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The Best Overall Team (Unofficial)

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We're looking for sp.sweepers right now.
 
sims796 said:
We're looking for sp.sweepers right now.
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Oh, I thought you'd do that last, after finally picking a physical sweeper.

Well, the best ones I know of are Porygon-Z, Magnezone, Gengar, and Glaceon. Though, I don't think all four are best used as special sweepers. Two of them at least, though.

Now, we already have Blissey and Dusknoir, so I feel uncomfortable using either Gengar or Porygon-Z here. That leaves Magnezone and Glaceon, unless someone else gets a bright idea.

Glaceon @ Leftovers; Snow Cloak
Modest; 4 HP, 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack
Ice Beam
Hidden Power
Fake Tears
Wish

Magnezone @ Leftovers; Magnet Pull
Modest; 172 HP, 84 Speed, 252 Special Attack
Discharge
Flash Cannon
Hidden Power
Magnet Rise

Hidden Power would be Fighting on Glaceon and Ice on Magnezone.
 
Well, the thing you must understand is, well, just because Blissey & Porygon-Z are both normal types, doesn't mean they can't function well together, simply because they fufill totally different roles. Blissey's a sp.wall, Pory's a sp.sweeper. Just because they both have fighting weak, doesn't mean they can't work well. That's what physical walls are for.

As for Gengar, I just plum feel he doesn't have a place. THIS is where type comes in, because two ghosts are redundant. Understand? Type only comes into play with strategy. It would be poor strategy to have two ghost, but not as much to have two normal types that fufill totally different roles, since Pursuit is much more common than I thought.

Even then, Dusk & Gar can funtion together, since they fill two totally different roles. But since the move Pursuit is pretty common, it takes caution.


As for those pokes you put up, they are only few sp.sweepers. Gengar, Alakazam, Pory, Specsmence, Roserade, etc...

That Glaceon set isn't a good Sp.sweeping set, with Ice Beam as it's sole damaging move, & Hidden Power as it's backup, at a measily base 70 at best? With no way of increasing his power, she's not really scaring much. She shouldn't have to rely on Wish-passing, or even status lowering (which is just about forcing a switch) because she's supposed to be sweeping. She should only concentrate in hitting as many things as it can, as hard as it can. Plus, she's an Ice type, which is weak to Stealth Rock. I donl\'t like that in a sweeper.


Magnezone has great SP.ATK, but it's too slow. I like the idea of Skarm trapping, but...too slow for sweeping.


EDIT:On second glance, the biggest issue with those two poke is the pure fact that they are both too slow.

I like Specsmence, but...not two dragons. That's asking for an Ice Beam. Plus, I've always felt one was enough.
 
sims796 said:
Well, the thing you must understand is, well, just because Blissey & Porygon-Z are both normal types, doesn't mean they can't function well together, simply because they fufill totally different roles. Blissey's a sp.wall, Pory's a sp.sweeper. Just because they both have fighting weak, doesn't mean they can't work well. That's what physical walls are for.

As for Gengar, I just plum feel he doesn't have a place. THIS is where type comes in, because two ghosts are redundant. Understand? Type only comes into play with strategy. It would be poor strategy to have two ghost, but not as much to have two normal types that fufill totally different roles, since Pursuit is much more common than I thought.

I kind of get it. My knowledge of the meta is limited to what I read of your posts and Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13's posts, since you two seem to know the most about it here, and I refuse to go to Smogon's forums for such knowledge. So, basically, I can use two Pokémon of the same type if both have different roles and don't have a weakness to a very commonly-used attack, right? That's why Gengar wouldn't fit here, but Porygon-Z would (weakness to Pursuit), right?

Even then, Dusk & Gar can funtion together, since they fill two totally different roles. But since the move Pursuit is pretty common, it takes caution.


As for those pokes you put up, they are only few sp.sweepers. Gengar, Alakazam, Pory, Specsmence, Roserade, etc...

That Glaceon set isn't a good Sp.sweeping set, with Ice Beam as it's sole damaging move, & Hidden Power as it's backup, at a measily base 70 at best? With no way of increasing his power, she's not really scaring much. She shouldn't have to rely on Wish-passing, or even status lowering (which is just about forcing a switch) because she's supposed to be sweeping. She should only concentrate in hitting as many things as it can, as hard as it can. Plus, she's an Ice type, which is weak to Stealth Rock. I donl\'t like that in a sweeper.

I felt the same, but a Choice Specs set would be even worse.

Magnezone has great SP.ATK, but it's too slow. I like the idea of Skarm trapping, but...too slow for sweeping.


