5th Gen The Starter Discussion Thread

[Devil Flamingo]

Here's my planned Jaroda (when English White comes out; the one in Black will have whatever just for fun, XD).

Smuglord (Perversity)
timid @ leftovers

- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Hidden Power
- Leaf Storm

With LF's boost, HP should become fairly decent, and meanwhile I can stall the battle away with SubSeeding, unless of course I have to switch...

That will be my standard Jaroda set, though I might raise an Overgrow one (with Coil, Leaf Blade, Dragon Tail and Glare/Mean Look) just because it gets all those cool moves. :D

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

/facepalm D:


I wonder what else would be viable on it then, if you run perversity on it. Leaf Storm, maybe Glare/Substitute, and Dragon Tail, and a decent Hidden Power, Maybe Ice or Fire.

I'll go for Substitute, it has excellent speed so I don't think it needs Glare to slow down the opponents with palazysis and give it Left overs to heal the energy it used up on Substitute :)

 

[Livewire]

I'll go for Substitute, it has excellent speed so I don't think it needs Glare to slow down the opponents with palazysis and give it Left overs to heal the energy it used up on Substitute :)

Id run a LS/Substitute/Hidden Power Fire or Ice/Leech Seed set on mine, boost through perversity with LS, sap the foe's HP with Leech Seed, then fry other pokes with perversity LS boosted Hidden Powers. ^^

Otherwise, on an Overgrow Set, Id do Leaf Blade/Dragon Tail/SD or Coil/and Aerial Ace or something.

 

[King Gumball]

I'm guessing you meant Physical for one of those places you wrote Special...?

But why wouldn't you run Leaf Storm on a Jaroda? With the ability Overgrow, I understand why SolarBeam is slightly better, because the Special Attack drop can be disadvantageous. But with the Contrarian/Perversity ability, Leaf Storm seems to clearly be the superior choice over SolarBeam. You don't have to wait 2 turns to execute, you deal higher damage, and you get "Nasty Plot" as a secondary effect!

Oh lol yes I meant physical attack.


I was talking about Overgrow Jarooda, not Perversity Jarooda.

If you have an Overgrow Jarooda than Solar beam is more useful than Leaf Storm, as Leaf Storm would lower all its stats. And Sunnyday can be useful as it means that Jarooda can use solar beam as many times as it wants.

Devil Flamingo:-- I would just sub Jarooda if it were up against a fire type. Leaf Storming a fire type, even with perversity will be extremely ineffective.

I am surprised Jaroda cant learn dragon pulse as a TM. I would teach it Grass Knot then, so it can cause some serious damage to heavy fire types, if you can't sub.

 

[Ho-Oh]

Jaroda isn't a dragon type though, so, learning Dragon Dance as a TM doesn't exactly make sense - even if it does look like one. D:

It's like how Daikenki should learn Brick Break, but then again, Pokemon doesn't make sense!

 

[Abyssumi]

Jaroda isn't a dragon type though, so, learning Dragon Dance as a TM doesn't exactly make sense - even if it does look like one. D:

It's like how Daikenki should learn Brick Break, but then again, Pokemon doesn't make sense!

dont forget gyarados learns dragon dance.

but dragon dance as a a tm is news to me!

also i love daikenki but how does the little samurai otter evolve into the big sea lion thing?

 

[Ho-Oh]

...okay good point, but still, Gyarados learns a lot more dragon moves. XD; I don't think Jaroda learns at least one, or many dragon moves.

Aaaand I dunno about Futachimaru > Daikenki, but I think something about the shell on his head is meant to relate.

 

[Abyssumi]

...okay good point, but still, Gyarados learns a lot more dragon moves. XD; I don't think Jaroda learns at least one, or many dragon moves.

