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What level do you think Ash's Pikachu is at?

Has to be 100 at least, well, maybe a bit below
 
Please. PROOF that levels do not exist is how much trouble Satoshi's Pok?mon tend to have with the first Gym Leaders of the latest regions. Do you actually think Pikachu and Nosepass are halfway on to level 100? Possibly more? If levels did exist, that'd REALLY suck for the new trainers who want to get their first badge. Levels don't exist becuase it's not logical to be placed in. Not to mention, Satoshi would breeze through each region. It's all about strategy and experience.
 
:sleeping: Pokemon don't have Levels in the Anime, as Elite Trainer Raven said.

But I guess if it did, it would be 60 or somthing, Pikachu isn't that great.
 
Ash makes pika hold lightball at LV 100. He should have sweeped through hoenn. W00T! xD

Levels in the anime are obviously not logical. ;D
 
Elite Trainer Raven said:
Please. PROOF that levels do not exist is how much trouble Satoshi's Pok?mon tend to have with the first Gym Leaders of the latest regions. Do you actually think Pikachu and Nosepass are halfway on to level 100? Possibly more? If levels did exist, that'd REALLY suck for the new trainers who want to get their first badge. Levels don't exist becuase it's not logical to be placed in. Not to mention, Satoshi would breeze through each region. It's all about strategy and experience.
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Pikachu beat TWO Pokemon in a row in the first Gym Battle!!! And they were Rock Types!!! Come on!!! That's got to tell you something!!! Plus, didn't you notice that Satoshi stopped using Pikachu for awhile after that? It was because EVERYONE knew that Pikachu would walk through the first third of Hoenn. It wouldn't even be a challenge until he got to Flannery!!!
 
You do realize Pikachu didn't just blast through those two, right? I mean..you DID watch the episode, correct? Cause Nosepass was quite close to actually winning. o_O
 
Yeah, I know. Nosepass was close to winning, after Pikachu defeated the first Pokemon by 'levelling' the playing field. He didn't have that much power in the beginning of the show. Also remember that Pikachu defeated two ROCK Pokemon!!! In a row!!! There was no rest between the fights!! He was already tired from the first one when he got to Nosepass!!! And he STILL won!
 
I must remind you, SBaby, that the Anime bends the rules a little. Pikachu was able to beat Geodude (who was part-ground)-I dunno how, but it contradicts some episodes and vice versa, like in the 1st Movie. To me, it would have been easier if Pikachu iron tailed Geodude and Thundered Nosepass-but then how would they stretch that into 30 minutes?

The show's been going on since 1998 ('97 if you're genuine <_<). Pikachu gained his power through EXPERIENCE, not LEVEL.

But if you really want to know my opinion...uh...close to Level 100?
 
1) The anime NEVER stated Rock-types had the subtype, Ground.
2) Rock-types are NOT immune to Electricity.
3) Ishitsubute was using Rollout, making it difficult for most attacks to work properly. Pikachu had to destroy its footing and then use a close up Thunder attack.
4) So Pikachu won with low health, big deal. The same thing can be accomplished in the games. o_O Plus Pikachu spotted an advantage against Nosepass and pulled it off sucessfully.
5) Pikachu's Iron Tail was not perfected yet, making it difficult to use to begin with. Plus the speed Ishisubute was going at, plus the power of the attack would make it very difficult to land a proper physical attack on it.
 
1. I'm guessing you're talking about Geodude--I don't know many japanese names. Anyway, if you are, then you should know that Geodude is part-ground, which SHOULD make electric attacks useless, but Pikachu still beat it, so there's something wrong with the show...

2. Sure, levels obviously don't work in the new episodes, but this is a THEORETICAL discussion, meaning if they DID work, what would the level be?

3. As far as newbies getting crushed, you're assuming that the levels of starters in the show are still at 5. What if they're not? What if Treecko, Torchic, and Mudkip were raised to level 55 (and Birch used Everstones to keep them from evolving) to give them a fighting chance?

