WHICH IS THE STRONGEST NON LEGENDARY POKEMON NOW?

[bunny24680]

Time has come to discuss this again. Now that the 6th gen has introduced the fairy type, Dragon type ain't that big. There are now more than 700 pokemon.

So which is the strongest Non Legendary Pokemon now? Think about of their stats, moves they learn,
their abilities, their type, Mega Evolutions, etc and
tell which is the toughest of all!



I can start the discussion by saying tthat I love Charizard. It may not be the toughest
pokemon, but I love it. Now that it has the mega evolutions available, it's better than
ever before. If I let it hold heavy ball, it's flying type will go and so shall it's double
weakness to Rock type. In mega evolution X, even fairy can't hurt due to Fire coupled
to Dragon. Isn't it amazing!

I may also give replys to your opinions. Remember, the replys I give are just my opinions. I'm
not trying to prove anyone wrong....

I'm happy to see that people are giving their great opinions!!!! Go on, decide who is best!

 

[Hiatus]

Volcarona is, in my opinion, one of the best out there. It's been introduced in generation five, and have fell in love with it ever since I started using. To me, it doesn't look too well design-wise (well, I mean, it sort of does--its main purpose is to be intimidating, which it actually is), but it's a lot more easy to utilize while battling than you could possibly imagine. Even if you're new to competitive scene, you should have no trouble using this Pokémon; all you'd have to do is set-up Quiver Dance, then sweep. A huge plus-side is that it's got Flame Body ability, so whenever opponents strike you with physical moves, they might wind up getting burned. This halves their Attack stat, and permits you to endure more hits. Sounds awesome, doesn't it?

Alongside, I'm also a big Gyarados fan. Like above, it's not tough to utilize; all you'd have to do is switch in, and set-up Dragon Dance. Afterwords, you'll be all ready to take down your foe; use attacks one-by-one, and take their Pokémon down. If your Gyarados has Moxie, then even better--this allows you to raise your Attack every time you defeat something, making your next move more powerful than before.

I currently have Gyarados on my team in Pokémon Y, and am extremely satisfied. Its moveset consists of Dragon Dance, Earthquake, Stone Edge, and Waterfall. With this, it could cover a variety of types all on its own. As far as its mega-evolution go, I personally haven't tried it much, sadly. Really should familiarize myself with it!

 

[Megan]

I would say Gengar. Not because it's the best in offense or defense (which it definitely is not), but because it's the only Pokemon consistently being in OU (now that Starmie dropped). Every time the metagame changed, Gengar still managed to find it's place in OU and now with Mega Evolution introduced it even haunts Ubers to no end.

 

[bunny24680]

Volcarona is, in my opinion, one of the best out there. It's been introduced in generation five, and have fell in love with it ever since I started using. To me, it doesn't look too well design-wise (well, I mean, it sort of does--its main purpose is to be intimidating, which it actually is), but it's a lot more easy to utilize while battling than you could possibly imagine. Even if you're new to competitive scene, you should have no trouble using this Pokémon; all you'd have to do is set-up Quiver Dance, then sweep. A huge plus-side is that it's got Flame Body ability, so whenever opponents strike you with physical moves, they might wind up getting burned. This halves their Attack stat, and permits you to endure more hits. Sounds awesome, doesn't it?

Alongside, I'm also a big Gyarados fan. Like above, it's not tough to utilize; all you'd have to do is switch in, and set-up Dragon Dance. Afterwords, you'll be all ready to take down your foe; use attacks one-by-one, and take their Pokémon down. If your Gyarados has Moxie, then even better--this allows you to raise your Attack every time you defeat something, making your next move more powerful than before.

I currently have Gyarados on my team in Pokémon Y, and am extremely satisfied. Its moveset consists of Dragon Dance, Earthquake, Stone Edge, and Waterfall. With this, it could cover a variety of types all on its own. As far as its mega-evolution go, I personally haven't tried it much, sadly. Really should familiarize myself with it!

Gyarados has amazing attack! However, it doesn't learn much moves on it's own-we need TMs
more. I believe it's flying type is a big disadvantage. I mean it makes it quite weak to Electric. I
wish it was water/Dragon as it looks very draconic. In maga evolution too, they made it water/Dark, not dragon though it should have been!!!!!

Volcarna is like GOD of BUG POKEMON. Awesome special stats and like you said, Flame body ability
is very effective in battles.!