Aaaand I dunno about Futachimaru > Daikenki, but I think something about the shell on his head is meant to relate.

nope the only dragon move jaroda learns is dragon tail haha

i dunno maybe futachimaru evolving into daikenki is based on some legend or something

EDIT: mijumaru is catching up to pokabu on the poll :)

 

[PlatinumDude]

nope the only dragon move jaroda learns is dragon tail haha

i dunno maybe futachimaru evolving into daikenki is based on some legend or something

EDIT: mijumaru is catching up to pokabu on the poll :)

Actually, Jaroda learns 1 more Dragon move: Twister, but only by breeding (but then again, it's not very useful, so yeah).

 

[Makbets]

I would choose Tsutarja, but when I saw episode 2...then I would pick Mijumaru! :)

 

[Devil Flamingo]

Forever, what King Gumball said was that he should learn Dragon Pulse, not Dragon Dance, XD. Anyways, the only reason he cannot is because Dragon Pulse is not a TM, so Pokemon like Sceptile, which could learn it before, cannot learn it now. In the future, if Dragon Pulse becomes a TM again, both Sceptile and Jaroda will get it I'm sure.

As for Dragon Dance itself, Jaroda doesn't really need it and cannot make good use of it anyway due to his lack of coverage, plus the fact that if he's gonna boost his stats, boosting Attack or SpA is the way to go, as he's already faster than the average fully-evolved Pokemon. :>

Speaking of Daikenki, I am very disappointed neither him nor Blastoise learn the new power-move Shell Break (it lowers your Defense and Special Defense one stage, then sharply ups your Attack, Special Attack and Speed two stages, and YES, it has been confirmed), considering they have shells. Every other thing with one (including Cloyster, the new water-rock turtle, Omastar and Torkoal) seem to get it, and Daikenki would have made great use of it...

 

[Zelda]

After watching the first two episodes, I figured Mijumaru is a stalker has grown to me a little more than Tsutaja. I'm still currently debating between the two, but I have plenty of time on my side to decide the one I will choose, since I'll be waiting for the English version. Still nonetheless, both have epic designs and I love their animations in-game. I've noticed Tsutaja has the arrogant and superior style (as obvious as it is) while Mijumaru is quite timid and serene. The same happens to be for their animations; Tsutaja tapping its foot with its arm crossed and Mijumaru swaying its arms looking very gentle. :3

Before I mentioned how rough the starters last evolution appeared, but they've grown on to me. They fit a personality as all the starters from the past do as well and I'll happily choose one when I receive the games. :)

 

[King Gumball]

I want to watch the first episodes -_- But I am Australian so I don't know where I can watch them here.... I think I will still pick Jarooda's little evo, because it looks cool and it is fast. It reminds me of the Medusa in Clash of the Titans.. (I might call it Medusa then.

 

[fenyx4]

Forever, what King Gumball said was that he should learn Dragon Pulse, not Dragon Dance, XD. Anyways, the only reason he cannot is because Dragon Pulse is not a TM, so Pokemon like Sceptile, which could learn it before, cannot learn it now. In the future, [S-HIGHLIGHT]if Dragon Pulse becomes a TM again, both Sceptile and Jaroda[/S-HIGHLIGHT] will get it I'm sure.

As for Dragon Dance itself, Jaroda doesn't really need it and cannot make good use of it anyway due to his lack of coverage, plus the fact that if he's gonna boost his stats, boosting Attack or SpA is the way to go, as he's already faster than the average fully-evolved Pokemon. :>

[S-HIGHLIGHT]Speaking of Daikenki, I am very disappointed neither him nor Blastoise learn the new power-move Shell Break (it lowers your Defense and Special Defense one stage, then sharply ups your Attack, Special Attack and Speed two stages, and YES, it has been confirmed), considering they have shells. Every other thing with one (including Cloyster, the new water-rock turtle, Omastar and Torkoal) seem to get it, and Daikenki would have made great use of it...[/S-HIGHLIGHT]

Argh...Daikenki I can sort of understand not getting Shell Break as an ability, because the shell doesn't look like it is primarily for defense (its Dream World ability, Shell Armor, suggests otherwise, though)

However, Blastoise not getting Shell Break is crap. If a fire turtle can get it (which sort of doesn't make sense), then a "sea/water" turtle should be able to get it by all means! And I just noticed, Lapras, Torterra, and Shuckle don't get it either! WTF?!

