The new formes of Platinum- A competetive discussion

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Of course a Grass type beats a bulky water, the fire one gets Thunderbolt from form switching.

Seed Bomb Donphan???

Was there anything good that Typhlosion got?
 
When I say bulky water, the first thing I think of is Swampert, who walls the fire one hard.
 
sims796 said:
I disagree totally. Dusknoir looks fruity, damned new graphics.

I pray to God that these Outraging tutors are just rumors. The game would literally be broken, then. Seriously, dragons would rule the metagame with no problem.
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https://www.serebii.net/platinum/movetutors.shtml

Originally Posted by Fat Murkrow
I looked through the file and found these. I'm probably missing quite a few (I looked manually), but here are some new tutored moves and the Pokemon that learn those moves. I was kind of inconsistent in including Pokemon that already learn the move in Emerald, but oh well.

If it's not on here, it doesn't mean it doesn't learn the move! Sorry for any mistakes; if it sounds too good to believe, check the file to confirm.

Ominous Wind - Moltres, Suicune, Salamence, Yanmega, Ninetales, Togekiss, Altaria, Vespiquen

Twister - Zapdos, Crobat, Staryu

Air Cutter - Articuno, Zapdos, Drifblim, Altaria, Honchkrow, Yanmega, Vespiquen, Xatu, Mantine, Pelipper, Butterfree, Beautifly, Ledian, Togetic, Masquerain, Mothim

Signal Beam - Articuno, Cresselia, Regice, Magnezone, Glaceon, Espeon, Jolteon, Vaporeon, Hypno, Electrode, Manectric, Togekiss, Electivire, Starmie, Slowking, Alakazam, Slowbro, Froslass, Raichu, Jynx, Empoleon, Luxray, Bronzong, Claydol, Mr. Mime, Blastoise, Wormadam

Magnet Rise - Luxray

Earth Power - Regigigas, Whiscash, Quagsire, Swampert, Garchomp, Gastrodon, Torkoal, Torterra

Iron Head - Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Kingdra, Probopass, Magnezone, Mamoswine, Bronzong, Miltank, Gyarados

Icy Wind - Drifblim, Mismagius, Octillery, Shellos, Lanturn, Piloswine

Outrage - Salamence, Flygon, Nidoking, Kingdra, Snorlax, Gyarados, Lapras, Rhydon, Tauros, Marowak, Venusaur

Superpower - Dragonite, Flareon, Rampardos, Absol, Blaziken, Tyranitar, Snorlax, Mamoswine, Hippowdon, Luxray, Ursaring, Pinsir, Armaldo, Honchkrow, Donphan, Golem

Seed Bomb - Donphan, Cradily, Shiftry, Snorlax, Ambipom, Vileplume, Victreebel, Carnivine, Jumpluff

Heat Wave - Zapdos, Togekiss, Crobat

Dive - Politoed, Lanturn, Quagsire, Cloyster, Totodile

Trick - Porygon-Z, Drifblim

Zen Headbutt - Bronzong, Claydol, Lapras, Blastoise, Exeggutor, Solrock, Clefable, Medicham, Gallade

Gunk Shot - Toxicroak, Slaking, Snorlax, Ambipom, Donphan, Infernape

ThunderPunch - Rampardos, Lucario, Toxicroak, Flygon, Probopass

Fire Punch - Rampardos, Probopass

Ice Punch - Lucario, Toxicroak, Floatzel, Probopass, Froslass

Sucker Punch - Shiftry, Froslass, Golem, Skuntank

Aqua Tail - Lapras, Walrein, Drapion, Seviper, Gligar, Quagsire, Salamence, Swampert, Slowbro, Slowking, Armaldo, Rhyperior, Golduck, Tyranitar, Garchomp, Floatzel

Vacuum Wave - Poliwrath

Knock Off - Toxicroak, Ambipom, Empoleon, Kricketune, Seviper


Iron Defense - Armaldo

Ancientpower - Bronzor, Probopass, Marshtomp, Lunatone, Regigigas

Mud-Slap - Kricketot

Snore - Burmy

Synthesis - Cherrim

Swift - Chingling, Chatot, Luxray

Some omissions brought to attention by Everstone, bolt., hinode, Phiddlesticks, Jiggy37: thanks!


