There's no point (not about suicide, actually)

[Penguin13]

Seriously, there's no point in posting about controversial topics.

1. People only post there to state their unwavering opinion. Just that, not even trying to convince other people.

2. No one will change their opinion, no matter how wrong or how much evidence they have against them.

3. It just creates a long-winded, pointless discussion where people are only trying to prove their knowledge about a topic.

4. There's seriously no point.

I know I'm guilty of this, but only because it's fun to debate. Some, though, are so adamant about pushing their opinion.. it's just.. bleh.

Well, vote in the poll and such. No need to discuss.. It'll just end up like all the other controversial threads.

 

[ruby]

There is absolutely a point; It gives you the opportunity to hear others people views.

While it may not change your mind about the subject you can at least learn why others feel differently.

 

[Saltare.]

There IS a point in suicide. Maybe someone wants to kill themselve cause disease, depression, or other stuff.

But there IS and ISN'T a point in suicide.

 

[doesn't matter]

No, you're not. There are always those who are unsure or uneducated who, if are open-minded, can learn something and perhaps change their stance.

And I think that's the most important part, helping to educate others. Otherwise their blind ignorance will just result in them following the opinions of others.

You sound awfully negative though, but if it's something you're passionate and honest about, you'll be sure to help someone, if not the person who you're arguing with, make an educated choice.

Skadi, learn to read the topic next time. You look ridiculous.

 

[Penguin13]

In theory, you can be open-minded about anything. In practice though, open-mindedness is just a theory. I've been reading all of the controversial topics for the past few weeks, and not once have I seen : "wow, I've never thought about it that way," or "I really learned something about this topic, I think I'll do some research and form my own, unbiased opinion."

And I do think there is a point now. Entertainment. Skadi, you made me laugh so hard.

 

[Sublime]

On your #2 bullet, I've seen many minds changed from a good argument.

Heck, even Watch that Pin, Drifloon! changed someones views on abortion not to long ago with his debating and facts.

 

[doesn't matter]

In theory, you can be open-minded about anything. In practice though, open-mindedness is just a theory. I've been reading all of the controversial topics for the past few weeks, and not once have I seen : "wow, I've never thought about it that way," or "I really learned something about this topic, I think I'll do some research and form my own, unbiased opinion."

And I do think there is a point now. Entertainment. Skadi, you made me laugh so hard.

I beg to differ. I know that I've helped sway someone's opinion.

haha, thanks .Sublime.

 

[Corvus of the Black Night]

*can see the obvious flaming here and is very angry because of it*

You can have a good argument if people actually listen to the other side. An argument is about proving your side and disproving the other. Sometimes, as the above 2 posts noted, an opinion can change in a good debate. So stop your complaining.

And no, my topic was not meant to be contreversial. It was a curiousity.

 

[Penguin13]

Flaming? Who am I flaming? Oh. The topic name? Meh. Just wanted to catch people's interest.

One of my main (unstated) points is that all opinions are biased. No matter what.

 

[Spinor]

I actually laughed at this because it was super Ironic posting something on how you see no point in opinion threads when this tread IS about opinions XD.

I think those kind of threads are actually useful for uses to express their opinions and for others to learn about them if they find their post. :\

It may be like stalking, but what you reveal to the internet is your problem.

And Skadi, if you did that on purpose, you failed at failing (no double negatation) >:|

 

[Corvus of the Black Night]

Which is what makes a good argument! If you have no opinion, there's no debate! Debates are fun to people (such as myself) because of the bias. The bias is based off of their facts, and their logic is what leads the facts to the opinions. Since everyone sees everything a little differently, it makes a debate a lot more interesting. If we all agreed, we wouldn't need to think. We wouldn't need to question others, or even our own beliefs.

I think it's quite funny to see this topic become a debate itself.

 

[Guillermo]

You know what's funny? This is pretty much an argument right here.

Debating can be good fun, and most people do it for that sole reason. Something I don't understand is point #2 and #3. Isn't point 3 basically what debating is about? Exchanging views on something so we can come to a conclusion. Number 2 is just plain stupid. I know for one that I've changed peoples views of things, friends of mine have and especially people like teachers do it on a daily basis.

We use debating in every day life, even if you don't realise it.

 

[Metatron]

Well, it's not like we can do away with people's opinions entirely on this forum. We're not fascists =X

But yeah, I totally understand what you mean, and I feel the same way. I understand having threads around particular topics that may lead to a "debate." Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But lately I've been seeing a bit more than that; certain members here seem to be very intolerant to those with views conflicting with theirs. We just need to all respect each other's differences a bit more here, as cliche as that might sound. Just because you may think you know what you're talking about, doesn't automatically make you "right." Not everything is black and white all the time, and I feel like a handful of people here have yet to realize that =/

I know that I've actually received negative reputation before because the person who neg-repped me didn't agree with my point-of-view. I mean, what the hell?

 

[doesn't matter]

I know that I've actually received negative reputation before because the person who neg-repped me didn't agree with my point-of-view. I mean, what the hell?

I have too, and the saddest thing about that is that they obviously weren't ballsy enough to voice their opinion in the thread.

 

[Aurafire]

When you're passionate about a particular issue, you're naturally incline to want to share your opinion with others, especially if you know you can make a good case and perhaps even change a few minds. While there may not be a specific point to debates, they are indeed fun and usually very informative. They don't have to get out of hand as long as people are expressing their points calmly and clearly. Sure, people might get a little heated at times, but that's to be expected when we're talking about controversial topics.

So basically, we don't need debates, but they're entertaining, and honestly, people don't get that crazy about hot topics around here. I mean, the abortion thread has a bunch of pages of conversation, and that's one of the hottest issues out there, and the staff seemed to think that it was being debated in a calm manner. Hell, I've gotten worked up about a few debate threads in the past, but that doesn't mean I don't like to do it. People like to talk about interesting things, and hot topics are interesting.

Nothing wrong with spicing up the forum a bit, right? (We can't talk about pokemon ALL the time =x)

 

[ShinjisLover]

No, you're absolutely wrong. People just like to hear other people's opinions.

 

[Soul Eater]

I have to agree with everyone else. It's good to debate because you will learn something from someone else.

It's like when someone says Autism is fake, another person can prove them wrong by throwing the DSM-IV at them. They learn that autism is in fact real and yet someone else, will probably continue to disagree.

It's always good to try and make your point. We are entitled to our opinions and we are also entitled to educating people about something they didn't know.

 

[Mario The World Champion]

I don't know where I stand on this. There's nothing wrong with having a debate about certain topics that are a bit controversial. Like Aurafire stated, "Nothing wrong with spicing up the forum a bit, right?" Just as long as the discussion doesn't start into a flame war when it gets too heated. Sometimes, that does happen because people get too passionate about the topic, sticking to their ideals and not budging to meet on middle ground.

Most of the time, I just stay out of posting in controversial topics. I may or may not share the views being debated which might make people lash out at me for being either too ignorant or shallow.

 

[s0nido]

NO POINT IN ARGUING?? There is plenty of point in arguing! This thread itself will bring up arguments like no other! I can't live without arguing about something! (That's why I'm on the debating team.)

 

[jasonresno]

On your #2 bullet, I've seen many minds changed from a good argument.

Heck, even Watch that Pin, Drifloon! changed someones views on abortion not to long ago with his debating and facts.

That would be mine. My views were shook up in that topic. Though I think collectively a large base of people aren't mature enough to have a debate on this forum without resorting to ticki tack negative reps or blatant insults. It always gets personal.