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>>> The April DCC thread of doom <<<

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Post counts are generally most important for one type of people: the "middle-class" people of PC who's caught between not old enough to be "PC Vet" but not exactly new either.

The old people knows who the fellow old people are, and they honestly won't care about anything one way or another as long as things are status quo (why else are they still here) with some nitpick improvements here and there. The new people are still finding their way, and obviously looks up to flashy names *coughModscough* in order to know what's going on and to find out who to hang out.

Best method to gain recognition to be one class up is to get yourself a 4 digit post count, then perhaps even a 5 digit one. In the eyes of someone who's been to PC first day, that number will give you a holy aura of infinite knowledge and great reputation. It's understandable to assume that someone with a 5 digit post counts probably know the entire forum darn well, hm?

22sa isn't totally groundless in his arguments. Back then, the new rules about the two gaming forum having no post count took a *deep* plunge in activity that is never recovered even up to this day. Safe to say, those two forums are scarred for life. It's the same forum, but no post count... somehow, that was the killer move.


Just because I'm saying these things, that doesn't mean I support post counts. I'm all for demolishing that evil counter XD Though it's sort of rare in PC, but sadly a few people walk around with some high post count numbers, and use that as a support for their arguments against someone else with a lower post count -.-; It's plain silly to say "I'm right as I obviously know what happens. I post here all the time! Look at that 6000 post count!"

(and even worse, people actually buy that crap of an excuse)
 
Hmmm, had to respond to Andy's interesting-ness. I mean, with that attitude, I understand CW's point of view sooooo much better now.

Andy said:
pokejungle:
~ Is a 4+ year PC member
True, guilty as charged.
~ Has been banned
Also true, although it was not fair, nor fully justified
~ Had his forum go anti-PC
No, look at mUnity for that. Owned by Geoff and Jake. MMC has never been anti-anything.
~ Got more then a few warnings
Pfft, who hasn't? Most members that are here for more than 2 years run into occasional problems.
~ Was involved in the anti-PC Wiki thing sometime ago
Completely false. Crystal Walrein said my name, but later retracted it. I was NEVER connected to that.
~ Has tried to undermine PC
Only when staff undermined it themselves by doing stupid things and wrecking the atmosphere.
~ Threatens to leave when something doesn't go his way
The DCC return? That was a joke. Name another time?
~ Pain in the ass to both the members and Staff
Staff mostly. Members not so much. Only some.
~ (Again, for fun) Has over 10000 posts and within the top 10 posters
Didn't know I was in the Top 10, but yes, passed 10k.
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Addition: After some thought, the fact that you'd add such a negative reply to me is really quite low for an Admin. I told you, in jest, that your long posts annoy me, and you make a list of negative things about me. Not only that, but you made a purely positive one about yourself, representing a very slanted and biased view, clearly shown only to degrade on my general image. You even used a completely incorrect fact, and misrepresented me. Neither the comment about your posts, nor the comment saying I was an older member than you, deserved that.

And in fact, I was right in defending Nica in my opinion. Do I want to assimilate with the veterans of PC if they treat some newer members like crap? Two members ganged up on her, regardless of the opinions each one had. And you as staff did nothing about it and simply said that the truth always comes out on top. So, saying you act like a cynic Administrator that has no respect for this forum or its members is ok? Because, from where I'm standing, that's exactly how you come off as in your post(s). After all though, truth trumps all. Even if that truth is merely someone's opinion, in the aforementioned situation.

Your immaturity is really disconcerting, not to mention you think you're acting as the 'mature' staff member in this situation. I know that when you cared about PC, you also took stands about things the other staff members did, and maybe your opinions weren't a majority. Was that undermining? I don't know, but by your definition, it appears so.

Maybe it PC would improve if the staff actually had a passion for their forum, and the members they're trying to serve. You're not in that position so you can enjoy it, you're put there because you accepted the responsibility of making The PokeCommunity a better place.
 