Yes, some of the new pokemon which learn the tutor moves.
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Thought this may clear up some mess

Level Up Move Additions:
008 Wartortle: Lv 40 Iron Defense
009 Blastoise: Lv 46 Iron Defense
010 Caterpie: Lv 15 Bug Bite
013 Weedle: Lv 15 Bug Bite
052 Meowth: Lv 54 Feint
053 Persian: Lv 68 Feint
055 Golduck: Lv -- Aqua Jet
071 Victreebel: Lv 47 Leaf Blade
083 Farfetch'd: Lv 43 Feint
095 Onix: Lv 38 Curse
123 Scyther: Lv -- Vacuum Wave
123 Scyther: Lv 61 Feint
134 Vaporeon: Lv 78 Muddy Water
135 Jolteon: Lv 78 Discharge
136 Flareon: Lv 78 Lava Plume
141 Kabutops: Lv -- Feint
158 Totodile: Lv 22 Flail
159 Croconaw: Lv 24 Flail
160 Feraligatr: Lv 24 Flail
163 Hoothoot: Lv 13 Uproar
164 Noctowl: Lv 13 Uproar
182 Belossom: Lv -- Leaf Blade
186 Politoed: Lv 48 Hyper Voice
196 Espeon: Lv 78 Power Swap
197 Umbreon: Lv 78 Guard Swap
199 Slowking: Lv -- Power Gem
200 Misdreavus: Lv 50 Power Gem
204 Pineco: Lv 9 Bug Bite
205 Forrtress: Lv --, 9 Bug Bite
208 Steelix: Lv 38 Curse
212 Scizor: Lv -- Bullet Punch
212 Scizor: Lv 61 Feint
213 Shuckle: Lv 40 Bug Bite
227 Skarmory: Lv 20 Feint
236 Tyrouge: Lv -- Foresight
243 Raikou: Lv 71 Rain Dance >_>
244 Entei: Lv 85 Eruption
245 Suicune: Lv 85 Blizzard <_<
265 Wurmple: Lv 15 Bug Bite
270 Lotad: Lv 25 Bubblebeam
271 Lombre: Lv 25 Bubblebeam
299 Nosepass: Lv 49 Power Gem
300 Skitty: Lv 4 Foresight
319 Sharpedo: Lv -- Feint
352 Kecleon: Lv 14 Feint
359 Absol: Lv -- Feint
377 Regirock: Lv -- Stomp
378 Regice: Lv -- Stomp
379 Registeel: Lv -- Stomp
399 Bidoof: Lv 45 Curse
400 Bibarel: Lv 53 Curse
401 Kricketot: Lv 16 Bug Bite
402 Kricketune: Lv 26 Slash
402 Kricketune: Lv 38 Taunt
402 Kricketune: Lv 42 Night Slash
412 Burmy: Lv 15 Bug Bite
413 Wormadam (All Forms): Lv 15 Bug Bite
414 Mothim: Lv 15 Bug Bite
415 Combee: Lv 13 Bug Bite
434 Stunky: Lv 18 Feint
435 Skuntank: Lv 18 Feint
451 Skorupi: Lv 34 Bug Bite
452 Drapion: Lv 34 Bug Bite
469 Yanmega: Lv 38 Feint
470 Leafeon: Lv 78 Swords Dance
471 Glaceon: Lv 78 Barrier
476 Probopass: Lv 49 Power Gem
480 Uxie: Lv 21 Swift
481 Mesprit: Lv 21 Swift
482 Azelf: Lv 21 Swift
486 Regigias: Lv -- Dizzy Punch
486 Reigigas: Lv -- Foresight
486 Regigias: Lv 25 Revenge
491 Darkrai: Lv -- Ominous Wind
491 Darkrai: Lv 29 Faint Attack
491 Darkrai: Lv 75 Nasty Plot
492 Shaymin (Both Formes): Lv -- Growth
492 Shaymin (Both Formes): Lv 82 Sweet Kiss
492 Shaymin (Land Forme): Lv 91 Healing Wish
492 Shaymin (Sky Forme): Lv 28 Quick Attack
492 Shaymin (Sky Forme): Lv 64 Air Slash
492 Shaymin (Sky Forme): Lv 91 Leaf Storm
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Already posted this in raters guild, but i might aswell post it here too.