I would say Gengar. Not because it's the best in offense or defense (which it definitely is not), but because it's the only Pokemon consistently being in OU (now that Starmie dropped). Every time the metagame changed, Gengar still managed to find it's place in OU and now with Mega Evolution introduced it even haunts Ubers to no end.

Gengar is like one of my favourite pokemon. Though it's defenses are OK, it's special attack is very good and it learns a variety of attacks. I specially like to use combination of DREAM EATER and
HYPNOSIS!!!

 

[Hiatus]

Gyarados has amazing attack! However, it doesn't learn much moves on it's own-we need TMs
more. I believe it's flying type is a big disadvantage. I mean it makes it quite weak to Electric. I
wish it was water/Dragon as it looks very draconic. In maga evolution too, they made it water/Dark, not dragon though it should have been!!!!!

Volcarna is like GOD of BUG POKEMON. Awesome special stats and like you said, Flame body ability
is very effective in battles.!

Well, your main strategy is to not switch in while any electric-types are on opposing field. Once that's settled, set-up Dragon Dance, and proceed with whatever you have to--you should be all fine!

 

[Volcarona1996]

As the username suggests, volcarona all the way, for all the reasons mentioned above

Also Togekiss is a pretty solid 'mon. Amazing paraflincher and gets the fairy type, can also hold its own really well, and can deal with almost all of its weaknesses with ease. Rock, Ice, Steel - Aura Sphere. Poison - sucks offensively and many usable ones like venusaur and scolipede are weak to flying. Only real threat is electric-types. Togekiss has almost-flawless typing in general, especially the immunity to 2 of the best offensive types, dragon and ground. Only real flaws are the electric weakness and the limited fairy-type move pool (only good fairy move it gets is dazzling gleam via tm) but its got so many good points that these flaws are hardly noticeable.

 

[Rosehip]

Well, seeing as how Mega Lucario was banned to the Ubers tier by Smogon for its stats and ability, I'd say that puts it up there on the strongest Pokemon list. Really, to be able to use Mega Lucario, all you need is Close Combat. It's that powerful. If I'm keep going the Mega route, then Mega Mawile is also a really strong Pokemon, with Huge Power and an impressive physical movepool to boot, Mawile's kicked itself up through the competitive tiers, all the way from the bottom. If I could get away from the Mega topic, then probably Landorus or Volcarona. Both make really good special attackers, with Landorus being capable of making good use of Sheer Force and Volcarona using Quiver Dance, they can both inflict massive damage with their great stats and moves.

 

[marcc5m]

Every Pokemon has its weaknesses.

Except Metapod.

Let's be honest here...

Who wants to mess with a green nose-cocoon that can shoot string all over your face and harden it's body to the point where it's skin becomes completely impenetrable?

Yeah. You see a Metapod? You run the other way.

 

[Nah]

As much as I'd like to jump on the Volcarona wagon, I can't. It's by far my favorite Bug type, but that nasty 4x Rock weakness really sucks, as does the fact that most Fire types wall it.

But you could consider Aegislash to be one of the most powerful non-legendaries. Versatile as hell, has great (offensive) typing, King's Shield can be pretty damn useful, and it's basically like 2 Pokemon in one with Stance Change.

 

[Pryze]

I would probably have to say Scizor. It has great typing, a great ability in Technician, strong priority, access to a STAB scouting move, a good movepool, decent stats all-around, a reliable recovery move in Roost, is able to trap with Pursuit, a good boosting move, a good mega, and-

I'll stop there, but I could go on for ages. Basically, Scizor is the kind of Pokemon that can take on just about anything you throw at it. Except for Fire-types.

 

[SmashBrony]

It is my understanding that the most powerful non-legendary (& possibly the most powerful pokemon period)
is Blaziken.

It's history:

When it first appeared in the 3rd gen, it was a fearsome mixed attacker, but wasn't considered top-tier,
but it did live comfortably in OU.

However, gen 4 came & introduced Inferenape, which could everything Blaziken could, but better.
So for awhile, Blaziken wasn't used in the higher tiers.

Gen 5 came & turn things around COMPLETELY for the fighting chicken with the burning fists.
Though the Dream World, it was given Speed Boost as it's hidden ability, which fixed the problem
it once had, which was it's middling 80 speed stat.
Not only did Speed Boost fix it's speed problem, but it also ended up making Blaziken the very first
starter to ever get banned to UBER.
This is because after a couple of turns, Blaziken could pretty much outspeed anyone & it's
130 attack is very good, especially after a Swords Dance.
It's good enough that even the most defensive pokemon takes a LOT of damage.
Also, I belive this was the gen that it got High Jump Kick, which base power was inceased to 130.

