6th Gen What effects might these games have on the series' timeline?

[Leaf Magics]

Yeah, I was a bit confused though if that was what you meant so I decided to repeat it to make sure xD.

The official site mentions that ORAS will dive deeper into the secrets of Mega Evolution. Hopefully 'Z' will retcon the XY story to add what we unearth in the remakes taking place years before.

Oh yes, that is what I meant.

And now that you say that, it makes a lot of sense to me that this seems to be the only thing out of place: if Professor Sycamore had said that Mega Evolution is seen in Hoenn as well as Kalos, it would have been as good as confirming new Hoenn games just as XY came out.

Now that Mega Evolution is going to be in these remakes' stories, it could be established in them that Mega Evolution is actually seen in many regions. After that, if they release a third version like Pokémon Z, that game could retcon Professor Sycamore's research to say that Mega Evolution has been witnessed in regions other than Kalos.

 

[Arc]

Aside from GF having to retcon Sycamore saying that Mega Evolution has only been seen in Kalos, OR/AS should have be fine. They'll obviously replace R/S place in the timeline that much is guaranteed. But, it's a good thing that the events of R/S have been rather self-contained. The only event that refers to R/S that extends to another game is Steven going to Kanto and Sinnoh two years later, even then Steven didn't really do anything important. OR/AS can't possibly screw up the timeline unless they did something really drastic.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Aside from GF having to retcon Sycamore saying that Mega Evolution has only been seen in Kalos, OR/AS should have be fine. They'll obviously replace R/S place in the timeline that much is guaranteed. But, it's a good thing that the events of R/S have been rather self-contained. The only event that refers to R/S that extends to another game is Steven going to Kanto and Sinnoh two years later, even then Steven didn't really do anything important. OR/AS can't possibly screw up the timeline unless they did something really drastic.

There was also the former Aqua and Magma grunts in B2W2. Hey...they both said they wanted to expand the Sea and Land in the past, yet these games are likely to not have both of those. So in a way B2W2 established Emerald as canon but now these two will likely destroy the Emerald canon and regain their place...unless they make Delta Emerald to keep the two teams being evil plot as in RS one was evil and the other nice and that's the way it seems it'll go for these games.

Other than that there's no issues. The evil plot was only mentioned in B2W2 actually... no one else mentioned it. Kind of funny how XY according to that GF worker takes place the same time as B2W2, it shows how a general idea of how far away in time the events of Kalos are from Hoenn's.

 

[Cerberus87]

The mess with the timeline was why I didn't want these games to be remade. :P I mean, it was so convenient to have, or believe, that RSE took place at the same time as FRLG... This is really the first time a remake requires retconning of the Pokémon timeline, because that wasn't the case with HGSS. It was generally agreed that HGSS took place after FRLG and concomitant with DPPt, not least because of the clues in both 4th gen game sets.

With the 3rd gen remakes, I believe the timeline would be retconned to make ORAS happen at the same time as XYZ. The number one issue I have with it, though, is that there are the ex-grunts in B2W2 and the fact XYZ MUST happen after B2W2, because back in B2W2 Mega Evolution hadn't been discovered yet (or else Colress' research would be moot). So, in a way, they Zeldified the Pokémon timeline. Either that, or they don't give a ♥♥♥♥.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

The mess with the timeline was why I didn't want these games to be remade. :P I mean, it was so convenient to have, or believe, that RSE took place at the same time as FRLG... This is really the first time a remake requires retconning of the Pokémon timeline, because that wasn't the case with HGSS. It was generally agreed that HGSS took place after FRLG and concomitant with DPPt, not least because of the clues in both 4th gen game sets.

With the 3rd gen remakes, I believe the timeline would be retconned to make ORAS happen at the same time as XYZ. The number one issue I have with it, though, is that there are the ex-grunts in B2W2 and the fact XYZ MUST happen after B2W2, because back in B2W2 Mega Evolution hadn't been discovered yet (or else Colress' research would be moot). So, in a way, they Zeldified the Pokémon timeline. Either that, or they don't give a ♥♥♥♥.

Well if the GF worker is right XY take place in the same year as B2W2. Also Megas not being in B2W2 is like how GSC lacks Sinnoh and Hoenn Pokémon (happening after Hoenn, yet slightly before DPP (due to the Shiny Gyarados event in Johto already happening at the start of DP) but same year).
RSE is confirmed to be at the same time as RGBY too. There's no need to retcon where in the timeline they take place. Them not taking place in the same year is the result of GF moving beyond the original games years (RGBY and their sequels (GSC) years) with Gen V and continuing the Gen V reboot in terms of moving on with the timeline. ORAS represent our going back to Gen I(and III of course) time (for the first time since Emerald) and back to the Japan regions (after six games).