I like the mechanics behind Shell Break, though; very innovative. A twist from the normal 2-stat boost, you're allowed to boost a third stat at the cost of lowering 2 others. But the odd thing is that shelled Pokemon have to withstand a defensive drop for a rise in power, while butterflies using Butterfly Dance get boosts without any adverse drops!

Dragon Pulse losing its TM status is crap as well. At least Dragon Claw is still up there, but the move in particular doesn't help specialized or serpentine Dragon-type or dragonlike Pokemon. *sigh* Maybe the RSE remakes could change things...

 

[King Gumball]

Dragon Pulse used to be so awesome... I wonder if I can send it over from Platinum... Via Dream World or something.

 

[Luck]

Jaroda isn't a dragon type though, so, learning Dragon Dance as a TM doesn't exactly make sense - even if it does look like one. D:

It's like how Daikenki should learn Brick Break, but then again, Pokemon doesn't make sense!

Nica, weren't you just talking about how Piglit's final evolution had Boiling Water? If anything, a dragon-like pokemon learning dragon dance makes more sense than a fire-type pokemon learning a water move.

I'm just here to say Piglit got an awful evolution. Not only because it's the third fire/fighting starter in a row, but because the design is just awful. At least Blaziken and Infernape had the decency to not look like absolute garbage.

 

[Duragi]

Fire starter: EVolves into a freakin sumo wrestler. looks dumb
Water starter: Don't get me started on how horrible this is.
Grass starter: It's allright. Looks like charmander and treecko had a forbidden love child.

If I had to pick one, it'd be the grass(Allthough I'd rather start with a starly).
These are my opinions, and are not meant to insult anyone. Mkay?

 

[Ho-Oh]

Forever, what King Gumball said was that he should learn Dragon Pulse, not Dragon Dance, XD

...I should read posts fully before replying. :x

Nica, weren't you just talking about how Piglit's final evolution had Boiling Water? If anything, a dragon-like pokemon learning dragon dance makes more sense than a fire-type pokemon learning a water move.

Actually, because of what the move is based on, it makes sense (to me). And plus, Boiling Water is partly fire due to the burn effect. Actually, I don't care if it makes sense or not, it has the move either way and I'm glad :D;

 

[King Gumball]

Does any one find it weird that Jarooda is the biggest starter by over a meter? Jarooda is 3.3 m and the second biggest starter is Torterra at 2.2 i think. It looks so weird placed next to some of the other starters. And next to the trainer because it is so overly massive! https://veekun.com/dex/gadgets/compare_pokemon?pokemon=Enbuoo&pokemon=Jarooda&pokemon=Swampert&pokemon=daikenki&pokemon=Empoleon&pokemon=Infernape&pokemon=Torterra&pokemon=Blastoise
Looks at the size difference. But also the Isshu starters are the weakest so far... Other than Torterra which is the weakest starter and Meganium who only have a base total of 525. The Isshu starters have a base total of 528 each which places them at the weakest set of starters so far. :(

 

[fenyx4]

Does any one find it weird that Jarooda is the biggest starter by over a meter? Jarooda is 3.3 m and the second biggest starter is Torterra at 2.2 i think. It looks so weird placed next to some of the other starters. And next to the trainer because it is so overly massive! https://veekun.com/dex/gadgets/comp...=Infernape&pokemon=Torterra&pokemon=Blastoise
Looks at the size difference. But also the Isshu starters are the weakest so far... Other than Torterra which is the weakest starter and Meganium who only have a base total of 525. The Isshu starters have a base total of 528 each which places them at the weakest set of starters so far. :(

Can't wait to see Jaroda in the anime, then...if Best Wishes gets the size correct, that is.

On a side-note, Veekun.com just got a whole lot more awesome. That Pokemon comparison thing looks very handy. And at first all I used the site for was its breeding calculator, which even then I found through Google Search...