The new formes of Platinum- A competetive discussion

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That set is fail. Where the frick is Solar Beam?

But don't forget it's subpar defenses, & being quad weak to Ice, Weavile raepz. Substitute is an option.
 
Solarbeam? Are you serious? Even in sun, Seed Flare is better because of 80% drop rate.

Skymin @ Choice Specs
252 SAttk/252 Spd/4 HP -- Timid
Seed Flare
Air Slash
HP Ground
Psychic/Leech Seed

Psychic for CROBAT YES. Alternatively, you could Leech Seed a predicted Muk or Registeel or Regice switch in, I hear they're great counters.

A few more things to add: Skymin does not get Roost which sucks since giving it to defensive Shaymin would rock. Origiratina is confirmed to get Mud-Slap, Spite (ANOTHER FORME PRESSURE STALL YESS), and Outrage. The washing machine Rotom is real and gains Hydro Pump.
 
No. It was a joke. I mean, seriously, wtf.

Seed Flare just about opens up a near 2HKO on those things if they switch into it. Assuming an 80% Sp.Def drop. Besides, your still walled by flying steels, and it ain't like she benifits from Leech Seed while using Specs.

Incidentaly, she now takes Sceptile's placeas the fastest Subseeder around. She even has more HP.
 
I don't think you need Psychic just for Crobat, I'm pretty sure Air Slash will scare it away.

I don't think Giratina gets Outrage, do you mean Draco Meteor?
 
There's been rumors of it getting Outrage. We'll just wait & see.
 
Shaymin @ Petyta Berry
Timid Nature
252 Sp Atk/ 252 Spd/ 6 HP

-Seed Flare
-Substitute
-Hidden Power Ice
-Air Slash

If you want to go different

Mixed Sweeper

Shaymin @ Life Orb
Naive Nature
170 Sp Atk/ 252 Spd/ 82 Atk/ 6 HP

-Seed Flare
-Return
-Hidden Power Ice
-Air Slash

Or a Sunny Day set..

Shaymin @ Leftovers
Modest Nature
252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd/ 6 HP

-Solar Beam
-Sunny Day
-Hidden Power Fire
-Synthesis

..............
 
I still need to see all the new moves some Pokemon got.
I wanna try Bullet Punch Scizor.
 
of course the lawn mower is evil, why wouldn't it be? Any who, Shaymin Sky can't be sereiously injured by Flying types, that's a start.
 
Can't be injured by flying types? Wait........what? It's weak to flying! Aerodactyl still outspeeds it and KOs it most likely, although 100/75/75 defenses surpass Starmie's 65/85/85. However, 4x weak to Ice is a problem. Ice Shard from Weavile can quickly lay on the KO with CB, although Skymin has that Quick Attack to get the jump on weakened Weavile.

The more offensive Giratina...I really don't think it's going to be too useful without a Scarf. It's too slow, but Ghost + Dragon in Ubers = wonder offensive typing. Shadow Ball + Dragon Pulse or Shadow Claw + Dragon Claw destroy most Ubers, even the likes of Shedinja. Its defenses are still adequate enough to tank, but not wall.

The new Rotom forms, I don't know. I'll wait for more information.

Two things that make me facepalm: Neither Flareon or Entei got Flare Blitz. They got Lava Plume and Eruption, respectively. Seriously, one of them needed a good Fire STAB, but Game Freak didn't grant this...I wanna gun them down now. Also, with the expected Outrage tutor, Dragonite is 95% outclassed by Salamence or heck, even Kingdra! (Dragonite still has a more varied special movepool and Focus Punch, although that special movepool isn't useful.) Dragonite better get a saving grace of some sort this coming generation or else it's going straight to BL and remaining there for eternity.
 
Skymin @ Life Orb / Leftovers ** Can't touch this
Timid, 252 Spe / 252 SpA / 4 HP

Leech Seed
Substitute
Air Slash
Seed Flare

Skymin is clearly Uber judging by the information released. 127 Spe coupled with 120 SpA obviously grants it a one-way ticket to Ubers, as it has a great STAB move in Seed Flare, with Serene Grace its abilities are doubled.
 
The Rotoms will all be stuck in UU for bad speed, except the oven forme becuase it can't be walled by bulky waters and is therefore in BL.

Shaymin will break OU in five seconds flat and be thrown into Ubers to get raped at sonic speed.

Giratina will just flat out suck.
 
This is fun, all these pre-tested speculations.

Dark, do you mean LawnMower isn't walled by bulkywaters? He's the only one with a supreme grass type, that raeps all competition, because grass types are the strongest ones evar.

But yeah, grass beats bulky waters.

Can't Mew help out Shaymin if she gets thrown into uber?
 
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I think people are dismissing Giratina. The origin form is no longer a wall, but a tank. It still has 150/100/100 defenses, which are almost as good as Cresselia, while boasting a 120 Base SpA stat and a far better movepool. It could do some damage in Ubers.

Sky Shaymin is so totally Uber. Seriously, did Gamefreak mess up or what? 80% chance of -2 SpD. Jesus, nothing is safe anymore! Not to mention Air Slash is boosted and it's incredible speed. Also it doesn't have the worst defenses with 100/75/75, and a new fighting resist.

Nasty Plot Darkrai and (supposedly) Outraging Salamence could bring new life into the metagames also. This looks interesting, and why I was against moving Garchomp until these new changes were seen. The whole metagame is going to get a reshuffle IMO.

btw, playing it now, and the graphics rock. CHIMCHAR IS THE SEX I TELL YOU. PICK CHIMCHAR, THE LITTLE MONKEY IS TOOOOO GOOD!

~T_S
 
i think Giratina Origin Form is faster than its old form in Diamond&Pearl. isnt it?
 
I disagree totally. Dusknoir looks fruity, damned new graphics.

I pray to God that these Outraging tutors are just rumors. The game would literally be broken, then. Seriously, dragons would rule the metagame with no problem.
 
even if they made the origin form of giratina. still dialga is The Most Powerful Dragon Pokemon
 
Hmmm. Donphan got Seed Bomb (btw, wtf is that? How does Donphan get Seed Bomb???) so maybe CB Donphans will be used more with their Ice Shards now that they can threaten bulky water switch-ins?
 
The same way Pachurisu got Seed Bomb.

You know, I'm good with this thread for a while. I'm just pissed at how some pokes got updates, yet others that needed it got forsaken. I mean what the frack? What the hell does Bellosom need Leafblade for? Why didn't Vileplume get himself a useful offensive move? What the *$#@% were the thinking when they gave Lava Plume to Flareon? I freakin' hate GameFreak now.
 
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