& things only got better for it in gen 6, which introduced some up-grades:
A buffed-up Knock Off, which it uses to hurt & cripple pokemon that'd normally spell
it's doom, such as Lati@s & Tentacruel.
& it got a Mega Evolution that is lacking only slighty in power compared to Life Orb Blaziken but is about 10% more durable,
doesn't have recoil other than the one from Flare Blitz & is faster, so it starts outspeeding other speed demons sooner.
Plus, it's Ability is Speed Boost by default, so it's not required for it's standrad form to have the ability.

Blaziken @ Blazikenite
Adamant natured
252 Attack & Speed, 4 HP
~Swords Dance
~High Jump Kick
~Flare Blitz
~Knock Off

IIRC, this is all you need to dominate anywhere that's it's allowed, as long you use it right.

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[bunny24680]

As the username suggests, volcarona all the way, for all the reasons mentioned above

Also Togekiss is a pretty solid 'mon. Amazing paraflincher and gets the fairy type, can also hold its own really well, and can deal with almost all of its weaknesses with ease. Rock, Ice, Steel - Aura Sphere. Poison - sucks offensively and many usable ones like venusaur and scolipede are weak to flying. Only real threat is electric-types. Togekiss has almost-flawless typing in general, especially the immunity to 2 of the best offensive types, dragon and ground. Only real flaws are the electric weakness and the limited fairy-type move pool (only good fairy move it gets is dazzling gleam via tm) but its got so many good points that these flaws are hardly noticeable.

I think Togekiss can learn psychic moves too so it can handle poison type too!

Well, seeing as how Mega Lucario was banned to the Ubers tier by Smogon for its stats and ability, I'd say that puts it up there on the strongest Pokemon list. Really, to be able to use Mega Lucario, all you need is Close Combat. It's that powerful. If I'm keep going the Mega route, then Mega Mawile is also a really strong Pokemon, with Huge Power and an impressive physical movepool to boot, Mawile's kicked itself up through the competitive tiers, all the way from the bottom. If I could get away from the Mega topic, then probably Landorus or Volcarona. Both make really good special attackers, with Landorus being capable of making good use of Sheer Force and Volcarona using Quiver Dance, they can both inflict massive damage with their great stats and moves.

Landorus is legendary so we can't consider it. But yeah like i said before, Volcarna is like a GOD bug
pokemon with movepool of powerful moves! Lucario is great especially because of it's speed and
attack! I find the only problem that being steel, it's weak to fire and fire pokemon has high special attacks but lucario has ok-ok special defense...

 

[Polar Spectrum]

Stunfisk. Hands down.

Hahah okay, but since he's kinda overpowered, I'll name off a few others that don't quite stack up, but still stand out.

Togekiss.

Its got bulk. It's got offense. It's got decent speed, and a killer typing. Good ability. Good coverage. Good STAB attacks. Good movepool. It's the exact dual type counter to arguably the most commonly used pokemon in the metagame; garchomp. Sure, he's got stone edge; but a bulky Togekiss can take that, and recover, with it's mutha♥♥♥♥in' ROOST. That's right it's got reliable recovery too. Which; by the way - eliminates more than half its weaknesses. Mmmhm, it comes on down from being weak to rock, electric, and ice + poison and steel, to just poison and steel. Togekiss can pull its weight in most situations. Oh yeah, AND it has a viable pool of support moves. Thunder Wave, Follow Me for doubles, it's brilliant; really.

Lets talk Megas though.

Kangaskhan - I hate this thing. But goddangit, he's got 1 weakness, 1 immunity, a killer ability, and the moves to exploit the hell out of that ability. The only thing in the game, to get 2 Atk boosts from using an attack in the game? Sick.

Gengar - You know that whole horror movie "You can run, but you can't hide!" Well you can't run from Mega Gengar. But unfortunately he also can't fun from that earthquake now. Wahp wahp waaaaooowwww.

Mawile - With arguable the NEW best typing in the game, and freakn' huge power backing its 2 STABS which hit just about everything but Steel and Fire, Mega Mawile's nasty. Dat base Atk after huge power man.

