Tools or No Tools?

[interdpth]

Let's just say this; hex editors are very hard to use for most of the hackers, also tools are easier to use, and if they're buggy then the owner can fix it. Simple really. :P

Hex editors shouldn't be hard. It's just numbers, if you can't understand numbers, then something is seriously wrong. You shouldn't be labeled a hacker if you can't do something simple as a text hack via a hex editor, or repointing addresses manually, then you seriously need to either learn how, or quit.

Tools just take the data and put it in a form you can see and edit.
But without knowing what it's doing in your ROM.
What good is it?

 

[Chimchar 9]

Hex editors shouldn't be hard. It's just numbers, if you can't understand numbers, then something is seriously wrong. You shouldn't be labeled a hacker if you can't do something simple as a text hack via a hex editor, or repointing addresses manually, then you seriously need to either learn how, or quit.

Tools just take the data and put it in a form you can see and edit.
But without knowing what it's doing in your ROM.
What good is it?

rahh neek. Even though I understand it. :/
I'm just saying it's a start for beginner hackers. Hex is probably to complex for them.

 

[Darthatron]

rahh neek. Even though I understand it. :/
I'm just saying it's a start for beginner hackers. Hex is probably to complex for them.

As interdpth said, they can't even be considered a hacker, or even a beginner hacker, if they can't use a hex editor for the very basics of hacking.

 

[Chimchar 9]

As interdpth said, they can't even be considered a hacker, or even a beginner hacker, if they can't use a hex editor for the very basics of hacking.

Well there basically hacking the rom if their using tools. Cause that's what tools are for.

 

[Tropical Sunlight]

That defines me as a guy who doesn't know anything about hacking. But I still like to hack and hack I will. 97,42% rounded up to 97% calculated of people who are in the ROM Hacking community don't know how to use a Hex Editor including me. Those who know how to do it, I included: HackMew, JPAN, Darthatron, colcolstyles, Haku., Zeikku, D-Trogh and Sebbe, but probably there are more.

 

[Darthatron]

That defines me as a guy who doesn't know anything about hacking. But I still like to hack and hack I will. 97,42% calculated of people who are in the ROM Hacking community don't know how to use a Hex Editor including me.

If those statistics are true, that is truly depressing.

 

[Tropical Sunlight]

I don't really hesitate for knowledge of the structure of a ROM, I only want to make a hack.

There, I said it.

 

[HackMew]

Well there basically hacking the rom if their using tools. Cause that's what tools are for.

Well, basically they are not.

I don't really hesitate for knowledge of the structure of a ROM, I only want to make a hack.

There, I said it.

That's paradoxical. Making a hack requires knowledge. Specialized tools would not exist in first place, otherwhise.

 

[Poryhack]

I'm not sure if anybody actually read SCV's post but as he said, there are two groups of people.

ROM hackers are comfortable using a hex editor, debugger, RAM editor, etc to do research that will eventually result in new tools. Without these people none of you would be here today; just saying. If they happen to actually be making their own hack (which it seems like most of the time they're not, because research and development is more interesting/critical to them) it would be stupid of them to not use preexisting tools whenever possible. As I said already, there's nothing superior about a hex editor when there's already a program for the job.

ROM editors use the tools put forth by either a hacker or a third-party programmer using the hacker's work. In this sense the editor is very much limited by what the tools are capable of. Now assuming all the tools are perfect and there's a tool to edit every aspect of the game that'd be fine. But that's not the case sadly. If editors really want their hack to be perfect they almost have to become hackers. Why? For all those little things you wanna do but there's no tool for, or all those times a tool just doesn't work the way it's supposed to. The existing group of hackers can't be relied on or pressured into making you tools. It'd require an unreal amount of people and dedication to just whip out every tool you've ever had a whim for, so you ought to accept that you're the only person you can rely on to get it done.