The general competitive standard: Rules

Legacy said:
And is it just me, or does any attack with less than 85% accuracy miss more than it hits? I was in a battle not long ago where I missed three Hypnosis' and two Focus Blasts in a row, and later on in that same game I missed two simultaneous Air Slashes (at 95% accuracy).
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That's all happened to me too. Good thing Togekiss has such above-average defenses, lol. Gengar isn't so lucky.
 
I don't think Lati@s are legendaries because the are not banned on game on battle tower!
 
battle tower doesnt mean anything =\
 
pokettomonsuta said:
Ok, but thay can be used if they are not holding Soul Dew right?
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They can be used as NON-UBER Legendaries, but they become Uber once they hold the Soul Dew. So either way, when you battle around here, let people know you'll be using legendaries, Uber or not. If Ubers are allowed, then equip the buggers with Soul Dew. If Legends (but not Ubers) are allowed, then give it Leftovers, or something.
 
They can be used as NON-UBER Legendaries, but they become Uber once they hold the Soul Dew. So either way, when you battle around here, let people know you'll be using legendaries, Uber or not. If Ubers are allowed, then equip the buggers with Soul Dew. If Legends (but not Ubers) are allowed, then give it Leftovers, or something.
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Actually, Latias and Latios are considered ubers regardless of whether or not they're holding Soul Dew.
 
Yeah, I know. I havent changed that. I should probably update that
 
aragornbird said:
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Tyranitar certainly has been more godly than back in Advance. But not everyone bans Celebi...at least not the experienced trainers. And the only reason Celebi isn't on a lot of teams is because Celebi is rare and one with good Nature/IVs is even rarer.

If you ask me, most people on PC seem to ban all legends because they don't have enough competitive battling experience and think that legends are superior to normal Pokemon and therefore, must be banned.

When in reality, the only Pokemon that should be banned from standard play are the ubers on that list. The rest of the legends are far less threatening than many non-legends like Salamence, Tyranitar, and Rhyperior.

* The legendary birds all have Stealth Rock weaknesses (Articuno and Moltres have 4x Stealth Rock weak, which means they'll lose half of their health when they switch in).

* The legendary dogs/cats all have limited movepools, so they really don't have much to choose from in terms of attacking moves (especially poor poor Entei).

* The Regis aren't as great as they were in Advance. Their main job is defense, but the stronger new moves in D/P means they can't do their job as well anymore.
Also, Regigigas's Slow Start ability basically makes it suck.

*Speaking of defense, that's the main job of Uxie and Cresselia. They're great at taking hits, but they can't do much damage. Also, Dark types got much better in D/P, so even those two need to watch out.

*Mesprit has nice, balanced stats, but they aren't that impressive.

*Phione has crap stats. 'Nuff said.

*Heatran is pretty good, but it has low speed and a bunch of weaknesses

*Celebi is still good, but now it's afraid of the newer, better Dark and Bug moves in D/P.
Shaymin is just a lesser Celebi and can't even do that much.

*Jirachi is still good too, but it can't take down teams without a lot of setting up. It's offensive stats just aren't anything amazing.

The only legends that would actually pose a problem for many teams is Azelf and Manaphy, and this is mainly because they have access to a Special Swords Dance (Nasty Plot for Azelf and Tail Glow for Manaphy). This single move gives these two little legends a chance to beat even Blissey, the best special wall in the game.

Fortunately, Azelf has crappy defenses and a good Manaphy is very hard to find.

Basically, non-uber legends aren't really all they're cracked up to be. In fact, many of the old legends are even WORSE than they were in Advance. Unfortunately, D/P is full of people who have never been in a competitive battle before and it will take a while before they can realize all the things I pointed out above.

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Agreed.

It basically seems that D/P has resettled the world of competitive battling.


And yes. Poor poor Entei. D;
 
I agree, but I thought that was, as of yet, undecided? o.o
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I always thought everyone had agreed on that, but now that I look at their stats, I see they're starting to get outclassed in Ubers. I think Soul Dew-less Latias and Latios might drop out of the Uber list because they don't really stand a chance against the likes of Choice Scarf Heracross, Rhyperior or even Yanmega. But only time will tell, I suppose.

*Makes mental note to himself not to make assumptions of the D/P metagames based on the Advanced generation tiers*
 
I hope they don't drop off the uber list. If I gotta start training a Heracross to beat Latias, well that wouldn't be fair, since I don't care for Heracross. If I gotta use something I don't like, why play?
 
ultima2096 said:
I have never battle over wifi.. mainly as i have no lvl.100 pokes.
can you cap them to thevel 50 like in the battle tower?
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Yes, but they don't need to be at lvl 100. On wi-fi, they can automatically be set to lvl 100 for the match.
 
ultima2096 said:
so if i had a lvl.12 pidgey, it would be lvl. 100 on wifi!!
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Not only that, but their stats will also be increased accordingly. So if you started EV training, when you wi-fi battle on lvl 100 caps, their stats will increase according to those EV's.
 
would anyone categorize Heartran as an Uber??? i looked at the stats and its not really that great, even though they are slightly higher than most pokemon, but not by much
 
BIGbigman93 said:
would anyone categorize Heartran as an Uber??? i looked at the stats and its not really that great, even though they are slightly higher than most pokemon, but not by much
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lol heatran has common weaknesses. He is pretty crappy as a legendary. Movepool is pretty bad
 
Uber list updated: manaphy added.
 
BIGbigman93 said:
would anyone categorize Heartran as an Uber??? i looked at the stats and its not really that great, even though they are slightly higher than most pokemon, but not by much
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I OHKOed a Heatran with a Claydol. A CLAYDOL.

That's pretty bad. XD

4x weakness to Ground = a world of pain, since Earthquake is the single most common physical attack, Heatran doesn't stand a chance.

So no, I'd say it's not an uber by any means.
 
Nightofshadow said:
Uber list updated: manaphy added.
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what's the reason for manaphy being there? its stat is kind of standard and its movepool is mediocre(good but not great).. i don't see how it's much better than celebi or suicune... if at all. maybe i'm not using it right.
 
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