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

I think the timeline is stupid. Who really cares if they mess up the timeline? The game is meant for fun. Clearly gf doesn't care, as long as they are making money. Besides, from what I've heard people say about the timeline, X and Y are not on them...

Tell that to the Zelda fanbase, who cares deeply about their own timeline. Timelines are important to make the lore of a franchise interesting, and retcons are the one tools that will destroy any key-important plot points in the timeline and overall ruin the experience, which is why it gets tiresome to see writers constantly changing Abraham Simpson's WWII days or Peter Griffon's family history. The existence of ORAS is going to make Emerald and any Hoenn-related cameos in Gen V and Gen VI stick like a sore thumb.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Tell that to the Zelda fanbase, who cares deeply about their own timeline. Timelines are important to make the lore of a franchise interesting, and retcons are the one tools that will destroy any key-important plot points in the timeline and overall ruin the experience, which is why it gets tiresome to see writers constantly changing Abraham Simpson's WWII days or Peter Griffon's family history. The existence of ORAS is going to make Emerald and any Hoenn-related cameos in Gen V and Gen VI stick like a sore thumb.

I didn't see any reference to the Hoenn in XY that is being contradicted by ORAS. For Gen V all I recall is the Magma and Aqua grunts saying they both did their evil plots (even though in RS only one did thus proving Emerald as canon) and if the PTW is to be regarded as canon, Wallace being champ (in Emerald Steven was a former champ so it doesn't contradict that).

 

[Leaf Magics]

With the 3rd gen remakes, I believe the timeline would be retconned to make ORAS happen at the same time as XYZ. The number one issue I have with it, though, is that there are the ex-grunts in B2W2 and the fact XYZ MUST happen after B2W2, because back in B2W2 Mega Evolution hadn't been discovered yet (or else Colress' research would be moot). So, in a way, they Zeldified the Pokémon timeline. Either that, or they don't give a ♥♥♥♥.

I don't think there would be any need to change RSE's place in the timeline.

Also, Mega Evolution was actually discovered a long time ago. This is said by an NPC in the Tower of Mastery.

About Colress's research, Korrina herself says that there are many ways to bring out the strength of a Pokémon besides Mega Evolution. I think Colress was researching those alternative ways, perhaps ones he could measure or test more easily.

There's also a backpacker in XY who has dialogue that confirms Colress has known about the stones in Route 10 of Kalos for years.

I didn't see any reference to the Hoenn in XY that is being contradicted by ORAS. For Gen V all I recall is the Magma and Aqua grunts saying they both did their evil plots (even though in RS only one did thus proving Emerald as canon) and if the PTW is to be regarded as canon, Wallace being champ (in Emerald Steven was a former champ so it doesn't contradict that).

I just looked at their actual dialogue, here it is:

We were going to make more land, but we realized it would cause problems for Pokémon living in the sea...
Oh! Don't tell my girlfriend!

We tried to expand the ocean, but then there would be fewer Pokémon that live on land. That might make the Pokémon in the ocean sad...
Oh! This is a secret from my darling boyfriend!

Fortunately, there may not be much of a problem after all. Of course, in Emerald both teams wanted to expand either the sea or the land, while in RS only one team was actively trying to achieve that. But perhaps, in Ruby and Sapphire, the non-antagonist team also had initially planned to expand the sea or land, realized the problems it would cause, and then dedicated itself to stopping the antagonizing team, knowing that their plans would also bring problems.

If this was so, there would be no contradiction. Both teams had planned to expand the sea or the land, and both had realized their plans would cause problems. They just realized that at different times in each version.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I don't think there would be any need to change RSE's place in the timeline.

Also, Mega Evolution was actually discovered a long time ago. This is said by an NPC in the Tower of Mastery.

About Colress's research, Korrina herself says that there are many ways to bring out the strength of a Pokémon besides Mega Evolution. I think Colress was researching those alternative ways, perhaps ones he could measure or test more easily.

There's also a backpacker in XY who has dialogue that confirms Colress has known about the stones in Route 10 of Kalos for years.



I just looked at their actual dialogue, here it is:





Fortunately, there may not be much of a problem after all. Of course, in Emerald both teams wanted to expand either the sea or the land, while in RS only one team was actively trying to achieve that. But perhaps, in Ruby and Sapphire, the non-antagonist team also had initially planned to expand the sea or land, realized the problems it would cause, and then dedicated itself to stopping the antagonizing team, knowing that their plans would also bring problems.

If this was so, there would be no contradiction. Both teams had planned to expand the sea or the land, and both had realized their plans would cause problems. They just realized that at different times in each version.

The Aqua girl said that they tried, which means that they actually went with it. Thus making only Alpha Sapphire the canon one 0_o...

 

[Leaf Magics]

The Aqua girl said that they tried, which means that they actually went with it. Thus making only Alpha Sapphire the canon one 0_o...