4. As for the level, it has to be well over 100. Remember that Ash's Pikachu has higher Sp. Atk than a normal Pikachu (why Team Rocket wants it so much), so who's to say that it can't breach the LV. 100 barrier?
 
Hard to say since ash's pikachu has kicked some serious butt, but still lost to Norman's vigoroth even though his pikachu should be somewhere around the level 89 or so his pikachu's levels grow and drop down again it's kinda weird.
 
Yes. But also remember that Pikachu's not the only Pokemon that gets stronger with each battle. All of them do. So of course there's still going to be things that can knock him out!!

And Raven has a good point. Pikachu had to destroy Nosepass' footing to defeat him, since he was running out of power after annihilating the entire environment of the Gym. So, if levels don't exist, one can deduce that he should have been able to single-handedly do that in the beginning of the series too. He just didn't know Iron Tail before.
 
Elite Trainer Raven said:
Please. PROOF that levels do not exist is how much trouble Satoshi's Pok?mon tend to have with the first Gym Leaders of the latest regions. Do you actually think Pikachu and Nosepass are halfway on to level 100? Possibly more? If levels did exist, that'd REALLY suck for the new trainers who want to get their first badge. Levels don't exist becuase it's not logical to be placed in. Not to mention, Satoshi would breeze through each region. It's all about strategy and experience.
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Actually, I believe that Gym Leaders have different teams of Pok?mon to deal with opposing trainers with varying amounts of experience. That's why Winona never used her Skarmory in that Gym battle--it would be on her team for opponents stronger than Ash. If I were a Gym Leader, I'd do the same thing. Check out this post I made at a different forum in a similar thread.

Difficulty Level: 4 (Maximum)
Core Stats: 200+
Team: Raikou, Entei, and Suicune.

Code: 
Swift         HP 19308/19308    S.LVL  0
              MP   999/ 999     Next  6588 AP
Special Attack   Aerospark
Overdrive        Lightning Vortex

Strength     180   Defense           161
Magic        241   Magic Defense     213
Agility      255   Evasion           255
Accuracy     255   Luck               22

Auto-Abilities
Break Damage Limit      Break HP Limit
Evade & Counter         Lightning Eater
Lightningstrike         SOS Shell
Double Overdrive        Auto-Haste

Break Damage Limit: Allows attack damage to exceed 9999.
Evade & Counter: Evade physical attack then strike back.
Lightningstrike: Adds Lightning element to attacks and skills.
Double Overdrive: Charges Overdrive gauge at double speed.

Break HP Limit: Allows maximum HP to exceed 9999.
Lightning Eater: Converts Lightning damage into HP.
SOS Shell: Halves damage from Special Atacks when HP is low.
Auto-Haste: Automatically doubles battle speed.

Code: 
Blaze         HP 24360/24360    S.LVL  0
              MP   999/ 999     Next 13154 AP
Special Attack   Eruption
Overdrive        Inferno

Strength     255   Defense           255
Magic        218   Magic Defense     242
Agility      255   Evasion           140
Accuracy     192   Luck               24

Auto-Abilities
Counterattack           Break HP Limit
Break Damage Limit      Fire Eater
Firestrike              SOS Haste
Triple Overdrive        Confuseproof

Counterattack: Retaliate when hit by a physical attack.
Break Damage Limit: Allows attack damage to exceed 9999.
Firestrike: Adds Fire element to attacks and skills.
Triple Overdrive: Charges Overdrive gauge at triple speed.

Break HP Limit: Allows maximum HP to exceed 9999.
Fire Eater: Converts Fire damage into HP.
SOS Haste: Doubles battle speed when HP is low.
Confuseproof: Cannot be put under Confusion.

