The new formes of Platinum- A competetive discussion

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Becuase Lucario can't really be countered anymore and Salamence is the new Garchomp with its Outrage, yeah, OU isn't broke eh?

Just be lucky we didn't get Recover Bronzong and Dusknoir.

Oh yeah...lol

You know, you're really starting to get annoying about this... You have to look past the moves that a couple of pokemon get and look at the big picture, like the rest of us have been talking about, instead of dwelling on OMG SALAMANCE WIT OUTRAGE!!!1111
 
No he's not, he has a good point. Mence is definately scarier with Outrage, as unlike Chomp, he can actually increase SPEED as well as Attack. That is very scary, as even Choice Scarf Attackers may not be able to beat it.
 
You know, you're really starting to get annoying about this... You have to look past the moves that a couple of pokemon get and look at the big picture, like the rest of us have been talking about, instead of dwelling on OMG SALAMANCE WIT OUTRAGE!!!1111

The heck ?

That was uncalled for =/.


Seriously if this is going to be the start of another "sour discussion thread" then i wont hesitate to infract people, so stop before it even begins to bud into that.

Now, can we get back on topic please.
 
I think Salamence's counters are going to reduce to Bronzong and Hippowdon and thats it. My team is gonna have a DDMence weak when Platinum rolls around. And TPunchLuke.

BoltBeam Punch Lucario is gonna cause a lot of counter problems. Unless you know its moveset, tossing Gliscor/Gyara/Bulkymence is gonna lead in disaster.

Looks like Typhlosion will be staying in BL for a long time.
Steelix I think is going to make the jump to OU. CurseLix laughs at any physical attacks, and with Careful 252/252, plus Steel type, not many special attacks will wreck it either. OK, Water, Fire and Fighting.
 
Steelix I think is going to make the jump to OU. CurseLix laughs at any physical attacks, and with Careful 252/252, plus Steel type, not many special attacks will wreck it either. OK, Water, Fire and Fighting.

I was thinking this when i saw steelix got curse.

G/S/C set or what ? haha. Shame the slower PHazer always goes last now, in G/S/C the slower PHazer went FIRST which means Curse and Roar were pretty nasty.

Anyways, Nasty Plot Darkrai, im really not looking forward to facing that....at all.

And heaven forbid if Heracross gets Ice Punch or Zen Headbutt.
 
Not at all!

Lucario cannot do much damage to Cressila without Crunch. He only has room for FOUR MOVES. Let's look at them...

Close Combat is his main STAB. That stays.

Swords Dance is needed as well.

Without Extremespeed, Lucario gets revenge killed easily.

That leaves one more move availible.

Crunch is almost necessary.Without it, he gets walled by pokes like Cressila, Dusknoir, and other bulky Psychics. But he is stopped by Bulky dargons & Gya.

Stone Edge helps take on Gyarados, or even Mence. But it STILL leaves him walled by Cressy, etc.


No matter what you use, Gliscor stops them all. But...

Ice Punch beats Gliscor. You are now walled by Gya, Cressy, Noir, etc.

Thunder Punch helps to REALLY beat Gya. Great for teams that is really weak to Gya, but useless elswhere.

No matter what, ygou are still stopped by Weezing & Spiritomb.



So how is it so dangerous? The only problem is that Lucario is a dangerous switch in, as you don't know what it has, but it is in no way uncounterable.
 
Oh yeah, I forgot Weezing laughs at whatever Lucario does.

Nice to see Blaziken got a 120 Fighting attack now. but...INFERIOR TO CLOSE COMBAT

Luxray is damn loving Platinum.

Luxray w. Choice Scarf
Ability: Rivalry
EVs: 252 Atk, what else?
Naughty Nature
Thunderbolt
HP (Ice)
Superpower
Crunch

I can see this performing well in OU. You should be female though.
 
Female? Then you get walled by males. Blissey isn't switching into any kind of Superpower and Cresselia is easily taken care of elsewhere (SCIZOR RAPE) so male is superior.

