5th Gen Third Game Speculation

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Actually I remember someone from GameFreak saying (most likely Junichi Masuda) that the whole reason they went ahead and released the 5th Generation on the DS line rather than the 3DS was because even with the release of the 3DS, they still see a long lifeline for the good ol' DS. This is very similar to the PS2 and PS3 situation. There were new PS3 games being released, all the while releasing a PS2 equivalent because the system was still very much popular.

With that in mind, I think it's very well possible that the third game will mainly be a DS game with some 3DS capabilities, if any at all.

I heard that they did that because they were pressed for time...
If they make it for the other DS there's a chance the graphics might still not be as good...

 

[JP]

I heard that they did that because they were pressed for time...
If they make it for the other DS there's a chance the graphics might still not be as good...

I haven't heard that, and even if that was the case, I would find it hard for them to publicly release that info. It would give people the wrong idea.

I honestly don't see how they can make the graphics any better without moving out of a sprite based world anyways, and I don't see them doing that anytime during this generation. Could be completely wrong of course, but this is the way I'm seeing it.

 

[The 100 Mega Shock]

Actually I remember someone from GameFreak saying (most likely Junichi Masuda) that the whole reason they went ahead and released the 5th Generation on the DS line rather than the 3DS was because even with the release of the 3DS, they still see a long lifeline for the good ol' DS.

It's far more likely because the games have been in development since before anybody knew about the 3DS, and they weren't going spend at least another year re-programming the game for the 3DS. (even longer if they wanted to make something that didn't look very clearly rushed over at the last minute)

This is very similar to the PS2 and PS3 situation. There were new PS3 games being released, all the while releasing a PS2 equivalent because the system was still very much popular.

The only PS2-exclusives since about a year after the PS3's launch date have been generally niche titles. The last big first-party release for the system was God Of War II in 2007. After that it's left on life support by third parties making quick ports of multi-platform games to the system.

With that in mind, I think it's very well possible that the third game will mainly be a DS game with some 3DS capabilities, if any at all.

I don't believe for one second that they'd see fit to cripple their next game by developing it with an outdated system in mind, when it's not likely to even be here until the end of 2012 at the earliest.

I honestly don't see how they can make the graphics any better without moving out of a sprite based world anyways, and I don't see them doing that anytime during this generation. Could be completely wrong of course, but this is the way I'm seeing it.

I damn sure hope they do, because I'm not buying a game that looks worse in-battle than Colosseum did seven years ago.

 

[JP]

I don't believe for one second that they'd see fit to cripple their next game by developing it with an outdated system in mind, when it's not likely to even be here until the end of 2012 at the earliest.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree. I was only stating it was a possibility because of the reference I gave earlier about the whole "long lifeline" of the DS. I'll need to look around again for where I read this... unless of course I somehow imagined it lol.

I damn sure hope they do, because I'm not buying a game that looks worse in-battle than Colosseum did seven years ago.

Worse in-battle than Colosseum? I'm not sure I would say that. Colosseum was after all on a console, not a handheld. There's only so much they can do, especially while on the DS. I personally love the sprite based gameplay, granted they could have done a much better job with the close up back-sprites and battle animations.

 

[Nakuzami]

1) I don't believe for one second that they'd see fit to cripple their next game by developing it with an outdated system in mind, when it's not likely to even be here until the end of 2012 at the earliest.

2) I damn sure hope they do, because I'm not buying a game that looks worse in-battle than Colosseum did seven years ago.

Duuude, you seem to be, like, a major downer ;P

1) I don't see how they could cripple it at all. It's also not that outdated, for example; i've only ever owned a DS lite. I've never played or even looked at another type of DS for more than about three seconds.

2) Well, fine then. Don't buy it. I also wouldn't think to compare the DS game graphics to other console game graphics. Especially when these games are 90% sprites that are completely unlike games like Colossuem.

Like I said, you seem to be a major downer. That's all i'll say because, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. ;)

That's all I have to say for now.

 

[Eurydice]

there is a few things i would love for the third game.

