*Changed Tentacruel for Zapdos, leading with Zapdos
*Changed CBTar to DDTar
*Changed Zapdos to Bronzong
*Changed Bronzong to Swampert
*Changed Swampert to Suicune, leading with Gliscor
*Changed Bold Blissey to Calm Blissey
*Changed DDTar to Scarftar, leading with Scarftar
*Changed Scarfed Heatran to Alakazam
*Changed Alakazam to Porygon-Z
*Changed Porygon-Z to SpecsPoreon
*Changed Scarftar to DDTar, leading with Gliscor
*Changed Machamp to Heracross
*Changed Heracross to Gallade
*Changed Gallade to Medicham
*Changed Medicham to Mismagius
*Changed Vaporeon to Celebi
*Changed Celebi for Cresselia
*Changed Cresselia for Lucario
*Changed Mismagius for Deoxys-e
*Changed Suicune (<333333333333333333333333333333) for Regirock
*Changed Lucario for Breloom, leading with Breloom
*Changed Deoxys-e for Azelf
*Changed Azelf for Kingdra

Considering​

Dugtrio and Mamoswine counter​

Dugtrio, Garchomp, and Mamoswine counter​

 

[Anti]

I simple can't stand this font...anyways...

I'd get a special wall...Cresselia is mixed and is best used for countering dragons, MixApe and such.

You could run Blissey or some other generic pokemon like that if you wish. I'd probably run it over Azelf, since it isn't really helping against Weavile all that much. But I will say that Azelf's nickname is epic. Simply epic.

As for weaknesses, Yanmega and friends aren't really pals. Skarmory actually resists its attacks, but I wouldn't place bets on it winning, especially with the possibility of Hypnosis or Tinted Lens. Opposing Tyraniboah ironically give you lots of trouble. Skarmory can kind of wall Ice Beam Boah, but not really.

While you aren't weak to Dugtrio, a Jolly version can kill your only means of beating blissey and more importantly, Curse Snorlax.

Also, all of your sweeeprs require set-up to do any real damage, so you lack anyhting that can instantly kill stuff.

It isn't a bad team though.

 

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Thanks for the critique!

I noticed the set up thing too, but Infernape can KO things without a SD anyway. The only reason I keep it is because with 1-2 SD, it can clobber practically anything.

So far, SkarmCress has been working wonderfully, as has Azelf, so I'll battle a little more until I decide if getting a Special wall is a necessity.

Unless Tyraniboah gets a Sub off, Skarmory can Toxic stall it pretty easily. I've taken out threats like Hippowdon/Mamo with Toxic. But I do believe unless Tyraniboah gets sub off, Skarm can stall it with BB/Roost/Toxic (if it packs a flamethrower I'm screwed though)

And as for the Azelf name, I got the name from you :D I now see the light that Gengar is nothing compared to the Elf.

 

[Anti]

I'd rather use faildisc over Gengar since they both do nothing, only you get serious props for using something us terrible as faildisc =D

Also, Skarmory can't get past Tar's sub. Tar is faster too, so it can practically switch in on Skarmory (besides Toxic) and lay down a hurting.

On the physical walling side, your team is strong. On the special walling side, it isn't though. I really would replace one of your sweepers for a defensively-stable team. Honestly, I'd get rid of boah. Defensively, it isn't doing anything for you and offensively, it just isn't necessary (besides for maybe Cresselia, but meh).

Overall I'd still say it's solid. I think our battle proved you also might wanna watch out for NP Togekiss. Toxic Blissey would help in that regard.

 

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I'm liking the Boah really. Azelf isn't really doing much for me.

Would a Toxic Blissey or Twave Blissey do well over Azelf?

 

[Anti]

Either one works, but Toxic Blissey does a lot better against Togekiss.

 

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I'll try Toxic Blissey. Never used it, but I was getting tired of grounds coming into stop my T-wave.

 

[BeachBoy]

Okay, so now you two walls (SkarmBliss) with toxic, is that really necessary? I mean, I'd try Stealth Rock over Toxic on Skarmory, SR does a nice hit into Gyarados which, in our battle, caused you some problems. Try SR out in my opinion.

 

[Anti]

On that note, Gyarados is going to melt you if you don't put Charge Beam on Cresselia. I'd take off Psychic since Azelf counters Mixape...kinda. You could abandon sleep Talk and run Aromatherapy Blissey.

 

[BeachBoy]

I agree with charge beam in there as well.

My Gyarados and Suicune were a pretty big tole on your team, you only got to Suicune with Azelf and now that that's gone. Well, Calmcune just has another pocket monster to set up a sub to avoid toxic get some in couple calm minds and do some pretty big damage. So I think something in there to take care of those guys...