EDIT : Sims, Plume got seed bomb ^_^ lol
 
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Absolutely unacceptable. Sure, Tauros & Venasaur (wtf) & possibly Gyarados could use it, but Salamence makes Dragonite useless.

I'm sorry, I'm just too happy. Plume gets Seed Bomb! Sure, it's no Leaf Blade, but it doesn't make sense if he got it. Now he & Bella could use Swords Dance without totally sucking! To hell with Mence, these two are uber matierial!!!
 
Wow, Donphan got Seed Bomb but half of the Grass types didn't?

OHSNAP, MY KYOGRE CAN'T LEARN SURF

OH LOOKY! INFERNAPE GOT ANOTHER RANDOM MOVE!!!

And Typhlosion wasn't even mentioned once on here. That's destroyed whatever interest I had in the game now.

(In the Borderline house)
Hello Dragonite! Coming to stay for eternity are you...
*Dragonite cries, I would too*
 
Well, Nite does have acess to the Pawnches...

This list isn't finalized. If we are lucky, Nite could get akiller new move that decimates the compettition...like Seed Bomb...
 
And Salamence gets Leaf Blade.

I really hope Typhlosion gets Outrage. After all, they give it to the Pokemon who can lose their temper easy, and Typhlosion stuff about it losing its cool all around the Johto Pokedexes.
 
sims796 said:
Well, Nite does have acess to the Pawnches...

This list isn't finalized. If we are lucky, Nite could get akiller new move that decimates the compettition...like Seed Bomb...
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Yeah its not complete i bolded and underlined that part =p.

So i could well be that one heck of alot more pokemon get these moves.


Ice Punch Lucario and Heat Wave Zapdos seem nifty, hmmm.

Im also kinda glad forry got a stab bug move, stab steel is ass =/.
 
Some thoughts:

Signal Beam on Manectric is cool, adding Dark/Psychic coverage for him :)

Luxray got some love, gaining Superpower (gg Clefable) and Magnet Rise (WTF?!). Now all we're missing is Volt Tackle... :)

Salamence got a LOT of love, gaining Outrage (gg Dragonite, now banished to the realm of gimmick sets) and Aqua Tail (somewhat useful)

I already mentioned Donphan getting Seed Bomb. I'm looking forward to using CB Donphan when Garchomp comes back (which he will with all of these tutor moves messing things up).

Kingdra with Outrage is cool :)

zomg Zapdos and Crobat get Heat Wave. Specs Zapdos just got 10x better.

Lucario gets TPunch and IPunch... SD Lucario even more dangerous now?

A lot of Aqua Tail around... Garchomp, Rhyperior, Armaldo, Ttar, etc.

Some pokes gaining Knock Off is kinda cool... interesting to see what Empoleon can do, especially with all these Outrages running around.

Victreebel/Vileplume/Bellossom now have some semblance of a chance with an SD set with Seed Bomb/Leaf Blade :)

Lols GF gave Flareon Lava Plume just to make everyone cry :(

Ok, wtf. Why would you give Umbreon Guard Swap?? I suppose it might be useful in Double Battles?

Bug Bite on Forretress ftw. Scrub you Celebi! :)

Scyther/Scizor get Bullet Punch. :)

Curse Bibarel ftw :)

Lols Kricketune got a lot of love. Why GF? Why waste your time? :(

Darkrai with Nasty Plot. 'Nuff said.

Shaymin sky forme with all sorts of ridiculous moves. 'Nuff said.
 
Well, Leaf Blade Salamence does beat all the other pokes around...

Hopefully, they will help D-Nite out a bit. If they cuold just give him Ice Pawnch.

But he does boast a better mixed set than Mence, what with Ice Beam, Thunder[Bolt], as well as Outrage & DD. I feel that even if Mence get's Outrage, it will result in some more sets for Dragonite, rather than him being bumped off.

EDIT:RAICHU SIGNAL BEAM?!?!?! OH, HELL YEAH
 
I think those who are making Platinum are trying to f off us competitive battlers on purpose.

Ah, sorry about the language.
 
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Wait, Flareon & Dragonite both get Super Power!!!!

That really helps them out alot! I mean, Flareon may still be in uu, & Flare Blitz would help moar, but Super Power helps out a bunch!!

T-Pawnch helps Flygon beat Gyarados, so that boosts him up.