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Didn't know I was in the Top 10, but yes, passed 10k.
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Actually, You're eighth highest poster at PC. Only because of the post count changes..
I'll just post the top ten 'cause I can. ;3
  1. Ryotaro
  2. Arcanine
  3. Imari
  4. Eliana
  5. Chairman Kaga
  6. Kylie-chan
  7. Pochama
  8. pokejungle
  9. Lightning
  10. ×× Nica ××
I counted this all up ages ago..not just tonight, but made a few changes..
PC's current top 10 until the post counts get back to how they were before.
 
^Paul, If I recall correctly, you were the one that wanted mU to be the "anti-PC". Jake and I never wished for the forum to even be compared to PC, and after you left we even went to great lengths so they would NOT be compared.

I'd also hardly call getting banned twice "occasional problems". Everything Andy said is the truth, and while maybe he went a little overboard, I personally am sick of your "I've been at PC a long time. Bow to me." attitude as well. The fact is, you've come off as nothing but a know-it-all with no respect at all for the staff of PC. We all care a lot about PC, and it's members like you that make our jobs difficult.

And as far as the Wikipedia thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/PokeCommunity
Let me quote:
Paul said:
Keep As a member there, I can say this article is fairly accurate. To the outside observer, it may seem one-sided, flaming, or spiteful, but there's no way to soften the truth. I'd suggest just adding some nicer facts. ~ Paul (170.215.4.191) 20:22, 12 May 2006 (CST)
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Suuuuuure...you weren't involved at all...
 
pokejungle said:
And in fact, I was right in defending Nica in my opinion. Do I want to assimilate with the veterans of PC if they treat some newer members like crap? Two members ganged up on her, regardless of the opinions each one had. And you as staff did nothing about it and simply said that the truth always comes out on top. So, saying you act like a cynic Administrator that has no respect for this forum or its members is ok? Because, from where I'm standing, that's exactly how you come off as in your post(s). After all though, truth trumps all. Even if that truth is merely someone's opinion, in the aforementioned situation..
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'Gang up?' I don't see myself as ganging up on her. I was trying to be mature and reasonable. I was not picking on her just to make her cry or anything. I was just trying to show her reality. I thought the argument was a little farfetched, so I gave my opinion on it. I would've posted the same way with anyone, new or old, friend or not. I don't want people to use such a strange thing on their resume when they can find something better, that's all.

And I don't treat new members like crap. I find myself as one of the nicer members. You will never see me go "you're a new member, don't you dare PM me again" if someone sends me a friendly "can we be friends?" PM. Ever. In fact, I rather like talking with people, even if the PM is a little random and out of the blue. I might be a little cruel if I say "I don't call people friends right away", but other than that, I start nice conversations with them. I could less when they joined; I look for character over join date.
Well, unless you don't count me as a veteran, just old (I originally joined in May of 2004)... but even if I'd joined in 2003 or earlier, my attitude towards others wouldn't be different at all.

But if you interpret it as picking on her, fine. It's your opinion. We can agree to disagree.
 
Morkula said:
^Paul, If I recall correctly, you were the one that wanted mU to be the "anti-PC". Jake and I never wished for the forum to even be compared to PC, and after you left we even went to great lengths so they would NOT be compared.

I only advertised mU when Steve went overboard and all the upper staff quit so long ago. After that was over, so was my suggesting an alternate board. Obviously, the staff felt equally offended, as they gave up their jobs.

I'd also hardly call getting banned twice "occasional problems". Everything Andy said is the truth, and while maybe he went a little overboard, I personally am sick of your "I've been at PC a long time. Bow to me." attitude as well. The fact is, you've come off as nothing but a know-it-all with no respect at all for the staff of PC. We all care a lot about PC, and it's members like you that make our jobs difficult.

I had a dispute with Jake for the first banning, when he actually started it. Then I was banned for 'hacking' [read: logging into] someone's account, of which there was never confirmed evidence except for you having a convo. And that whole scheme was not just mine, again, your staff was involved. Matt was part of it, and told me that I wouldn't get in trouble if I did it. It wasn't just my idea.

The only time I've used that attitude was in the DCC bring-back thread. Period. I haven't even been on PC enough to have any sort of 'attitude' at the moment, as it only recently re-attracted my interest. Except my LJ, which I was angry that no one even remembered me.

