Team Building Help

Tokelfish

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    im pretty new to online battling and playing ranked matches seem to be getting my team wrecked every time i've won one in about 10 and can see the pattern emerging. I need help to make a team that's usable for ranked matches so how it's like you only get to use 3 pokemon in a single battle or 4 in a double. Any help and advice would be appreciated. PS I'm quite familiar with breeding to get good attacks and EV's and that's not a problem for me the hard part for me is having good pokes with a good moveset and also what item to give them. I can give you my current team below;

    Tyranitar
    Umbreon
    Dragonite
    Mismagius
    Ferrothorn
    Smeargol
     
    Well it was just a general question like what do you think I can do to improve my team and some suggestions on what sets to run on them. Getting the pokemon is no problem because of the GTS so if there's any pokemon that i could use in a combo for online matches would be great? As of lately my strategy has been to use smeargol with belly drum and baton pass and then having tyranitar come in and try and sweep the team but it just isn't as effective. I've played all the pokemon games but alpha sapphire is the first i've actually used online and any help at all as far as strategies would help guys
     
    Uh, well....one problem I see just by looking at your team is that you have a big Fighting weakness since 4 of your Pokemon are Fighting weak. And you can't really expect Dragonite and Mismagius to save them all the time, especially when many Fighting types carry Rock and/or Dark moves for coverage. So you'll wanna work on minimizing type weaknesses.

    As for your Smeargle thing, the issue with that strategy is that you're passing boosts to Tyranitar, which is slow and has a lot of weaknesses. So priority moves screw it over (Mach Punch, Bullet Punch, Aqua Jet) and fast attackers kill it before it can make use of the Belly Drum pass. Something better to pass would be Geomancy or Shell Smash or Dragon Dance. But really the boost passing thing can be a little difficult to do since you have to take the time to set up and pass the boost and hope that the Pokemon you're bringing in doesn't get killed as it switches in or that your opponent doesn't set up while you do. Tbh idk if I'd even bother with Baton Pass strategies in Battle Spot Singles.

    But I do agree with mystletainn that telling us the sets you're using would help too. Even if the team has good type synergy and stuff it doesn't matter if the sets are subpar.
     
    In addition to what's already been said, Tyranitar and Dragonite don't really gel well together on such a fast-paced format. I used them together on my Prism League team, and one of the biggest obstacles even in 6v6 was timing my switches to prevent Dragonite's Multiscale from breaking. Nite's HA is one of its most threatening features and Sand Stream defeats it.

    That being said, what works on your team? What do you like? It could be easy enough to bulk up this team by outsourcing its strengths to Pokemon with complementary resistances.
     
    Well all since you only get 3 pokemon to use in ranked i keep tyranitar and dragonite in my team for physical attacks with all physical moves. I initially send out smeargol first with a focus band and try and get a belly drum off. Then pass it to umbreon and get a few curses and then pass it to whoever i choose from dragonite or tyranitar. I could consider remapping my whole teamand putting entirely different pokes in but what would you guys recommend? Give me some pokemon with sets to run and i'll try my best to copy that

    I also have a ferrothorn with spikes for a trap setter too but i'm also looking at other strategies
     
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    Tokelfish said:
    Well all since you only get 3 pokemon to use in ranked i keep tyranitar and dragonite in my team for physical attacks with all physical moves. I initially send out smeargol first with a focus band and try and get a belly drum off. Then pass it to umbreon and get a few curses and then pass it to whoever i choose from dragonite or tyranitar. I could consider remapping my whole teamand putting entirely different pokes in but what would you guys recommend? Give me some pokemon with sets to run and i'll try my best to copy that
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    Tokelfish said:
    I also have a ferrothorn with spikes for a trap setter too but i'm also looking at other strategies
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    This strategy seems to take too much time to work effectively. Curse is also a pretty bad move to Baton Pass, IMO, as the Speed drop is detrimental. Belly Drum also maximizes the user's Attack, meaning that the Attack boost from Curse is useless.

    If you want your Pokemon to hit hard and fast, just use a Shell Smash user, like Gorebyss. While the offensive boosts aren't as great as Belly Drum, the Speed boost that comes with that makes it better than Curse. If 2/3rds of your team is comprised of pure Baton Pass support, and if your main Pokemon happens to go down, the entire team will fall apart later on, as Smeargle and Umbreon are passive to the extreme.

    Tyranitar and Dragonite shouldn't be on the same team, even in Battle Spot formats, as Dragonite has the Multiscale ability, which only works when the user is at full health. Tyranitar's Sand Stream renders that useless, as Dragonite isn't immune to the damaging effects of sandstorm.

    Anyway, potential sets for each team member:

    Smeargle:
    -Spore/Dark Void
    -Shell Smash (more reliable than Belly Drum, as it doesn't cut into survivability)
    -Baton Pass
    -Magic Coat
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 96 HP/120 Def/40 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Focus Sash
    Ability: Own Tempo

    Dragonite (I hope you realize that it gets an Attack-boosting move in Dragon Dance):
    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage/Dragon Claw
    -Extreme Speed
    -Fire Punch/Earthquake
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
    Ability: Multiscale

    In Battle Spot formats, use Mega Salamence instead, as its ability isn't rendered useless by Tyranitar's sandstorm:
    -Dragon Dance
    -Return
    -Earthquake
    -Fire Blast/Draco Meteor/Outrage/Substitute
    Nature: Naive/Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Salamencite
    Ability: Intimidate

    Tyranitar:
    -Stone Edge
    -Crunch/Ice Punch
    -Pursuit
    -Superpower/Earthquake
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Scarf
    Ability: Sand Stream

    or
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    Umbreon is outclassed by Sylveon because the latter has more offensive presence in Pixilate Hyper Voices. It also synergizes well with Tyranitar:
    -Wish
    -Protect
    -Hyper Voice
    -Heal Bell/Toxic
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/220 Def/36 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Pixilate

    or
    -Hyper Voice
    -Psyshock/Shadow Ball
    -Hidden Power (Ground/Fire)/Shadow Ball
    -Baton Pass/Sleep Talk/Hyper Beam
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 36 HP/252 SAtk/220 Spe
    Item: Choice Specs
    Ability: Pixilate

    or
    -Calm Mind
    -Hyper Voice
    -Rest
    -Sleep Talk/Hidden Power (Ground)/Shadow Ball
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
    Item: Chesto Berry
    Ability: Pixilate

    Mismagius is outclassed by Gengar because the latter is stronger and faster; it also has more utility options. Take note that you can get away with 2 Mega Evolutions on the same team in Battle Spot, as you can pick one depending on the team you're up against:
    -Shadow Ball/Hex
    -Sludge Bomb/Focus Blast
    -Will-o-Wisp/Taunt
    -Destiny Bond
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Gengarite

    or
    -Shadow Ball
    -Sludge Bomb/Focus Blast
    -Taunt/Focus Blast/Icy Wind
    -Destiny Bond/Substitute
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Gengarite

    or
    -Perish Song
    -Protect
    -Substitute/Disable
    -Shadow Ball/Taunt
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Gengarite

    or
    -Substitute
    -Disable
    -Shadow Ball
    -Focus Blast
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Black Sludge

    or
    -Shadow Ball
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Focus Blast
    -Destiny Bond/Dazzling Gleam/Icy Wind
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash

    Ferrothorn:
    -Spikes/Stealth Rock
    -Leech Seed
    -Power Whip/Protect
    -Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave
    Nature: Relaxed
    EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Iron Barbs
     
    These are great thankyou, are there any other pokes you would recommend getting in my team?
     
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