 

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I was thinking on Charge Beam, but didn't know if it was more useful than Psychic. The Sp Att boost is very appealing.

As for Sleep Talk, I want to keep Ice Beam/Seismic Toss so I can hit everything in the game. Seismic Toss just means Failgar will wall me like crazy.

 

[Aquilae]

First off, CBHeracross would give you a huge problem, 4/6ths of your team is OHKOed by it, the rest are 2HKOed.
SDLuke with Crunch 6-0es this whole team.

No solid offense means no way of taking down defensive statuppers, CroCune is one of notable mention. With all these Bulky Waters are going to be switching in every time and sponging every hit you deal.
Not to mention most of the common Spikers can come in on everything sans Infernape and setup. You are going to be beaten down horribly by pure stall, and nothing to protect against it other than Toxic on Blissey.

There are also ample opportunities for Metagross and Tyranitar to come in on Cresselia or Blissey and Pursuit to death. Without Reflect Cress doesn't stand a chance against these physical powerhouses.

What you should do is replace Hippowdon, its role is more or less covered by Skarmory. Put another sweeper over it, a Gliscor/BulkySalamence should fit the spot.

Get rid of Boah. Its too slow to attack effectively and it is walled indefinitely by Bulky Waters, the bane to this team. Replace it with CBTyranitar.

I would put another statup sweeper over Infernape, as Infernape can't pull off a sweep due to its fraility, and can't switchin effectively. Lucario would have a place here, serving as a great switchin to Tyranitar.

 

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I'm really liking Boah honestly. CBTar is okay, but the one move is kind of a problem since Tar can't switch into much due to many weaknesses. Still, Lucario being able to switch into Tar's counters is helpful (minus fighting, which is why SkarmCress is there) I'd use DDTar but it takes a while to set up and I want hard, powerful forces at the beginning.

I'm really debating over CBTar or Boah...It's a tough choice to make.

I'm thinking on getting rid of Hippowdon for Azelf again. Grass Knot is damn helpful against so many bulky waters (even Gyarados cries)

I replace Nape with Lucario, it's amazing with its physical moveset.

 

[Aquilae]

On the contrary, Boah has more trouble than CBtar switching into stuff as it can't directly threaten them.

Tyranitar can switch in into TB/HP Ice users and pose an immediate threat, forcing a switch. The 50% SpD boost from Sandstorm allows Tyranitar to take threatening special attackers.

Boah does not pack enough power and it is not clear what you would want to use it for. 95 base SpA is quite low, the reason Boah is used is to eliminate physical and special walls, Blissey, Gliscor and friends.
Boah is also slow as molasses, in stark contrast to CBtar being able to outrun Skarm, Cress with required EV investment. Boah only strives to barely outrun Blissey.

CBtar is clearly superior as it possesses the ability to 1-2HKO its counters, Gliscor is OHKOed by critical Stone Edge (12.5% chance), Skarm is 2HKOed by Stone Edge - CBtar can outrun it, the list goes on.

 

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At the moment, I'm using DDtar. It's won me 3 matches in a row (which isn't much)

If it starts to disappoint me, I'll switch to CB.

 

[Anti]

At the moment, I'm using DDtar. It's won me 3 matches in a row (which isn't much)

If it starts to disappoint me, I'll switch to CB.

I wouldn't be so quick to pull the trigger on things. Pokemon aren't going to do well every battle. I've had streaks of matches where Mamoswine has done nothing for me, and taking it out results in losses. My point being, stay with things. If it really fits the team, it should do fine.

 

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I realize that, which is why I said "which isn't much" And by disappoint me, I mean do absolutely nothing in practically every battle, or feel like it doesn't belong on the team.

Mamoswine doing nothing? O___O Isn't that like...An oxymoron?

CBtar will be tested after a while, then I will make my decision.

 

[Archer]

Anti's right. Something can seem to be doing nothing, but is really backing up your team. Or you have a run of not seeing anything it counters and then things change.

What concerns me, is the inbalance the team seems to have. It does fine defensively but you really have trouble hitting the special side of the spectrum. You have, what? 3 Special Attacks on the whole team, 2 of which are duplicates. Gliscor Walls both Physical Attackers, and scores a SE, STABed EQ on both.

 

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I'm considering switching Hippowdon for Deoxys-e. I had an Azelf but I replaced it for Blissey.

The Special attack weakness was eating me up inside today, I'll go for Deoxys-e over Azelf since it can lead pretty nicely.

 

[tylerowicz]

hey im looking for a deoxys to
are the ones from japan (the one that can only be hasty and something else)
have set ivs??
or can i look for someone who soft reset?