And as far as anti-staff know it all, I'm afraid not. I justified my comments against Andy in full during my last post.

And as far as the Wikipedia thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/PokeCommunity
Let me quote:

Suuuuuure...you weren't involved at all...

I commented, as did Jake. So, he was involved too. Conspiracy! To be fair, my 'Keep' wasn't totally negative. I said they should add in the good facts too.
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I guess if Andy says jump, you're ready to say "How high?".

And Nayana, I just thought you guys went too far with the whole discussion. It was obvious that a high post count wouldn't help with a job. That fact didn't need to be reiterated for a lot of posts, it could have just been an 'end of discussion' kind of thing.
 
But I didn't just want to say "it won't help" and leave it with that. I wanted her to understand why it wouldn't help. And she replied, and I felt it was needed to reply back to it. After that, I posted one line on that in a third post, and that was it. The discussion shifted, it was all peaceful. I don't see a problem with that at all.

But if you don't like drawn-out arguments, I guess this one can stop here.
 
Hiroshi Sotomura said:
And I was involved in a "conspiracy" of sorts? My nomination for the deletion was on terms of Wikipedia's own policies, not my own beliefs about the article in question.

We usually leave a usernote if we accuse of account hackings. However, looking through your notes, there is a ban relating to consecutive warnings, I'll have you know.
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Geoff said that since I left a comment in the Discussion page for the article, I was involved. That means, ipso facto, you were involved too, because you also posted something on that page. But neither of us had anything to do with the creation of that negative article in the first place.

Yes, the warnings. That is undisputed. I'm not sure what your point is...?

Part of the reason I find fault with PC's staff is its ability to hold onto a grudge. I served my time, both times, and yet you still just don't let issues go. My record doesn't need to be wiped clean obviously, but I equaled out my 'bad things' with bans that you determined equaled what I was being banned for. It was an exchange, except that you don't treat it that way. Not ONE of you mentioned the thread I posted last month, located here.

Maybe its because if I said anything positive, it would make your anti-pokejungle bandwagon lose its wheels. And so not one of you paid attention to it. Smart move, if you're purposefully trying to find reasons to hate me. I'll give you credit where credit is due, the lengths this forum will go to keep bad memories alive is amazing.
 
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I don't think members will necessarily leave, but they will feel that making a post serves a little less purpose then before. They will, more often then before, decide they would rather use IM or not to make post replies at all. If you want a nicer forum with lots of communication, which PC is, more so then PE2K & Serebii, then something like the merit of having a post count is vital or at least of help. The recognition value that the post count offers shouldn't be overlooked. No matter how small of significance you think it is, depriving PC members in any way to any degree is stupid and boring.
 
22sa said:
I don't think members will necessarily leave, but they will feel that making a post serves a little less purpose then before. They will, more often then before, decide they would rather use IM or not to make post replies at all. If you want a nicer forum with lots of communication, which PC is, more so then PE2K & Serebii, then something like the merit of having a post count is vital or at least of help. The recognition value that the post count offers shouldn't be overlooked. No matter how small of significance you think it is, depriving PC members in any way to any degree is stupid and boring.
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What's wrong with PE2K?

I really like that forum.
 
Dawson said:
If you girls wanna fight, do it the right way.

I'll give you all a handbag each, and you can all take it in turns to slap each other with them.
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Why bother with inert handbags when you can give them trench knives and knuckledusters instead?
 
pokejungle said:
You outright said that PC was nicer and had better communications than PE2K.
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And what about it......? o_o I was trying to point out PC's advantages. If you want me to talk about how PE2K beats out PC, I could point some things out too, like URPG, and their more decisive moderating. But I really couldn't care less.

Edit: LT's Raichu, what's your point? Pokejungle's just standing up for PE2K and his point of view. I'm doing something similiar. :P It's not like we don't know what we're doing, and it ain't necessarily fightning.
 
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I just thought this was a forum for everyone, your discussion don't make it easy for everyone else to jump in the conversation
 
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