Thing is, Lava Plume Vaporeon, Outrage Venusaur, Magnet Rise Luxray...

Magnet Rise's Japanese name is Electrolevitate. It uses electricity to mess with the gravity. Vaporeon didn't get Lava Plume, Flareon did. And Venusaur looks like it could go on a rampage.

The same way Pachurisu got Seed Bomb.

Pachi gets Seed Bomb because it's a squirrel, which carry acorns. Do elephants carry seeds around?

You guys are all like OMG OUTRAGE MENCE but seriously, it's not Garchomp. It has a SR weak, is frailer, is vulnerable to Sandstorm, and most importantly has Dragon Dance instead of Swords Dance. Sure it can raise its speed, but faster doesn't mean much when you don't have the power to kill things like Garchomp did. Cresselia and Slowbro take hits from Mence much better than they did from Garchomp.

Now, let me show you what it's really all about. Outrage Kingdra.

OU Kingdra @ Life Orb
252 Attk/252 Spd/4 HP -- Lonely/Naughty
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Aqua Tail/Waterfall
Substitute/Draco Meteor

Ubers Kingdra @ Life Orb
252 Attk/252 SAttk/4 Spd -- Lonely/Naughty/Mild/Rash
Waterfall/Aqua Tail
Outrage
Draco Meteor
Ice Beam/Signal Beam

Things are going to get ass-raped.

Also of note are Curse Steelix and Bibarel, Eruption Entei, Aqua Tail Tyranitar (lol Hippowdon is 2HKO'd with Rocks by CBTar), probable Vacuum Wave Alakazam, Trick on Pory-Z and Drifblim and possibly Mew, Gastrodon getting special STAB, Knock Off is on Empoleon and now legal with Rapid Spin on Armaldo and Tentacruel, oh and yes:

Scizor @ Life Orb
252 Spd (or HP)/252 Attk/4 HP (or Spd) -- Adamant
X-Scissor
Bullet Punch
Swords Dance
Roost

Scizor is a pimp.

EDIT: SPRITES HERE.

Hahaha Chingling and Tangrowth.
 
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i'm so happy for flareon =)

lucario has reached WTF status. i was so sure they weren't going to give it any of the elemental punches but they did it anyway. it just didn't make sense when lucario can't learn tbolt. pulse this, pulse that... THUNDERPUNCH SON!

seedbomb on donphan makes CB set less novelty.

nasty plot crobat has a chance!! o_o

floatzel got ice punch yay

cb flygon is back in town (woot woot)

yay mamo is no longer a punk biotch rofl
 
So where the hell does he carry those Seed Bombs? Second, no one sayng OMG MENCE!!! Only Tysplosion, but he changed his mind.

I am very glad to see to see Curse on Steelix. Very glad indeed.
 
Looks like Typhlosion got nothing. Shame. I would have liked to use Superpower over Focus Punch on the CSPHlo set.

Liking Signal Beam on Manectric. That means my Pokeradar Shiny Manectric has a 4th special attack. T-Bolt/Flamethrower/Overheat/Signal Beam. No good HP sadly.
 
Toggy got no real upgrades ='(

Elemental Punching Luke? Outraging Salamence/every other dragon? Dang... the metagame's REALLY gonna get shaken up now.
 
I'm assuming Salamence gets Outrage this gen. Just saying that it's completely unfair to Nite =-[
 
Toggy got no real upgrades ='(

Elemental Punching Luke? Outraging Salamence/every other dragon? Dang... the metagame's REALLY gonna get shaken up now.

The metagame'll live. It did before. ElementalPunchLuke isn't going to make as big of a mess as people anticipate it will, it just is initially harder to counter.

Outrage Salamence can ACTUALLY be stopped. It only get +1 attack at a time, therefore Bronzong and Hippowdon, and even Donphan and bulky waters beat it sometimes. Bronzong is the 99% counter.
 
