What will happen to Ubers?

[˚° ﺎ ﮟ סּ ﻛ °˚]

Correct me if this isnt the right place for this, but I read at the top Discuss everything related to wireless battles here, so I assumed that this was the right place for it.

Anyways, when Arceus is officialy released, in Ubers its going to be like Scizor and Heatran, but much worse. Almost every team is going to have an Arceus, and if you were to counter it effectivley, you may even need more than one due to its insane versability.

What are your thoughts?

 

[RAcastBlaster]

Haha, an Ubers ban tier? That wouldn't be unlike the suggestions of the "Garchomp" tier... In any case, if that happens and Arceus Extremekills everything in sight, well... he's god, what do you expect?

 

[Skippy the Great]

Anyways, when Arceus is officialy released, in Ubers its going to be like Scizor and Heatran, but much worse. Almost every team is going to have an Arceus, and if you were to counter it effectivley, you may even need more than one due to its insane versability.

Since when are Scizor and Heatran in the Uber tier?

 

[˚° ﺎ ﮟ סּ ﻛ °˚]

Since when are Scizor and Heatran in the Uber tier?

No, I meant that they became so common and overused when platinum came about that it just made the metagame that bit more predictable

 

[wolf]

Arceus is banned from Ubers. >.> Unless you use the Extended Time Clause.

 

[Zebra Thunderhead]

This is probably going to be better suited for Strategies & Movesets.

-MOVED-

 

[˚° ﺎ ﮟ סּ ﻛ °˚]

Arceus is banned from Ubers. >.> Unless you use the Extended Time Clause.

Yes, but I mean when it is realeased officialy by an event

 

[StrickeN]

Me and my friends who have done Ubers allow said Arceus because we really do not care.

It doesn't change anything. The hardest thing I've had to beat was a CBEspeed Normal Arceus who swept a couple pokes, but my Mew lolzed at it (special Mew made by me (H) )

 

[Dark Azelf]

Ill keep this open on the basis it doesnt break down and become overun with logical fallacies. So lets keep it that way.

As for Arceus, the thing is really hard to stop. Im mostly concerned with what the extremekiller will do. Its bulky as hell, gets recover and a massively powerful priority STAB in the form of Extremespeed move, the combination of this effectively nulls pretty much all revenge killers (Apart from possibly scarf Dialga, but i really doubt that can OHKO). I guess a combo of Giratina/Lugia and a steel wall would in theory beat it, but a crit from shadow claw OHKO's (high chance btw) the aformentioned psychic/ghosts and the steel walls have to watch out for overheat. Which again is something else Arceus has, extreme versistility.

On the other hand however i guess it would make a good counter to some threatening pokemon such as Darkrai and Rayquaza via using its countering utility set and would thus make both stall AND offense even more viable which i guess is a positive thing ?

I dont know, i would like to see it tested later down the line but its far from being a priority in terms of importance. Im on the fence with it atm, so yeah.

Mew is a VERY shakey counter stricken, it has a high chance to get OHKO's with shadow claw with sr up (this is with max hp/max def and a + def nature).

 

[d2m]

I don't think Arceus should be unbanned. It has a godly movepool, best stats, and is miles above any other single Pokemon, you'd have to build teams specifically JUST to counter him, and even then, if he runs an unorthodox set, you're boned. Any pokemon that mandates 2 or more members of your opponent's team shouldn't be usable, all it does is make the metagame boring and predictable, which OU really already is because of every team having Scalemence, Heatran, Scizor and 3 others.

This sort of thing is why I have started going into UU and NU which, while less powerful, provide a chance to use many different teams all of good viability.

 

[˚° ﺎ ﮟ סּ ﻛ °˚]

After a SD it OHKO's Darkrai, Palkia, Latias and most of the time Mewtwo by ExtremeSpeed with a Silk Scarf boost, and Mewtwo gets KO'd all the time if Arceus has a Life Orb. Im not sure but i assume Dialga and Metagross are at least 2HKO'd by Earthquake, and Mew, as D_A said, is dealt with, Giratina is 2HKO'd with a SD by Shadow Claw, OHKO guaranteed if it scores a Critical hit. Rayquaza, if not OHKO'd by ExtremeSpeed will have at least 80~90% dealt to it.

