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Should marijuana be legalized?

ThatKidMike said:
I was using sarcasm, she was implying that mass production of weed would make it cheap. Which obviously is far from the truth.
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Now, I think it should have been obvious that I was aware that you were using sarcasm. I was responding to the actual message you were trying to convey, "Cigarettes aren't cheap." And what I was trying to say is that you can't really use tobacco as an example for anything.
 
Constantinople said:
Now, I think it should have been obvious that I was aware that you were using sarcasm. I was responding to the actual message you were trying to convey, "Cigarettes aren't cheap." And what I was trying to say is that you can't really use tobacco as an example for anything.
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You're kidding yourself if you believe that the government won't do everything it can to have ridiculous prices on weed. I can use tobacco as an example in this sense, simply because tobacco is ridiculously cheap to procure, yet sold at obscene prices.
 
Mass production makes everything cheaper at its base prices. I'm not accounting for taxes in the prices because states might decide to not have a tax rate for it other than a sales tax, if they have one. This isn't to say that governments will opt not to tax weed, though, if it were legalized.

Nicktacular said:
Mass production doesn't make things cheaper, i think you're confusing that and the scarcity effect. weed is not scarce already, so......yeah.

so i guess kids and teens don't smoke or drink because store owners don't sell to kids

you should have read my post on the gateway effect and the second paragraph of the post you're quoting
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Weed is actually relatively scarce in this country because cartels have to go to great lengths to smuggle it into the country. If it were grown widely Stateside, it would reduce its scarcity here and make it more readily able to be mass produced.

And, if kids are gonna drink/smoke, they're gonna find a way to do it, whether it's legalized for adults or not. They'll just end up going to their older friends who will buy it for them. With it legalized, it'll actually be easier to track down minors who smoke marjiuana, since they won't be buying from people supplied by cartels.
 
goverment should legalize it. like everyones been saying, the goverment could tax it beyond belief and make a lot of money off it.
 
Ok weed is grown stateside, and it is easy to smuggle in, but it isn't generally smuggled in anyway.

also why would it be easier to track down kids who do it illegally if it were legal? Also read my post on the gateway effect.

Ok im just going to say it. WEED CAN BE GROWN. so.........yeah it won't really help the Economy/government debt
 
ThatKidMike said:
You're kidding yourself if you believe that the government won't do everything it can to have ridiculous prices on weed. I can use tobacco as an example in this sense, simply because tobacco is ridiculously cheap to procure, yet sold at obscene prices.
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Unless they start lacing weed with nicotine, I honestly do not see anywhere near the crooked partnership the government has with the major tobacco companies.
 
Nicktacular said:
so i guess kids and teens don't smoke or drink because store owners don't sell to kids
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It's usually the fault of irresponsible adults. Granted there are some store owners that do sell stuff like those to minors, but that is a minority.
you should have read my post on the gateway effect and the second paragraph of the post you're quoting
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I think Twocows explained that pretty well. It seems more like a slippery slope than a gateway effect, to be honest.
ThatKidMike said:
SMH. Theres a reason why drug use is lower in the Netherlands, and its not because of the legality of cannabis.

Its the Netherlands.
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That doesn't make sense. I'd think a place so popular for having cannabis would have higher rates of marijuana use than America, but it doesn't.


Riiiight, and cigarettes are cheap.
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That doesn't make sense either. It's only logical to assume that something scarce would be more expensive.
 
donavannj said:
And, if kids are gonna drink/smoke, they're gonna find a way to do it, whether it's legalized for adults or not. They'll just end up going to their older friends who will buy it for them. With it legalized, it'll actually be easier to track down minors who smoke marjiuana, since they won't be buying from people supplied by cartels.
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Mmmhmm, and its very easy to track kids who drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes, mirite? Not to mention it'll barely be enforced, and probably be treated as alcohol and cigarettes are treated by officers among minors, that is, in a very lenient manner. They won't go tracking kids down and going Private Investigator mode using the stores as a tool.

donavannj said:
Weed is actually relatively scarce in this country because cartels have to go to great lengths to smuggle it into the country. If it were grown widely Stateside, it would reduce its scarcity here and make it more readily able to be mass produced.
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Weed is scarce...In the United States? Haha. Both Oregon and Norcal grow ridiculous amounts of weed, fact is, huge amounts ARE grown stateside, and it is very widely available. A lot is obtained from smuggling, but a lot is local as well.
 
ThatKidMike said:
Mmmhmm, and its very easy to track kids who drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes, mirite? Not to mention it'll barely be enforced, and probably be treated as alcohol and cigarettes are treated by officers among minors, that is, in a very lenient manner. They won't go tracking kids down and going Private Investigator mode using the stores as a tool.
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Officers aren't very lenient on those things in my area, in particular alcohol.