- triple gym battle for the first gym.
- give gym leaders animated sprites.

also i think (well its pretty obvious) the mascot will be the ice/dragon pokemon
and i think it will be called....um idk grey i guess.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Yeah I miss the old Animated sprites of the gym leaders...I wanted to see cynthia's flowing hair again...

 

[nchlzk]

As far as the new plot is concerned, I'm thinking something along the lines of:

-Team Plasma is going around gallivanting their "Free Your Pokemon" schtick to the various cities and towns while King N seeks out Kyurem.

-As it turns out, Unova legend states that there was a third dragon that spawned when the original split into Reshiram and Zekrom. This dragon was said to be the "shell" of the original Dragon.

-The "shell" was said to be forever hungry, feeding on humans and Pokemon to regain the lost energies of its two counterparts. This "shell" made its home in an enormous crater that was formed when the dragon split and the "shell" fell to the earth.

-This "shell" is known as Kyurem, the Boundary Pokemon. It is said that whomever controls Kyurem will be able to freeze the progress of the world.

-King N wants to capture and use Kyurem to freeze the world before its people completely take away the freedom of all Pokemon.

-When you reach the Pokemon League and defeat the Elite 4, you'll find that King N has defeated Alder. The same cutscene from B/W will occur, but this time N will use Kyurem's power to encase everything in ice and snow. You will also find that everyone you attempt to talk to will be monochrome in color and will not respond, as if "frozen" in time.

-You'll realize that you have not been affected because you are in possession of the Balance Stone. You'll proceed through an ice-covered N's Castle but find that Team Plasma is also not frozen thanks to special technology in their uniforms.

-When you reach N, he will claim that even if you had Reshiram and Zekrom that you'd still be unable to defeat him. At that moment, Kyurem appears before you in a snow flurry and unleashes a roar. N is shocked because Kyurem will not obey him. The dragon will then challenge you to battle. You have to capture it.

-N will be caught off guard and say that he's the true hero and that Kyurem belongs to him. In a fit of rage, he will challenge you to a battle. His team is the same from B/W, except without the dragon. After his defeat, the rest of the scene will play out like in B/W. After defeating Ghetsis, Kyurem will use its power to unfreeze the world and Alder and Cheren along with the Gym Leaders will rush in to help only to find that you defeated Team Plasma all on your own.

-After the credits, Reshiram and Zekrom will appear at Dragonspiral Tower.

-When you first ascend, you will find Ghetsis there and he will battle you again, saying that he is the one who shall control the two great dragons. After defeating him, Ghetsis will tell you the reason why Kyurem turned against N was because you held the Balance Stone. He will then depart, leaving behind the Dark and Light Stones.

-If you re-enter Dragonspiral Tower, the stones will resonate and you will have a choice of bringing back Reshiram or Zekrom. You can then bring back the other at a later time.

wow i think this a pretty good story, i hope it is at the very least as good as this. but i think you developed it pretty nicely.

So here's a list of other things i want for the unnamed third version.

1. Option to allow the first pokemon in your team to follow you.

2. Tougher Gym Leaders. They are all too easy and let them have more pokemons please?

3. Return of the pokegear. It will be used when the C-Gear is switched off. The C-gear is rarely used since it eats up my battery really quickly and I usually play the game alone.

4. Upgrading the XTransceiver into an actual phone where the Day Care man can let you know if you have an egg or call people for rematches including the gym-leaders.

5. The first gym match should be a rotation/triple battle. If it's a new game style and the first gym happens to have three gym leaders, I really don't understand why they did make this happen. Everyone would have at least 2 pokemon even if you did not catch any beforehand. And if you did not catch any beforehand, then the two should be considerably strong which is probably enough to deal with the trio.

6. This is all personal but I think Lenora should become a Rock-Type gym leader instead. It makes sense since her gym is basically a museum specialising in fossils and it's where you go to turn your fossils into pokemon. And normal types are just so basic imo. lol.

7. I also want Iris to be the gym leader by herself since she is such a qt with bad ass pokemon.

8. Drayden should then be promoted into an Elite 4 member, replacing Caitlin who is obviously more interested in sleeping.