Code: 
Chill         HP 20219/20219    S.LVL  0
              MP  1504/1504     Next 21957 AP
Special Attack   Deep Freeze
Overdrive        Aurora Blitz

Strength     223   Defense           255
Magic        255   Magic Defense     255
Agility      238   Evasion           224
Accuracy     225   Luck               28

Auto-Abilities
Alchemy                 Break HP Limit
Break Damage Limit      Water Eater
Waterstrike             SOS Haste
Triple Overdrive        Break MP Limit

Alchemy: Doubles the potency of recovery moves.
Break Damage Limit: Allows attack damage to exceed 9999.
Waterstrike: Adds Water element to attacks and skills.
Triple Overdrive: Charges Overdrive gauge at triple speed.

Break HP Limit: Allows maximum HP to exceed 9999.
Water Eater: Converts Water damage into HP.
SOS Haste: Doubles battle speed when HP is low.
Break MP Limit: Allows max MP to exceed 999.

Difficulty Level: 3
Core Stats: 120+
Team: Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres.

Code: 
Icestorm      HP  9999/ 9999    S.LVL  0
              MP   551/ 551     Next 20154 AP
Special Attack   Freezing Mist
Overdrive        Diamond Dust

Strength     104   Defense           137
Magic        140   Magic Defense     170
Agility      126   Evasion            91
Accuracy     161   Luck               23

Auto-Abilities
Half MP Cost           Defense +20%
Alchemy                SOS Regen
Double AP              Iceproof
Icestrike              Gillionaire

Half MP Cost: Halves the MP needed to use special abilities.
Alchemy: Doubles the potency of recovery moves.
Double AP: Earn twice the normal amount of AP after battle.
Icestrike: Adds Ice element to attacks and skills.

Defense +20%: Reduces physical damage by 20%.
SOS Regen: Automatically recover HP each turn when HP is low.
Iceproof: Grants immunity to Ice attacks.
Gillionaire: Doubles the amount of money earned after battle.

Code: 
Firestorm     HP  7730/ 7730    S.LVL  0
              MP   642/ 642     Next 18085 AP
Special Attack   Sky Attack
Overdrive        Burning Wave

Strength      82   Defense            57
Magic         70   Magic Defense      61
Agility      110   Evasion           115
Accuracy     122   Luck               24

Auto-Abilities
Magic +10%         Magic Defense +10%
Counterattack      Fireproof
Strength +20%      SOS Shell
Firestrike         MP +20%

Magic +10%: Increase the damage of Special Attacks by 10%.
Counterattack: Retaliate when hit by a physical attack.
Strength +20%: Increase the damage of physical attacks by 20%.
Firestrike: Adds Fire element to attacks and skills.

Magic Defense +10%: Reduces damage from Special Attacks by 10%.
Fireproof: Grants immunity to Fire attacks.
SOS Shell: Halves damage from Special Attacks when HP is low.
MP +20%: Raises maximum MP by 20%.

Code: 
LightningstormHP  6917/ 6917    S.LVL  0
              MP   408/ 408     Next  7055 AP
Special Attack   Plasma Bolt
Overdrive        Raigeki

Strength      68   Defense            41
Magic        124   Magic Defense      50
Agility      149   Evasion           131
Accuracy     160   Luck               16

Auto-Abilities
Strength +10%       Berserkproof
SOS Overdrive       Lightningproof
Piercing            Poisonproof
Magic Counter

Strength +10%: Increase the damage of physical attacks by 10%.
SOS Overdrive: Charges Overdrive gauge at double speed when HP is low.
Piercing: Inflict normal damage to armored enemies.
Magic Counter: Strike back after being hit with a Special Attack.

Berserkproof: Cannot be put under Berserk.
Lightningproof: Grants immunity to Lightning attacks.
Poisonproof: Cannot be Poisoned.