On top of all this it boasts a HP of 444 and its two defenses reach a minimum of 276 each.

 

[FalconJoker]

So just make a new clause for the Uber tier. Either allow Arceus in a lineup or don't. Pretty simple solution imo.

 

[-Leaf]

Haha, an Ubers ban tier? That wouldn't be unlike the suggestions of the "Garchomp" tier... In any case, if that happens and Arceus Extremekills everything in sight, well... he's god, what do you expect?

I Expect him not to be caught.
anyway, i don't really like arceus. its just a shape(type?)shiftin' rat... he should be banned. but after all its the moves and how you use the pokemon. right?

 

[Master Terrador]

I Expect him not to be caught.
anyway, i don't really like arceus. its just a shape(type?)shifting' rat... he should be banned. but after all its the moves and how you use the Pokemon. right?

I agree that he should be banned...but, I like Arceus...Even though hes cheap...

 

[randomspot555]

They already had a event with Arceus In japan but Arceus isnt really that good he can hold onto plates whats the big deal about him can someone explain to me??

There hasn't been a single Arceus event yet. The first one, for Movie 12, is happening this summer.

 

[wolf]

FalconJoker, there is a clause already to ban Arceus called the Extended Time Clause (I think), like I said before...

They already had a event with Arceus In japan but Arceus isnt really that good he can hold onto plates whats the big deal about him can someone explain to me??

"What's the big deal?", the deal is it has 120 base stats in every stat providing extreme bulk and speed and attack. @___@ It also has a WIDE movepool, wider than a lot of Pokemon. He ALWAYS gets STAB on one move with a base power of 100 (Judgment) because of holding a plate, it changes the type of the move also. This "thing" is so versitial that it takes a while to figure which moveset it is using, and it is hard to revenge kill due to its massive defense, plus it gets STAB on the strongest priority move in the game (unless you use a plate). No, there hasn't been an event for Arceus yet (as randomspot555 said). Movesets of how it is so strong found here (click).

 

[Sapphir]

The event is giving it out at level 100, and will have Judgement, Shadow Force, Spacial Rend, and Roar of Time.

Any person that plays Pokemon should see the flaw to giving it out at level 100, it can't be EV trained. Chances are it's never going to reach maximum stats because of this, unless you have a whole lot of berries to get rid of EVs and vitamins to replace them, that still won't be the same as training it from an earlier level.

Really, what are the chances of receiving an Arceus that has a good nature, IVs, and EVs to boot? That's a very small chance, and most likely the Arceus seen running around on Wi-Fi are going to be straight from the event, without even bothering to check if it was satisfactory or not.

I'm not saying that there aren't any people that will use Arceus to it's full potential, there certainly are people that will be able to completely sweep with it and will train it. But chances of it taking over wi-fi are slim, and I'd bet most won't even bother changing the berry for a plate.

Remember when Darkrai came out? I'd say about eight out of ten times the moveset was the same exact one that was given out at the event. I'm expecting Arceus to be the same deal, and I'm really expecting to see a whole lot of them that don't even have a plate or benificial item.

 

[Lalapizzame]

FalconJoker, there is a clause already to ban Arceus called the Extended Time Clause (I think), like I said before...

The Extended Game Clause does not ban Arceus, it actually allows the usage of Arceus. However, note that Arceus is not allowed even in Ubers.

 

[Archer]

The Extended Game Clause does not ban Arceus, it actually allows the usage of Arceus. However, note that Arceus is not allowed even in Ubers.

It also allows the ues of several unobtainable berries, iirc.

If it is at Lv100, then it will really limit what people can do with it. It can only have a maximum of 100 EVs in each stat. Even still. I'm not aware of how it would perform in Ubers, so that needs testing. Could we test it on out Shoddy Server?

 

["Shadow Lugia"]

I doubt we'll have to worry about this for a while.

It's still a few months until it can be gotten in Japan without cheating, and even then, the only legitimate one we can get can't be EV trained, since it's at lv. 100.