9. Caitlin should then be found in her villa with Cynthia and you get to battle either her or Cynthia.

10. Both Black City and White Forest should be accessible. I want the best of both worlds.

11. Bring back the contests! The musicals are so lame and don't exactly do much for the game.

 

[The 100 Mega Shock]

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree. I was only stating it was a possibility because of the reference I gave earlier about the whole "long lifeline" of the DS. I'll need to look around again for where I read this... unless of course I somehow imagined it lol.


Worse in-battle than Colosseum? I'm not sure I would say that. Colosseum was after all on a console, not a handheld. There's only so much they can do, especially while on the DS. I personally love the sprite based gameplay, granted they could have done a much better job with the close up back-sprites and battle animations.

Duuude, you seem to be, like, a major downer ;P

1) I don't see how they could cripple it at all. It's also not that outdated, for example; i've only ever owned a DS lite. I've never played or even looked at another type of DS for more than about three seconds.

2) Well, fine then. Don't buy it. I also wouldn't think to compare the DS game graphics to other console game graphics. Especially when these games are 90% sprites that are completely unlike games like Colossuem.

Like I said, you seem to be a major downer. That's all i'll say because, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. ;)

That's all I have to say for now.

Sorry if that seemed vague, but the Colosseum part was referring to Pokémon on the 3DS - a system that already boasts capabilities exceeding the GameCube and rivalling the Wii from what we've seen from good developers (Capcom and Konami in particular). It helps that Game Freak are the guys who make the real Pokémon games, the biggest sellers (even Platinum outsold Colosseum and XD) and probably get the best budgets compared to what Genius Sonority works with.

Trying to develop for both the DS and 3DS at the same time would either be a much too costly endeavour to produce two games with massively differing graphical quality (most likely separate higher resolution assets would have to be made for the 3DS), or a 3DS game that's incredibly stunted due to being developed for the DS as well.

And as it stands, sprite-based graphics are what's ending up holding back a lot of the game - not only because you can't pull off the camera tricks half as well when you're displaying sprites, but because the amount of work needed to draw Pokémon sprites (650 Pokémon front and back? Don't mind if I do.), and fit them into memory, means that quantity has to be emphasised over quality when it comes to animation in particular.

Oh and you could pull off some really cool AR (augmented reality) things like the 3DS's built-in software can if you had 3D Pokémon graphics (Package a generic AR card or even use the ? Card that comes with the 3DS, and make your Pokémon appear). It also helps enhance the actual 3D effect of the system when you're using 3D models and not 2D sprites.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I wonder if two other non Mascot pokemon will get other formes like Rotom and Shaymin did in Platinum or if Kyurem (if it even has one) will be the only one...
Part of me hopes that Keldeo and Genosect get their own formes so then all the pokemon at the very end of the Unova dex would have alternate formes maybe Genosect can get a Bug/Psychic forme (seeing as it's the only pokemon to end a gen's National dex that isn't psychic in one of it's forms)

 

[Nakuzami]

I wonder if two other non Mascot pokemon will get other formes like Rotom and Shaymin did in Platinum or if Kyurem (if it even has one) will be the only one...
Part of me hopes that Keldeo and Genosect get their own formes so then all the pokemon at the very end of the Unova dex would have alternate formes maybe Genosect can get a Bug/Psychic forme (seeing as it's the only pokemon to end a gen's National dex that isn't psychic in one of it's forms)

Eh...I don't really see a way Keldeo or Genesect could have another form...then again, I have no idea what Kyurem would turn out to be, so possibly.

But as Genesect was a genetic experiment created by Team Plasma, like Team Rocket and Mewtwo, he probably won't have an alternate form, but it kinda makes me think he will have something to do with the storyline...there might even be a small chance he could be the mascot instead of Kyurem. That would be interesting.

@The 100 Mega Shock - Okay, I getcha a little better now. You're no longer as much of a downer, but i'm still gonna call you a downer cause ya kinda killed my logic ;P

 

[DemonBlood93]

I think its about time we had the ability to create our own Trainer at the start.

 

[Bluerang1]

I said earlier that Keldeo will have another forme, one that looks stronger to match its team-mates.

