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The Best Overall Team (Unofficial)

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Ok, so here is the vote so far:

Keep Ludicolo: 2

Forget Ludicolo: 1

sims, please vote for us. I agree with everything you have said. jb0000612, this is not the thread where we tell good things about our own teams, which is what you have asked us to do. There is really nothing good about your team. If it has an Uber in it, i ususally dont even look, most of your pokemon are inferior even for UU. The pokemon you have look like they have been captured to beat the elite four. If that is your goal then you should be able to beat them pretty easily.
 
Before I vote, what are the other pokes on the team again? With the backtracking, while nessesary to make a team, can be confusing.
 
i'll go with punishment. i think there are better special walls out there but if punishment says ludicolo held its own against stabbed earthquake, i'm going to go with it. keep ludicolo. it's the cradily that's got to go. why did we replace milotic and dusknoir in the first place anyway? i wasn't here to see it.
 
What are the rest of the team members? I can't find the post stating it.
 
Ludicolo
Claydol
Milotic
Metagross
Cradily
Togekiss

Thats what we are currently deciding on.
 
Ludicolo
Claydol
Milotic
Metagross
Cradily
Togekiss

Here is the current team. It obvious that we all want Ludicolo, so we keep him. Next order of business, Cradily. Do you want him or not. I dont want him, so here is the vote for CRADILY so far:

Keep: 0

Lose: 1

This team has way to many walls. Ludicolo, Claydol, and Milotic, plus Cradily if we dont get rid of him. And we have only one Physical and Sp. Sweeper. Im guessing that we will be putting in Garchomp, which means that Milotic or Ludicolo is going to also serve as a sp.sweeper. Ludicolo dosent have room to be successful in both, which means that we are going to have to make Milotic count for something. This team dosent seem balanced in power right:

Walls
-------
Miloic
Ludicolo
Claydol

Physical Sweeper
-------
Metagross

Sp.Sweeper
-------
Togekiss
 
The more I stare, the more I feel uneasy. I say keep Ludicolo-Nice typing, and good moves,-but I just feel scared to send this team off to war.
 
Togekiss is the Special Sweeper even though it relies on flinchax. Milotic is best served a bulky water but dont get this wrong as Milotic can still do tons of damage with that Sp Atk stat. She is too slow to sweep.

Ludicolo with Rain Dance would be able to sweep despite its low Sp. Atk. Its a Drainer though and a counter to all bulky waters. With Rain Dance Surf is like godly (180 BP I think?). STAB Energy Ball is like 120 BP.
 
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I say lose Cradily. He's nice, but not useful on this particular team.
 
Exactly. We dont have a reliable Sp.Sweeper on this team, besides Togekiss, but she isnt exactly the fasts pokemon in the world. I know about Milotic, but she is mainly for walling, and Ludicolo can not be both a good wall, and a good Sp.Sweeper. As c dog said himself, you have to pick one or the other. And he is apperantly the Ludicolo Expert.

Vote:

Keep Cradily: 0

Lose Cradily: 2
 
Hmmm well we dont have to follow the metagame trend do we? Surpise is always nice and this is how my Ludicolo is:

Ludicolo@Leftovers
Calm Nature (+Sp Def,-Atk)
Ability: Swift Swim
244 HP, 166 Sp. Def, 100 Def
-Leech Seed
-Energy Ball
-Surf
-Rain Dance

Stats at level 100:
HP:350
Atk: Forgot but it doesnt need it!
Def: 200
Sp. Atk: 198
Sp. Def: 304
Speed: 164 (I think)

Meh, I may get ripped apart for this but this is merely a suggestion on my part. ^_^
 
Well there is no Synthesis that way, which means that there will be no way for us to get HP fast. And true, we will have Rain Dance, Leech Seed, and Leftovers, but that takes a while to get set up, plus it probably is going to get out run because of his speed.
 
actually, the wall version of ludicolo should do some nice damage thanks to its base stat. and the sweeper version conversely can take sp.att damage well thanks to its typing and base sp.def. you just have to decide on which you want more. if you want the sweeper then i actually think kingdra may be better.. kingdra also has excellent typing being only weak to dragon(yes, only one weakness) with great all-around stats and is one of the best sweepers in the game. but ludicolo does have leech seed and synthesis going for it.
 
Exactly. For him to be the best Sp.Sweeper he can be, he cant be the best Wall that he could be, and Vice-Versa. We want him as a wall, which means that we are still short of a Sp.Sweeper.
 
Vainz said:
Well there is no Synthesis that way, which means that there will be no way for us to get HP fast. And true, we will have Rain Dance, Leech Seed, and Leftovers, but that takes a while to get set up, plus it probably is going to get out run because of his speed.
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Thats why we have Rain Dance. That 164 is instantly changed into a 328. Ludicolo has one of the best typings inho which grants it the best resistances. Ground and Steel attacks are only half as effective while water is quarter effective. Rain Dance also basically boosts Surf (along with STAB to) 190.

Suprisingly most people are also unfamiliar with Ludicolo and they switch into something with Ice Beam in hopes of killing it that way. But with that defense and neutrality to ICe it can take about 3 hits.

The argument behing Synthesis is because of the weather itself. Rain Dance and the ever so common Sandstorm weakens its effectiveness.

Well I trust c dog on his opinions as he is more expericened. :)
 
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I vote sweeper Ludicolo. I'm not suggesting, but what happend to Shiftry?
 
If we short of a special how about Mismagius? This Pokemon is truly underrated. It immune to Ground, Fighting and Normal attacks. (Anti-Bliss anyone?) This also opens up the option that it can be our Anti-Spinner. It's weakness is only Ghost and Dark.

Its important stats are all at 105 except for HP which is at a low 60. >.<

EDIT: I also like Kingdra as I run one of those too. ^_^
 
Punishment, we are not short of a pokemon. This is our team:

Claydol
Ludicolo
Metagross
Milotic
Togekiss
(Most Likely Garchomp)

I still dont really see a choice yet. Are we going Wall Ludicolo, Sp.Sweep Ludicolo, or a mix of both? This is what we should do:

Claydol (Wall, Rapid Spinner)
Ludicolo (Sp.Sweeper)
Metagross (Physical Sweeper)
Milotic (Wall)
Togekiss (Sp.Sweeper)
Garchomp (Physical Sweeper)

But i dont like Garchomp because of his Beyond OU status, and he would make half our team weak to ice. Maybe we could come up with something other than Garchomp.
 
mismaguis is nice.. but i thought this team wanted some speed? gengar or alakazam perhaps? choice scarf porygon Z?
 
Look, we are not deciding on pokes whether they are OU or not. This isn't the most original team, its the most fuctional. If an extreme OU will help, so be it. I do agree on that Ice comment.
 
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