Difficulty Level: 2
Core Stats: 70+
Team: Flygon, Salamence, and Dragonite

Code: 
Greenwind     HP  5633/ 5633    S.LVL  0
              MP   292/ 292     Next  4611 AP
Special Attack   Earthquake
Overdrive        Gravija

Strength      61   Defense            60
Magic         50   Magic Defense      48
Agility       92   Evasion           107
Accuracy      54   Luck               24

Auto-Abilities
Sensor                  HP +20%
Magic Counter           HP +10%
Gillionaire             HP +5%
---                     ---
Sensor: Sends enemy data to Pok?dex during battle.
Magic Counter: Strike back after being hit with a Special Attack.
Gillionaire: Doubles the amount of money earned after battle.

HP +20%: Raises maximum HP by 20%.
HP +10%: Raises maximum HP by 10%.
HP +5%: Raises maximum HP by 5%.


Code: 
Tempest       HP  5092/ 5092    S.LVL  0
              MP   455/ 455     Next  1208 AP
Special Attack   Flameshot
Overdrive        Dragon Driver

Strength     124   Defense            80
Magic         83   Magic Defense      69
Agility       93   Evasion            59
Accuracy      60   Luck               18

Auto-Abilities
Piercing                Defense +10%
Firestrike              MP +30%
Lightningstrike         Curseproof
Magic Booster           ---

Piercing: Inflict normal damage to armored enemies.
Firestrike: Adds Fire element to attacks and skills.
Lightningstrike: Adds Lightning element to attacks and skills.
Magic Booster: Use double MP to raise the power of Special Attacks.

Defense +10%: Reduces damage from physical attacks by 10%.
MP +30%: Raises maximum MP by 30%.
Curseproof: Cannot be Cursed.

Code: 
Bahamut       HP  5930/ 5930    S.LVL  0
              MP   412/ 412     Next  3055 AP
Special Attack   Ultra Beam
Overdrive        Obliteration

Strength     137   Defense           107
Magic        100   Magic Defense      72
Agility       68   Evasion            81
Accuracy     112   Luck               23

Auto-Abilities
Silencestrike           Magic Defense +10%
Berserktouch            Magic Defense +5%
SOS Overdrive           Slowproof
Magic Counter           Berserkproof

Silencestrike: Adds a Silence condition to attacks and skills.
Berserktouch: Sometimes adds a Berserk condition to attacks and skills.
SOS Overdrive: Charges Overdrive gauge at double speed when HP is low.
Magic Counter: Strike back after being hit with a Special Attack.

Magic Defense +10%: Reduce damage from Special Attacks by 10%.
Magic Defense +5%: Reduce damage from Special Attacks by 5%.
Slowproof: Cannot be Slowed down.
Berserkproof: Cannot be put under Berserk.

Difficulty Level: 1
Core Stats: 30+
Team: Sceptile, Charizard, and Feraligatr
 
When he first got it.........

When he first got it......... it must of been on lvl 16-25......... because it didn't listen to him
(lucky Ash)
 
People just don't realize that Pok?mon only disobey if they're TRADED, do they? That level restriction Gym Leaders say in the games only say it applies to all so you don't decide to overlevel and plow right through the game. o_O It only affects the traded Pok?mon, despite what they say. And games =/= anime.
 
I'd say after 60 but before 80, because in Pokemon Gold & Silver, Ash (known in the game as Red) had a Lv. 81 Pikachu. Since it takes place three years after Ash defeated Giovanni, it could be more or less than what it is in Hoenn (of course, I myself believe the anime is canon).
 
Thine Eyes Deception said:
I'd say after 60 but before 80, because in Pokemon Gold & Silver, Ash (known in the game as Red) had a Lv. 81 Pikachu. Since it takes place three years after Ash defeated Giovanni, it could be more or less than what it is in Hoenn (of course, I myself believe the anime is canon).
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****it, am I gonna have to say this again? Red =/= Satoshi. They're NOT the same character. Red came BEFORE Satoshi did.
 
I tink Ash's Pikachu iz lvl. 81... coz in da manga dere's tis guy red... hu wuz suppose 2 b ash(if i'm nt wrong..) n his pikachu iz lvl. 81... so i guess dere shouldn't be much difference...
 
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