Only if what we see of Team Aqua and Magma's actions during the games is all they ever did, which I don't think it is. It seems that both teams had already been at feud for some time when we meet the non-antagonizing team leader in Meteor Falls.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Only if what we see of Team Aqua and Magma's actions during the games is all they ever did, which I don't think it is. It seems that both teams had already been at feud for some time when we meet the non-antagonizing team leader in Meteor Falls.

I hope that they show both their plots, even if it is only a little of the other evil team.

 

[Altairis]

I don't think that anything will happen or that the Pokemon timeline will matter at all. I think that if you really want you can put most games in whatever order you want (aside from Kanto is always before Johto and obviously Bw and BW2 because too much of the plot is centered around it being a sequel, plus it was made to be one). I believe that the NPCs that people use in order to place games in the timeline were mostly placed in there for fun instead of to put games in order. The Hoenn grunts in BW were likely just a shoutout to the Hoenn fans.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I don't think that anything will happen or that the Pokemon timeline will matter at all. I think that if you really want you can put most games in whatever order you want (aside from Kanto is always before Johto and obviously Bw and BW2 because too much of the plot is centered around it being a sequel, plus it was made to be one). I believe that the NPCs that people use in order to place games in the timeline were mostly placed in there for fun instead of to put games in order. The Hoenn grunts in BW were likely just a shoutout to the Hoenn fans.

They confirmed the time line though. Also it was B2W2 not BW that had the Magma and Aqua grunts. I don't think they need to change anything, remakes don't always have to share their time with the main pair of the generation they're being remade in.

 

[Xebelleon]

I never thought of Professor Birch as chunky.
Marvel and DC comics have had their universe fun. Let the Pokemon universe get it too.

 

[Jakeremix]

I'm confused about what you're talking about? o.o
Oh, wait! Are you referring to Pokemon Origins? If you are, then it's not really a contradiction. No one saw the fight between Mewtwo and Charizard so it could still be true that no one had seen Megaevolution outside of Kalos. We know legends of it had existed thanks to Gurkinn.
Plus I'm not sure if the Origins is meant to be canon or not?

Pokemon Origins was basically Pokemon Red/Blue in anime form. Meaning that's exactly what happened. It's sorta like a third version because some aspects of the story were changed.

 

[Pepperton]

Basically my thoughts about it is they don't follow the timeline closely, but if there's an opportunity to remain chronological in events, they'll do it. However, it isn't a priority and I don't think they take the timeline into account when brainstorming for game ideas and features. That's just a theory based on how Pokemon games have played out over the years though, and I'm not well-versed in the whole timeline. If anything, ORAS seems to be around the same time as RSE was; possibly a bit into the future.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Basically my thoughts about it is they don't follow the timeline closely, but if there's an opportunity to remain chronological in events, they'll do it. However, it isn't a priority and I don't think they take the timeline into account when brainstorming for game ideas and features. That's just a theory based on how Pokemon games have played out over the years though, and I'm not well-versed in the whole timeline. If anything, ORAS seems to be around the same time as RSE was; possibly a bit into the future.

That would technically make them sequels in terms of timeline :/
I do think they think of the timeline when looking at things. Such as referencing Caitlin not being able to control her powers (Pt) which is part of her character. So the timeline at least plays a role in some of the character's personalities. Another is Blue who is nicer in HGSS but still kind of rude, showing his growth from the prequels (FRLG) (I cite the remakes as I never played the originals to that point...). Actually HGSS' plot depended on the timeline with them being sequels like BW and B2W2's relationship.

 

[Leaf Magics]

Basically my thoughts about it is they don't follow the timeline closely, but if there's an opportunity to remain chronological in events, they'll do it. However, it isn't a priority and I don't think they take the timeline into account when brainstorming for game ideas and features. That's just a theory based on how Pokemon games have played out over the years though, and I'm not well-versed in the whole timeline. If anything, ORAS seems to be around the same time as RSE was; possibly a bit into the future.

Well, it seems that there is actually an official timeline, so it would not be just fan speculation. And even though it is not central to the main games, nothing in them has broken it yet as far as I'm aware.

 

[Pepperton]

Well, it seems that there is actually an official timeline, so it would not be just fan speculation. And even though it is not central to the main games, nothing in them has broken it yet as far as I'm aware.

Who said anything about fan speculation? I'm saying that's my theory on how they develop games in regards to the timeline. I've seen the official timeline; fully aware of its existence. d:

 

[Leaf Magics]

Who said anything about fan speculation? I'm saying that's my theory on how they develop games in regards to the timeline. I've seen the official timeline; fully aware of its existence. d:

The way you phrased what I quoted, it seemed to me that you were saying that the timeline was just theory, so my bad if I misinterpreted you. Though you also said that you were 'not well-versed in the whole timeline', so I assumed you just hadn't seen it yet and were still putting it together yourself.