US Elections 2008: Debate the Issues

Which party are you voting for? (If you could vote...) Foreigners are welcomed.

  • Democratic Party (Obama/Biden...Your Democratic Congressman/Senator)

    Votes: 98 63.2%
  • Republican Party (McCain/Palin...Your Republican Congressman/Senator)

    Votes: 31 20.0%
  • Third Party (Green, Liberatarian...etc.)

    Votes: 7 4.5%
  • I'm disillusioned. It's all campaign rhetoric I won't even bother to vote...

    Votes: 19 12.3%

  • Total voters
    155
  • Poll closed .
I kind of agree with txteclipse, three of my cousins were murdered by an illegal immigrant. The guy wasn't deported because San Francisco is a sanctuary, and then he went and murdered people. You never realize how big an issue is until it hits close to home :/
 
Don't you get it? Illegal immigrants aren't even supposed to be here. So when 95% of the murders in LA are committed by them, my tolerance level goes straight to zero. It means they've broken the law twice: once in coming here illegally, and again for the murder. That's not racism. That's indignation at people who break the law multiple times without repercussions, and at the people who turned a blind eye when they did it the first time. You had best learn the difference.

You're ignoring the fact that by no stretch of the imagination are a substantial percentage of illegal immigrants murderers.
 
I'm Sorry all of you believe revisionist lies. I thought this community was fair and balanced but yet you believe bolshevik lies.
 
Individuals that come here illegally to seek a better life should be allowed to stay and eventually they should learn the language and they should also not kill people.
 
Argh...

I'm Sorry all of you believe revisionist lies. I thought this community was fair and balanced but yet you believe bolshevik lies.

SERIOUSLY do you even know the Truth? This is not a communist country. We are not in the Soviet Union or in China in the 50's-80's Ok? The Internet is one of the most Democratic Places on the World in the 21st Century...We are just showing opinions giving suggestions...NOW here's someone WHO'S ON THE FAR RIGHT.

Anyways I'll put the Immigration issue in the back burner because of this:

Federal Government takes over Fannie Mae and Fredie Mac:
https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26591359/

Temporary Consensus for Immigration: Legal Immigration is Great. Illegal Immigration should be debated by Congress on what we should do.


Thoughts?

Now I'm not being pessimistic but Americans did bite off more than we could chew...and See where that has gotten us MORE Taxpayer intervention.
 
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SERIOUSLY do you even know the Truth? This is not a communist country. We are not in the Soviet Union or in China in the 50's-80's Ok? The Internet is one of the most Democratic Places on the World in the 21st Century...We are just showing opinions giving suggestions...NOW here's someone WHO'S ON THE FAR RIGHT.

Anyways I'll put the Immigration issue in the back burner because of this:

Feds take over Fannie Mae and Fredie Mac:
https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26591359/

Thoughts?

Kind of necessary I guess....The two biggest mortgage companies in the country going out of business would be a flippin disaster.
 
About immigration, kicking all of them just because it's not the best option. If they come to the US (and to most of the developed countries) it's because they have no money to live. Kicking them won't solve anything, because, once they go back to their countries, they will still be in the same need as before, and they will probably try to come back. The only way to finish it is helping the poor countries.

Will the Soviet Union take over the Georgia (Europe) or will they destroy it?

...as far as I know, the Soviet Union disappeared in 1991 after Berlin's Wall was torn down o_o
 
Hmm...

Kind of necessary I guess....The two biggest mortgage companies in the country going out of business would be a flippin disaster.

But that's Socialism...
Anyways the Government is now essentially the Largest mortgage broker in the world...So now to be frank this mess is everybody's fault, Wall Street, The Government Regulators, The Middlemen (Mortgage Companies and Banks) even the General public for "biting more than we could chew" (Yes even my family's material "stuff" such as cars, credit cards, etc. are funded through loans and debt.) By living a little bit more extravagant than normal the debt of most Americans piled up that the "bubble" burst...Eh...I just hope MOSTLY EVERYONE learns their lesson and live a little bit more frugal.

About immigration, kicking all of them just because it's not the best option. If they come to the US (and to most of the developed countries) it's because they have no money to live. Kicking them won't solve anything, because, once they go back to their countries, they will still be in the same need as before, and they will probably try to come back. The only way to finish it is helping the poor countries.

That is true that is what we should be striving for. But we can't fund everything at once...so what is the short-term solution? (The million dollar question?) Just enforcing laws already streatches Homeland Security a lot.



O_o Yeah...that's also true shouldn't everybody know that through their Grade 10 World History Class (even just the Simpsons is enough) and in College.
 