 

[JP]

I don't see Keldeo getting another forme, I wouldn't even see the purpose in that. If this generation takes anything from the previous one, the only Pokemon I see getting a new forme is Kyurem so that its stats match or become greater than those of Reshiram and Zekrom (depending on what its purpose will be.)

 

[pokefan345]

I just came up with the most awesome idea ever.

TRIPLE. TAG. BATTLES.

And then in the post-game there could be this huge battle between you, Cheren, Bianca and The Shadow Triad! It'd be kinda like the final final battle after you find all the Sages for Looker, and then he asks you and your rivals to take down the Triad! It'd be so cool.

Tell me what you think about that prediction!

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I just came up with the most awesome idea ever.

TRIPLE. TAG. BATTLES.

And then in the post-game there could be this huge battle between you, Cheren, Bianca and The Shadow Triad! It'd be kinda like the final final battle after you find all the Sages for Looker, and then he asks you and your rivals to take down the Triad! It'd be so cool.

Tell me what you think about that prediction!

That would be cool :D! Though I don't see GF doing that...as they proably want to keep the Dark Triad's pokemon and identity secret (maybe until next gen).

 

[pokefan345]

That would be cool :D! Though I don't see GF doing that...as they proably want to keep the Dark Triad's pokemon and identity secret (maybe until next gen).

Um, next gen?!?! New gen = new storyline, most elements of the previous gen are left behind.

Also, if not the Shadow Triad, they could bring in some new admins, or it could be versus Ghetsis and those two oddly dressed women in N's Castle. (I didn't pay attention to who they actually were, too busy being excited about finally
Getting Zekrom)

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Um, next gen?!?! New gen = new storyline, most elements of the previous gen are left behind.

Also, if not the Shadow Triad, they could bring in some new admins, or it could be versus Ghetsis and those two oddly dressed women in N's Castle. (I didn't pay attention to who they actually were, too busy being excited about finally
Getting Zekrom)

I expect Gen VI- Gen V to have a similar relationship as Gen II-Gen I in that they were connected but that's just me...
That I can see happening, especially considering that Team Plasma is the only group without Admins since Gen I's team rocket, they need some...storming Plasma castle was easy as pie...

 

[JP]

Um, next gen?!?! New gen = new storyline, most elements of the previous gen are left behind.

Also, if not the Shadow Triad, they could bring in some new admins, or it could be versus Ghetsis and those two oddly dressed women in N's Castle. (I didn't pay attention to who they actually were, too busy being excited about finally
Getting Zekrom)

Do you mean have the two women become new admins? Or just a random new character? I honestly can't see the two ladies becoming admins, they don't seem to have the kind of attitude. They seemed much more neutral to me.

If they make a return (next gen?) perhaps we'll see CHEREN become the new admin. We'll all be like "wtf?! I thought he hated Team Plasma?!"- only to find out at the end that he was an undercover agent the entire time, trying to bring down Plasma from the inside. >=D Or perhaps the Shadow Triad are indeed the Trio Badge leaders, but they serve a similar role as undercover agents... one way or another (though I still have a hard time believing they're all related like this.)

 

[Nakuzami]

Er...I highly doubt that the Striaton Gym Leaders are the Shadow Triad. Especially since Ash will probably see them in the anime with Cilan standing right next to him -.-
Also, who says they have to have pokemon anyway? All we know is that Ghetsis saved their lives and they've been loyal to him ever since, plus they're super ninjas.
And aren't those two woman in the castle supposed to be the two godesses i've been hearing about or something?

I expect Gen VI- Gen V to have a similar relationship as Gen II-Gen I in that they were connected but that's just me...
That I can see happening, especially considering that Team Plasma is the only group without Admins since Gen I's team rocket, they need some...storming Plasma castle was easy as pie...

Well, you weren't really supposed to be storming the castle. Everyone but the Seven sages basically told you to come right on in and be destroyed by/destroy N. The Seven sages would actually be the equivalent to admins too, but as they are supposed to be a somewhat mideval group, they aren't called admins. Kinda stinks you can't battle them, but maybe in the third game?