Boy, wil ya read the other posts? I'm not gonna repeat myself, so I'll just quote:

Still, I am pleased at who got what. Vilplume getting Seed Bomb...srsly. Bellosom may have Leaf Blade (which is superior, what with higher base power & crtical chance), but Seed Bomb isn't a poor Substitute. Regardless, the BOTH suck with Physical moves, so it matters not. I'm just glad they got something,though I wish it were special moves.

Super Power on Pinsir isn't enough to make it OU. It DOES have Close Combat, but it gives the player some options. Which would you prefer, a drop in offence,or a drop in defence? Either way, it isn't a killer.

As I said, Flareon & Dragonite GREATLY appreciates Super Power. Now, Flareon has some sort of coverage. Instead of relying on Double Edge, he can use that killer physical stat much better. Yeah, he'd kill for Flare Blitz, but this should quell his appetite for a while, anyway. And Dragonite doesn't need to use that iffy Focus Punch amymoar, what with Super Power. He still has the great special movepool, and can use special attacks much more effeciently. And he can raep with Outrage.

These pokes getting the many Punches helps, too. Flygon is much better at beating Gyarados with T-Punch over Stone Edge. Lucario doesn't fear Gya, or other dragons at that.


I don't think that Platinum broke OU, just changed it. I can really see a major overhaul, but not one as negative.

As for Lucario using the Punches:

Not at all!

Lucario cannot do much damage to Cressila without Crunch. He only has room for FOUR MOVES. Let's look at them...

Close Combat is his main STAB. That stays.

Swords Dance is needed as well.

Without Extremespeed, Lucario gets revenge killed easily.

That leaves one more move availible.

Crunch is almost necessary.Without it, he gets walled by pokes like Cressila, Dusknoir, and other bulky Psychics. But he is stopped by Bulky dargons & Gya.

Stone Edge helps take on Gyarados, or even Mence. But it STILL leaves him walled by Cressy, etc.


No matter what you use, Gliscor stops them all. But...

Ice Punch beats Gliscor. You are now walled by Gya, Cressy, Noir, etc.

Thunder Punch helps to REALLY beat Gya. Great for teams that is really weak to Gya, but useless elswhere.

No matter what, ygou are still stopped by Weezing & Spiritomb.



So how is it so dangerous? The only problem is that Lucario is a dangerous switch in, as you don't know what it has, but it is in no way uncounterable.

Just cause Mence has Outrage, I don't think it'll be enough to ruin Nite. Now, his other skills can shine.He has more special moves than Mence could only dream about, and he gets Freakin' Super Power!

EDIT:AHA, TYHSPLOSION BEAT MEH
 
Um, no. As a pure DDer, Salamence is going to totally outclass Nite. Nite'll have to stop using Fire/Dragon/Ground or else he's going to be dropping in usage FAST.
 
Wow. Looks like Medicham/Gallade got a better STAB (though nobody really cares)
 
He has fighting now. As a pure Outrage user, of corse Mence beats him. But not only does he get Super Power, beating almost all usual switch-ins, he has a better special movepool and a wider range of roles. for Outraging purposes, go to Mence. But that is not all Nite offers.

Um, yeah, anything that's worthwhile to the discussion, other than a mior spelling error?



I thought Psycho Cut was better than Zen Headbutt?
 
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He has fighting now. As a pure Outrage user, of corse Mence beats him. But not only does he get Super Power, beating almost all usual switch-ins, he has a better special movepool and a wider range of roles. for Outraging purposes, go to Mence. But that is not all Nite offers.

Blegh, he's still very inferior to Specsmence, although he does have a few good special moves, Mence has a lot more advantages.

Dragon/Fighting/??? is going to be a new combination for Nite me thinks.

please spell my name right

Wow! Great job with this waste of a post.
 
No problem-o!

Was there any other Pokemon you lot were having in mind for a certain move? I was thinking Zen Headbutt Espeon, purely becuase of it being Psychic...
 
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