EDIT:On second glance, the biggest issue with those two poke is the pure fact that they are both too slow.

I like Specsmence, but...not two dragons. That's asking for an Ice Beam. Plus, I've always felt one was enough.
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I guess we're going with Porygon-Z, then?
 
Nope. Not until we get more imput. I can't think strainght, I'm freaking bout an exam, so I'm useless.


And Gengar/Dusknoir has Pursiut weak. Pory is only weak to fighting, & Tri Attack may wipe them out.
 
sims796 said:
Nope. Not until we get more imput. I can't think strainght, I'm freaking bout an exam, so I'm useless.


And Gengar/Dusknoir has Pursiut weak. Pory is only weak to fighting, & Tri Attack may wipe them out.
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Okay, I think I've got it now. Thanks. Good luck on your examination.

And now we wait...
 
we could use Zam, i know he's been very weakened with his loss of the elemental punches but he's still an awesome poke.
 
Death_Machine said:
we could use Zam, i know he's been very weakened with his loss of the elemental punches but he's still an awesome poke.
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No, we already have Dusknoir and Starmie who are weak to Dark attacks, we don't need another Psychic.
 
don't throw rocks at me or anything... But special sweeping Nape with nasty plot hurts a lot

Infernape @ Wide Lens (yes i play on shoddy and sweeping with a sucky focus blast is bad)
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Flamethrower
- Nasty Plot
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Focus Blast

and good luck on your exam sims^^
 
Well, here.

To be honest, I'm not sure if I can choose between these two. Porygon-Z is easily more powerful, but Infernape's faster.

It's a difficult decision...
 
We need something that can inflict major sp. damage, maybe a Choice Specs GYARADOS Salamence or whatever ?

Damn i wish we could use legendaries, heatran would go great here, covers dusknoirs,Starmies and Heracross/Dragonites. dark, bug, Psychic fire, ice weaknesses. Its so fun to switch it in on fire attacks and lol when they think they can wall you with blissey and it gets 2hkod.
 
Scarftran makes a great special sweeper, and with Weezing to eat up incoming (predicted) Earthquakes etc, it will work rather well... damn the no legends thing that Vainz asked us to abide by

I'd be tempted to go with a Roserade, either Scarf or Specs
 
You know, we should just build two versions of this team. One with legends (OU and weaker), and one without. That way, everyone is happy.

With Legends
Dusknoir / ????
Blissey / ????
Weezing / ????
Starmie / ????
Dragonite / ????
Heatran / Porygon-Z / ????

Without Legends
Dusknoir
Blissey
Weezing
Starmie
Dragonite
Porygon-Z / ????

That's what the team seems to be now.
 
Dusknoir and Spiritomb both have the purpose to block Rapid Spin, however in my opinion, Spiritombs better off with Hypnosis/Pain Split with it's low low speed, heck, you should be able to use it as a lead. Dusknoir inflicts heavier damage and has it's superior defenses.
 
Heracross = 25.51% - 29.93% with Aerial Ace on 128 Def, 252 HP Dusknoir.
Heracross = 41.84% - 49.32% with Stone Edge on 128 Def, 252 HP Dusknoir.
Heracross = 37.41% - 44.22% with Megahoron on 128 Def, 252 HP Dusknior.

~T_S
 
No sorry, they don't. Please read the at least most of the thread or the latest posts about the team before you do something like this. Hopefully I don't sound rude, but if you cannot understand the previous couple of pages, then don't post.

See JB for what not to post

~T_S
 
Actually, I like the idea of Espeon and Yanmega >.> Man, so much JB hate :0

TS, were those Hera calcs for CB or Scarfcross? Either way, Name summed it up best.

So we have Noir/Bliss/Weezing as our walling core? Right on!
 
Choice Band, which surprised me. I didn't know Noir was so strong.

What I simply meant was that he should at least try to show how they would fit in with the team. I'm all for Yanmega. :)

Yanmega@Focus Sash / Wise Glasses
Modest
252 Sp. atk, 252 Spd, 6 Def

Bug Buzz
Hypnosis / HP Ice / Air Slash
Hypnosis / HP Ice / Air Slash
Protect

~T_S
 
Tortured_Soul said:
No sorry, they don't. Please read the at least most of the thread or the latest posts about the team before you do something like this. Hopefully I don't sound rude, but if you cannot understand the previous couple of pages, then don't post.

See JB for what not to post

~T_S
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Alright just trying to name some that weren't mentioned by other people. I'll read some and see if I can help any ( probably not but you never know).
 
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