 

[bunny24680]

Every Pokemon has its weaknesses.

Except Metapod.

Let's be honest here...

Who wants to mess with a green nose-cocoon that can shoot string all over your face and harden it's body to the point where it's skin becomes completely impenetrable?

Yeah. You see a Metapod? You run the other way.

When I was playing firered for like first or second time, I had a 5 lvl Pikachu and i battled it against
a 5 level metapod in viridian forest. It was like 6-7 times that I had to use THUNDERSHOCK to faint it. Facing metapod, especially when you just begining your journey, is like just wasting all
your PP

I would probably have to say Scizor. It has great typing, a great ability in Technician, strong priority, access to a STAB scouting move, a good movepool, decent stats all-around, a reliable recovery move in Roost, is able to trap with Pursuit, a good boosting move, a good mega, and-

I'll stop there, but I could go on for ages. Basically, Scizor is the kind of Pokemon that can take on just about anything you throw at it. Except for Fire-types.

I may be wrong but I don't think scizor is that good. Like you said it has many advantages but
its weakness to fire type is a big problem. Remember, fire pokemon have very high attack and
special attack. One blow of Flamethrower can leave scizor to ashes.

But then again, scizor is very fast and it great movepool can help it strike down foe in the first
move. It depends. If you like it so much, it is the best pokemon for you!!!!!

It is my understanding that the most powerful non-legendary (& possibly the most powerful pokemon period)
is Blaziken.

It's history:

When it first appeared in the 3rd gen, it was a fearsome mixed attacker, but wasn't considered top-tier,
but it did live comfortably in OU.

However, gen 4 came & introduced Inferenape, which could everything Blaziken could, but better.
So for awhile, Blaziken wasn't used in the higher tiers.

Gen 5 came & turn things around COMPLETELY for the fighting chicken with the burning fists.
Though the Dream World, it was given Speed Boost as it's hidden ability, which fixed the problem
it once had, which was it's middling 80 speed stat.
Not only did Speed Boost fix it's speed problem, but it also ended up making Blaziken the very first
starter to ever get banned to UBER.
This is because after a couple of turns, Blaziken could pretty much outspeed anyone & it's
130 attack is very good, especially after a Swords Dance.
It's good enough that even the most defensive pokemon takes a LOT of damage.
Also, I belive this was the gen that it got High Jump Kick, which base power was inceased to 130.

& things only got better for it in gen 6, which introduced some up-grades:
A buffed-up Knock Off, which it uses to hurt & cripple pokemon that'd normally spell
it's doom, such as Lati@s & Tentacruel.
& it got a Mega Evolution that is lacking only slighty in power compared to Life Orb Blaziken but is about 10% more durable,
doesn't have recoil other than the one from Flare Blitz & is faster, so it starts outspeeding other speed demons sooner.
Plus, it's Ability is Speed Boost by default, so it's not required for it's standrad form to have the ability.

Blaziken @ Blazikenite
Adamant natured
252 Attack & Speed, 4 HP
~Swords Dance
~High Jump Kick
~Flare Blitz
~Knock Off

IIRC, this is all you need to dominate anywhere that's it's allowed, as long you use it right.

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Blaziken sure is awesome especially the move pool it has.
I think I can battle it with my mega charizard Y though........... My typing has great advantage to
the specific blaziken you mention above

Stunfisk. Hands down.

Hahah okay, but since he's kinda overpowered, I'll name off a few others that don't quite stack up, but still stand out.

Togekiss.

Its got bulk. It's got offense. It's got decent speed, and a killer typing. Good ability. Good coverage. Good STAB attacks. Good movepool. It's the exact dual type counter to arguably the most commonly used pokemon in the metagame; garchomp. Sure, he's got stone edge; but a bulky Togekiss can take that, and recover, with it's mutha♥♥♥♥in' ROOST. That's right it's got reliable recovery too. Which; by the way - eliminates more than half its weaknesses. Mmmhm, it comes on down from being weak to rock, electric, and ice + poison and steel, to just poison and steel. Togekiss can pull its weight in most situations. Oh yeah, AND it has a viable pool of support moves. Thunder Wave, Follow Me for doubles, it's brilliant; really.

Lets talk Megas though.

Kangaskhan - I hate this thing. But goddangit, he's got 1 weakness, 1 immunity, a killer ability, and the moves to exploit the hell out of that ability. The only thing in the game, to get 2 Atk boosts from using an attack in the game? Sick.