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Will the Soviet Union take over the Georgia (Europe) or will they destroy it?
...Yeah, proof that No Child Left Behind is not working -_-'
About immigration, kicking all of them just because it's not the best option. If they come to the US (and to most of the developed countries) it's because they have no money to live. Kicking them won't solve anything, because, once they go back to their countries, they will still be in the same need as before, and they will probably try to come back. The only way to finish it is helping the poor countries.
Easier said than done. Our country is already trillions of dollars in debt, how do you suppose we help poor countries? Do you suggest that go into their countries and tell them how they need to act? Cause honestly we've tried that approach quite a few times in the past and it led to half of the world hating America >.>
I personally don't think we should be meddling in the affairs of other countries, at least not right now. As for imaggration, it causes over-population and many vast problems for our citzens. Illegal immigrants take jobs from our legal citizens, which firther causes us economical problems. We must deport them, even if that means sending them to starvation and pverty. It's cruel but there is no way to appease all people. Our government has a duty to our citizens first and foremost.

Edit: I just like to clarify. I think immigration is fine, but I don't think illegal immigration is okay.
 
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Heh, I don't know how I missed this thread so long.

Well, I don't have time for a full length discussion on everything right now, but I do have a quick note.

On politics: I am a McCain supporter, and I won't go into it further than that I believe McCain is the best choice for our Country. I'm not interested in debating how, why, my intelligence, or so forth.


On immigration: I agree that they should have a chance, but with that ability of being here, they should have the responsability of becoming citizens, learning our language, paying taxes, and working like every other American does.


On energy and the enviornemnt: I am a very strong believer in clean energy, and believe that we must act towards improving it. I do not, however, believe that we can change everything overnight. We need to start working on clean energy, but we must use fossil fuels so modern civilization doesn't come crashing down with no energy if someone were to just outlaw it, like how some people in the media do.

However, I am also not a believer in Global Warming. I do believe in Global Climate Change, but not in the way the media portrays it. I believe the media overestimates the effects we can cause overnight with fossil fuel emissions. (ie The Day After Tomorrow)

I feel that in the end, we don't really have a massive effect on the Global Environment on a long term scale, as the natural cycles are always at work.


Overall: Regardless of who is elected, or who's policy is what, no one can change the world overnight. So I believe who is expecting a drastic amount of change when the next president is elected is not thinking realistically.


I'll explain anything later in greater detail if anyone wants me to,


~Mooshykris
 
Federal Government take over Fannie Mae and Fredie Mac

Buy lots of gold. Now.

There has been government intervention in the economy before. In fact, it happens all the time. As long as the company accepts the help, then I don't see why the heck not the government shouldn't jump in.
 
Federal Government takes over Fannie Mae and Fredie Mac

Buy lots of gold. Now.

There has been government intervention in the economy before. In fact, it happens all the time. As long as the company accepts the help, then I don't see why the heck not the government shouldn't jump in.

Gold...Isn't that going back to the Gold Standard?
 
You've been watching that infomercial haven't you?

Do NOT buy gold from an infomercial. XD They are usually scams that either make you pay more than the gold is worth or whatnot.

Sorry for going off on a tangent, but this website seems dependable. I linked to a page that explains quickly and simply why you should have gold.
 
Yup..

Do NOT buy gold from an infomercial. XD They are usually scams that either make you pay more than the gold is worth or whatnot.

Sorry for going off on a tangent, but this website seems dependable. I linked to a page that explains quickly and simply why you should have gold.

Yes..that has been recommended on that book called "How to be Invisible" (figuratively) by JJ Luna. Hide some amount of savings in a physical form (Money of different currencies, Precious metals, gems etc. (Great if you want to increase your privacy and yeah I read "weird" books)

Anyways since were in the issue of the Mortgage mess...Top issue for most Americans right now...

What do you think about the US economy?

Any suggestions on how we should deal with this? Since by "buying out" the GOE's Fannie May & Freddie Mac this administration has essentially dumped the problem to the next Administration and session of Congress...
 
I am going to try and help define what a gold standard is. In the past the money in circulation was backed by gold. That meant if you wanted to you could exchange x amount of dollars to the equivalent amount of gold. Today however the currency is fiat. That means it has value because the government says it has value.
 
Yeah...

I am going to try and help define what a gold standard is. In the past the money in circulation was backed by gold. That meant if you wanted to you could exchange x amount of dollars to the equivalent amount of gold. Today however the currency is fiat. That means it has value because the government says it has value.

I know that...(I don't know why but I love History) and when we switched from the Gold Standard and instituted a "Floating Currency" which you could say epitomizes Capitalism since it only works if the People believe that the Paper Money is worth something...since Our current currency is just a form of a "promise". I think he was just talking about this individually as a form of savings...Not recommending that the Fed Government move back to the Gold Standard.

Anyways I was listening to "Talk of the Nation" on NPR (I know I should be doing my HW or watching "Bleach" or something....) (Check out: https://www.npr.org/blogs/money/)

And they were talking about how the Federal Take-over of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac Does not mean that the Federal government gets $5 trillion more debt since it's backed by "loans" aka your house,cars, etc. or Mortgages. And that the Governments Debt aka Treasury bonds (Currently about $10 Trillion...Our GDP is about $13 Trillion) is just a promise by the government that they'll pay it back (an IOU) and it's not backed by anything (Such as Gold in Fort Knox)...

Wow this thread has slowed down...Is the economy THAT boring...
 
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