Out of all the Sinnoh starters, Empoleon benifitted most. Nape got Gunk Shot, I mean, WTF, & Terra got Earth Power, despite having EarthQUAKE.

I'm pretty pleased with the list so far, it definately changes the metagame,but maybe not for the worst. I would love to see more variety in these pokes, & this may give it to them.
 
Thing is, Lava Plume Vaporeon, Outrage Venusaur, Magnet Rise Luxray, Seed Bomb Donphan...they all make no sense...

What I find odd is, Typhlosion got T-PAUNCH in Emerald, but not Platinum.
 
Re-read the list. He said that

1)He manually tested it, so there may be pokes that he missed, &

2)He OMITTED pokes that learned the move in Emerald. Snorlax gets Ice Punch, but they left him out, too.

Sure, they may have pokes on there that makes no sense, but they hit many moves that we would KILL for. I mean, Flareon got Super Power! That just boosts him up to actually being useful! Same with Nite, being the only dragon to get it. He can now be fully Banded, without needing Fire Blast. Super Power is a great way for SpecsNite (who still has more moves) to beat Blissey.

Besides, the game is for kids. That means there will be some things that makes no sense (srsly, Lava Plume?). But we should count our blessings.

Super Power Tysplosion FTW!!!
 
If only...then Blissey wouldn't be having such a good time...

Ah yeah, forgot about omissions...explains Weavile not being on the Ice Punch tutor list...

Permission to laugh @ Entei's Eruption.
 
According to a little reading on Smogon, Hypnosis is back down to 60 accuracy. Not sure, but that's what I read. =P Plus Bullet Punch Scizor. Platinum just hates on Gengar.

Outrage Mence, Ice Punch Lucario... is nothing sacred? D: To be honest, I'm really hoping that somewhere there'll be an environment untouched by Platinum's evil. Sure, the Rotom formes look cool, but after that it's just more blurring of the metagame that I'm not sure I want.
 
Just be damn lucky Lucario didn't get the lot. Seriously, the overpopular dog thing got too much stuff. I think Platinum broke OU.
 
Permission granted.

Still, I am pleased at who got what. Vilplume getting Seed Bomb...srsly. Bellosom may have Leaf Blade (which is superior, what with higher base power & crtical chance), but Seed Bomb isn't a poor Substitute. Regardless, the BOTH suck with Physical moves, so it matters not. I'm just glad they got something,though I wish it were special moves.

Super Power on Pinsir isn't enough to make it OU. It DOES have Close Combat, but it gives the player some options. Which would you prefer, a drop in offence,or a drop in defence? Either way, it isn't a killer.

As I said, Flareon & Dragonite GREATLY appreciates Super Power. Now, Flareon has some sort of coverage. Instead of relying on Double Edge, he can use that killer physical stat much better. Yeah, he'd kill for Flare Blitz, but this should quell his appetite for a while, anyway. And Dragonite doesn't need to use that iffy Focus Punch amymoar, what with Super Power. He still has the great special movepool, and can use special attacks much more effeciently. And he can raep with Outrage.

These pokes getting the many Punches helps, too. Flygon is much better at beating Gyarados with T-Punch over Stone Edge. Lucario doesn't fear Gya, or other dragons at that.


I don't think that Platinum broke OU, just changed it. I can really see a major overhaul, but not one as negative.
 
Becuase Lucario can't really be countered anymore and Salamence is the new Garchomp with its Outrage, yeah, OU isn't broke eh?

Just be lucky we didn't get Recover Bronzong and Dusknoir.

Oh yeah...lol
 
What? Lucario is still slow as dirt, & X Speed doesn't always save him. Without Crunch, SD Lucario is still walled by Cressila, & if it forsakes X-Speed, any faster sweeper stops it. Ice Punch means Gliscor isn't safe, but now others are. He only has four move spaces, and if he loses Crunch, Cressy, Gengar, etc, could stop him. And let's not forget, Weezing beats it no mattter what it uses.

And Salamence isn't as bulky as Garchomp, he lacks Sand Veil, and is still suspect to a good Revenge killer like Weavile. Not to mention the fact that he is still walled by steels. He's only a faster D-Nite. In fact, Lucario helps keep Mence in check.

They got great updates, but nothing game breaking. As I said, it is far too early to start calling OU broken. Other pokes had great improvements as well.
 
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