Gengar - You know that whole horror movie "You can run, but you can't hide!" Well you can't run from Mega Gengar. But unfortunately he also can't fun from that earthquake now. Wahp wahp waaaaooowwww.

Mawile - With arguable the NEW best typing in the game, and freakn' huge power backing its 2 STABS which hit just about everything but Steel and Fire, Mega Mawile's nasty. Dat base Atk after huge power man.

I really agree with you on Kangaskhan point. Though it looks somewhat ridiculus in mega evo,
it has great attack, great defense and awesome HP.

Garchomp is one of the strongest pokemon... if we don't consider typing! Ice moves can seriously hurt this fella........

The discussion what I have TILL NOW is that Volcarna, Togekiss and Mawile are good candidates as more people talked of them.

Others are Gyarados, Blaziken, Lucario, Kanagaskhan, Gengar, Aeglish,
Scizor and some others

Discuss more about other pokemon or either about them.
Try to prove us that which pokemon you think is toughest amongst all 700+ non legendary pokemon!!!!

 

[Rosehip]

lol sorry, my mind likes to think Landorus isn't a legendary for some reason ;/ I guess it's just because it simply sits at a 600 BST when I personally feel legendaries should be much more powerful.

I think I'll substitute Landorus for Nidoking then~ they basically do the same thing. I agree with the whole Mawile thing, it has an impressive typing and its Mega Evolution is far from laughable. It packs a hell of a punch, if I may say so.

 

[Hiatus]

Bunny, could you please refrain from posting multiple times in a row? It's against the rules of this board, unfortunately.

People who've said Togekiss, I agree--it's a great Pokémon! It's got Serene Grace ability as well as access to Air Slash, and with that combo, it could always make your opponent flinch, unable to strike any hit. Well, not always, but you get my point--in most cases. Plus, if you manage to paralyze your opponent alongside, somehow, chances of them attacking would be even lowered.

I've had this Pokémon on my team in Platinum, and loved using it. It was very fun. Thanks to Togekiss, I was able to get through a variety of battle facilities. Might be using it ORAS as well, but haven't completely decided yet. We'll see, I suppose!

 

[bunny24680]

Yeah I'm sorry that I'm posting multiple times in a row, I didn't know the rules......

Anyhow, Togekiss is really great and all credit goes to its fairy type basically.... with old
normal/flying type, it was good but not as good as it's now!

As Marisa said,, Nidoking is also a great pokemon. I had it in my team once. It's best
advatanage is that it can learn a large variety of moves. I mean I taught this Poison/Ground pokemon SURF too for a while!!!

 

[Polar Spectrum]

Hahah yeah Nidoking has that janky-*** gen 1 movepool. :P He's debatably the best user of sheer force too, since he gets access to just about every special attack that gets a boost from it, and has enough speed and special attack to actually be viable with that build.

Sheer Force Nidoking holding a life orb, gets a combined 60% boost in base power to Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Sludge Bomb, Earth Power, Blizzard, Thunder, Sludge Wave, Fire Blast, and Focus Blast, as well as STAB on earth power and sludge bomb. And those are just the special moves! It's got crazy coverage, a semi-unique typing, and very well rounded stats.

I think within Gen 1 alone, Nidoking is certain top 5 if not one of the most powerful.

 

[Hiatus]

Nidoking was indeed one of the most powerful out there. Too bad I haven't used it much back then, unfortunately, haha.

 

[KorpiklaaniVodka]

Competitively I would say Mega Gengar. 170 Special Attack is good, meaning not many Pokemon can switch into it (thank god it can't use Life Orb or Choice Specs), but the broken aspect of Mega Gengar is definitely Shadow Tag. This thing can kill practically anything it wants with Destiny Bond, gets great Ghost + Fighting coverage (even though Focus Miss is horrible), can basically crap on EACH AND EVERY SINGLE DEFENSIVE POKEMON IN THE GAME that isn't named Yveltal/Arceus-Dark with Taunt. All thanks to Shadow Tag. Not to mention Mega Gengar has a great speed stat, which allows it to troll Darkrai and Shaymin-S. This thing is an absolute monster and the best Uber in the game if you ask me.

As for in-game... probably Darmanitan, since that thing hits so hard and outspeeds anything if you EV it right... but I haven't played Pokemon X/Y yet.