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Well you guys do whatever I'll be back later to put in my two cents again and again and again......
I like Physical sweeper Salamence cause I'm not good at the hit and run kind of game.
Or even a move pool like this
Crunch
Flamethrower
Fly
Dragon Claw
 
Wooty McWoot said:
But what else would Dusknoir do after it does Mean Look and Curse? It would just sit there and wait for the Pokemon to die.
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That is why we need at least one offensive move such as Pain Split or Shadow Punch.

My recommended moveset is:

-Will-o-Wisp
-Mean Look
-Curse
-Shadow Punch/Pain Split
 
Punishment said:
That is why we need at least one offensive move such as Pain Split or Shadow Punch.

My recommended moveset is:

-Will-o-Wisp
-Mean Look
-Curse
-Shadow Punch/Pain Split
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Pain Split would be a Blissey's worst nightmare paired with Curse.
 
Wooty McWoot said:
But what else would Dusknoir do after it does Mean Look and Curse? It would just sit there and wait for the Pokemon to die.
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Shadow punch, and thats kind of what Wall/Annoyers do.

i think Will-o-wisp is unessicary with Curse, if it came down to that, i'd rather have Toxic but Rest works well after you've cursed your opponent, thats what his Sp def and def stat is for.
 
I am not suggestion Will-o-wisp for its damage but more of its secondary effect. You know how paralyze also slows down the opponent by cutting their speeds by 75%?

Well Will-o-Wisp also has a second effect. A pokemon inflicted with this status has it's Attack stat cut down by 50%. Therefore Dusknoir can just sit there and laugh as Earthquakes do very minimal damage.
 
I didn't know paralyze and burn had a second effect until some trainer told me. Most people know paralyze cuts speed but many don't know burn cuts attack.

A moveset for a Hit and Run Salamence can be:

-Draco Meteor
-Flamethrower
-Roost
-(filler)

Of course this will be paired with Choice Specs or Choice Scarf. Severly damaging an opponent's opening Pokemon basically cuts their morality and strategy. Most people come out with walls as their opening move.
 
Mr.May16 said:
Shadow punch, and thats kind of what Wall/Annoyers do.

i think Will-o-wisp is unessicary with Curse, if it came down to that, i'd rather have Toxic but Rest works well after you've cursed your opponent, thats what his Sp def and def stat is for.
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What about his trademark horrible HP? Also, I knew about the burn thing. I thought a lot of people did. Anyway, I have to go.
 
Scizor moveset right here, coming up

Baton Passer
Scizor-Impish
Agility
X-Sizzor
Baton Pass
Swords Dance

or...

Plain ol' attacker
Scizor-Jolly
X-Scizzor
Iron Head
Swords Dance
Iron Defense

I know somebody can do better. Its ten o'clock in Brooklyn, so I'm tired, & I can't think straight. Goodnight everyone, see ya tommorow.
 
Ok. Its time to explain Dusknoir to people. Everybody says "Pain Split is a Blissey's worst nightmare", Curse takes 1/4 of the eneimies life every turn, regardless of their HP. If that isnt a Blissey killer, i dont know what is. We could possibly get rid of shadow punch for Will-o-wisp. The only thing about will-o-wisp is that it is some-what unreliable. Plus because of Dusknoir's low HP, every turn counts.

Now that we have decided on the pokemon. We need to choose movesets. Lets start with Salamence. We could do a hit and run tactic, if we EVed his SPAttack. The only problem is the dreaded Mean Look. It could casue a real problem. On the other hand it could really layout some damage if done right. Post what you want to do.

Time for Scizor. We should use him as a baton passing monster. He could set a few different pokemon depending on what ever situation is at hand. We could make a GOD Metagross whose attack could not be matched, we could really speed up Salamence to give him an edge over a Garchomp, or we could give Milotic or Dusknoir the ability to laugh at any phsyical sweeper in existance. Also in a worst case scinario, he could transform into a decent physical sweeper. Scizor is just an all-around good choice. He needs TWO of the following moves + baton pass:

Iron Defense
Sword Dance
Agility

Post which two we should use. We can use an X-Scissor, Iron Head, or something like that for the last move.
 
Either Agility and Swords Dance, or Swords Dance and Iron Defence. Agility for Metagross, but honesty, most of our team is fast. Swords Dance for our Meta again, but Iron Defence could help out some weak defences.
 
So you think we should have Sword Dance either way sims796? I think we should go with Sword Dance and Iron Defense. The walls dont need to worry about speed that much, and we already have Salamence and Porygon-Z for speed.
 
And Crobat for Speed. Like you said, Agility is redundant, we have walls and speedy pokemon. Swords Dance is probably the most useful move we have. And if no Agility, Iron Defence.
 
Swords Dance definately. Though discussing our wall has me looking at Ninjask. He maybe frial but nearly untouchable.

Ninjask
-Substitute
-Swords Dance
-Baton Pass
-Protect/X-Scissor

Of course this is merely a suggestion.

We dont have Crobato n this team though so we may need agility. Salamence using Draco Meteor doesn't have to worry about Mean Look. Would we really keep it in after a drop in Special Attack by two stages. I do not think (if their Pokemon survived) that an Advanced trainer would keep a Pokemon with a bulk of it's HP in battle. Of course unless it was a healer maybe. But how many healers can outrun a Salamence?

I do not think the team needs Speed though. One Iron Defense would make Dusknoir insane and Milotic more sturdy to electrical attacks.

Will-o-Wisp may only have 30% accuracy but it can save Dusknoir and our other Pokemon a bit of HP. Just a risk we have to live with, same with Hypnosis on Milotic.
 
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I realize that Ninjask is one of the best baton passers out there, but if he gets hit by something, its going to hurt. Scizor has a defense, which allows him to survive long enough to use his stat raising moves. What if Ninjask is the last pokemon we have left to use? Scizor can defend himself well if he is our last option. Plus if Ninjask got taunted, he would be pretty useless. That would also open up another weakness to elec for out team.

If we stick with Scizor, i think that we all agree on Sword Dance. We all like the sound of Godgross. Now we have to make our second choice. It is a very hard choice. Do we want a speed boast for pokemon like Salamence and Porygon-Z, or do we want extra defense for Dusknoir and Milotic. I might set up this situation in my game, and see which works better.

Move set so far:

Baton Pass
Sword Dance
X-Scissor/ Night Slash/ Iron Head
Iron Defense/ Agility
 
ninjask is not going to get hit if you use him right. in worst case scenario you pass off a couple of agilities(at least 2). in some circumstances you may pass off a sub too, and if you're lucky, a sword dance as well. it's probably the best baton passer out there, and even novice trainers can pass off 2 agilities with it, easily.
 
If i was looking for a pokemon thats sole purpose was baton pass, i would go with Ninjask. Unfortunaltly we are trying to make the best overall team that we can possible make. As i said before, if he was our last pokemon, or if he was Mean Looked, he would not be useful. Scizor can battle with a lot of power using his Base attack of 130. He also can take a punch because of his soul weakness to fire and Base Def of 100. Besides, with Scizor, we can use Iron Defense, and with Ninjask, we would have two weaknesses to Fire, Rock, Elec, and Ice. I am sorry if i seem to be Defensive, but i just dont like the idea.
 
Then again why would we allow Ninjask to be the last Pokemon? Why would we let the fastest nonlegendary Pokemon be Mean Looked?

Defense is something the team really doesn't need in my honest opinion. Dusknoir doesn't have HP so they extra defense isnt much. But we can go for an Agility/Swords Dance Scizor.

But if we do go with a Ninjask, I'd change Salamence into a Physical Sweeper.
 
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