ThatKidMike said:
Weed is scarce...In the United States? Haha. Both Oregon and Norcal grow ridiculous amounts of weed, fact is, huge amounts ARE grown stateside, and it is very widely available. A lot is obtained from smuggling, but a lot is local as well.
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It may seem that way, but I highly doubt it truly is.There may be a lot of farms, but I'm fairly certain that it really doesn't make that region's top 5 crops by total acreage grown.
 
Luck said:
That doesn't make sense. I'd think a place so popular for having cannabis would have higher rates of marijuana use than America, but it doesn't.
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It makes plenty of sense. America is associated with metropolis cities, such as NY and LA. Where drug use is at its highest, the Netherlands are the Netherlands. When you think about the societies of both countries, its pretty easy to assume that the United States would have a much higher use of drugs.

Luck;613 a2132 said:
That doesn't make sense either. It's only logical to assume that something scarce would be more expensive.
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You can assume it, but that doesn't make it true. Weed isn't scarce as is, and it sure wouldn't be cheap if legal. Like I said, cigarettes are FAR from scarce in the U.S and are not cheap, by any stretch.


Don, of course it wouldn't make a list. If there was acres of it, they wouldn't be around much longer. Nobody would be dumb enough to grow hundreds of acres of weed out in the open.
 
Twocows? ok would you go climb a slippery slope? go read my post please.

like i said previously, different places have different policy's and show it in a different light, also this is America and here we are lazy and fun seeking

Cigarettes aren't scarce, that's the point
 
ThatKidMike said:
Mmmhmm, and its very easy to track kids who drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes, mirite? Not to mention it'll barely be enforced, and probably be treated as alcohol and cigarettes are treated by officers among minors, that is, in a very lenient manner. They won't go tracking kids down and going Private Investigator mode using the stores as a tool.
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I find that hard to believe knowing how much money goes into preventing the use of drugs.

https://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/policy/09budget/index.html

ThatKidMike said:
It makes plenty of sense. America is associated with metropolis cities, such as NY and LA. Where drug use is at its highest, the Netherlands are the Netherlands. When you think about the societies of both countries, its pretty easy to assume that the United States would have a much higher use of drugs.
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But…I said it was per capita :(


You can assume it, but that doesn't make it true. Weed isn't scarce as is, and it sure wouldn't be cheap if legal. Like I said, cigarettes are FAR from scarce in the U.S and are not cheap, by any stretch.
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What makes you assume that they wouldn't be cheap? I'm not saying it will be cheap, I'm just wondering.

They're not cheap when you compare it to something like cup ramen which is only about 30 cents near my local store, but it is certainly cheaper than if it were made in smaller quantities.
Nicktacular said:
Twocows? ok would you go climb a slippery slope? go read my post please.

like i said previously, different places have different policy's and show it in a different light, also this is America and here we are lazy and fun seeking

Cigarettes aren't scarce, that's the point
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The slippery slope fallacy is when you claim that one thing will result in drastic, usually illogical, side effects. Saying marijuana would make other drugs used more is a slippery slope, especially after seeing correlations contradicting that.

…What?
 
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the key word is drug. it's not particularly talking about weed, weed isn't a priority. Please read my post on the gateway effect
 
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@ThatKidMike: Which should be all the more reason it gets legalized. Time to quit tossing money at a problem that is funded by people who have the monetary resources of a small country and are more dedicated on their side of things, and is a much smaller threat to our country than its own citizens.

ThatKidMike said:
Don, of course it wouldn't make a list. If there was acres of it, they wouldn't be around much longer. Nobody would be dumb enough to grow hundreds of acres of weed out in the open.
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My point exactly. If it were legalized, though, they could grow ample amounts more of it. Plus, it has some medicinal applications that should also be considered in this debate, since it's a very effective painkiller.

I'd also like to point out to whomever said that America has a recreation-oriented culture the following articles:

https://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/11/28/051128ta_talk_surowiecki

https://www.bankersball.com/2006/07/27/why-are-americans-workaholics/

Americans work considerably more hours than Europeans do, because money to buy stuff is more important than leisure time for Americans as a whole.
 
Ok by lazy i mean in our down time not by the amount of hours people are at work, also look at our unemployment rate. and people work to have more fun in their leisure time

People do grow it all over the place, it's not scarce. and if legalized then people would just grow more and then sell out of their homes, which would contribute to the kids doing drugs.

it's affects as a pain killer are fine, although i think there are many better methods for pain relief. but that is legal, go get a card if you feel pain. that is unless your doctor tells you that there are better ways, which he will.
 
People should be allowed to do things that are harmful to themselves if they understand the consequences of their actions. The government has no right to stop people from smoking tobacco or marijuana by themselves in a way that does not cause harm to others.

The only time I have a problem is when the activity causes harm to another person. Smoking in public or getting completely drunk are things that can cause direct harm to other people and should be limited or banned entirely.
 
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