6th Gen [SO. MANY. SPOILERS.] X&Y New Photos Leaked!

[Sun]

Lots of people are complaining about the lack of new Pokemon. Anyone who expected well over a hundred new designs in the same Gen GF had to make over 800 new 3D models were fooling themselves. This generation was also about balance. This Pokedex made sure the Fairy-type was fleshed out. Mega-formes were given to popular Pokemon that were underrused competitively (other than MGarchomp who sucks anyway). I think its no coincidence that we were given Drought Charizard and Mega Abomasnow after a generation dominated by Rain and Sand. Most of the new Pokemon look like they're going to be very useful, so I think a lot of time went into each one.

Quality>quantity.

It just shows Game Freak's weakness more -- they are bad at making 3D stuff. :/

Abomasnow has Snow Warning since its debut, and I don't find it intimidating -- Mega or not.
Despite its Mega looking handsome, but the stats are still unimpressive. :(

 

[Hikamaru]

So , What's Talonflame ability ?
Was it revealed yet ???

Well we saw a screenshot of Talonflame's pre-evo Fletchinder being revealed to have Flame Body so there's a good shot Talonflame may get it as well.

It just shows Game Freak's weakness more -- they are bad at making 3D stuff. :/

You know, I think you're onto something here. If Kalos is in fact introducing way less Pokemon compared to past regions, it might have something to do with the full 3D graphics. Making those 3D models look good takes a lot of hard work, and if they had so many Pokemon to make models of it would take extremely long and the games may not have even been scheduled for a release a week away from now. Game Freak just apparently have not good enough 3D skills and found Pokemon games less easier in the sprite era.

 

[Famon]

"There are a lot of theories going around that Zygarde is the Nidhogg of this generation. And who knows? Maybe we'll get our Squirrel (Ratatosk) Legendary as an Event Pokemon, or something. You never know.

However, I had reason to believe that the Legendaries for this generation were based off of Hinduism. Hinduism believes in the concept of The Creator, the Preserver, and the Destroyer. They are better known as Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva, respectively. Xerneas is known as "The Life Pokemon," so it would represent Brahma. Yveltal is known as "The Destruction Pokemon," so it would represent Shiva. And if you look at this:

Spoiler:

Zygarde is known as "The Order Pokemon." Thereby it would represent Vishnu in an abstract fashion. By upholding order, you have the ability to prolong change, therefore creating preservation in the process.

So yeah, it's probable that the trio of this gen is based off of not only Yggdrasil, but the Hinduism life cycle. Kinda neat."

If I know Hinduism correctly then ''Shiva'' is Man with long hair & A snake wrap around his neck .
''Brahma'' is a old man with 3 face's .
And ''Vishnu'' is a Young Man who usually say on a clamp .
However ,
Xerneas , Yveltal and Zygarde look nothing like it .
Xerneas is a Deer , Yveltal is a giant Bird & Zygarde is some sort of Big Worm .
As For ''Life & Death'' Theory , a lot of religion has then same theory .

Well we saw a screenshot of Talonflame's pre-evo Fletchinder being revealed to have Flame Body so there's a good shot Talonflame may get it as well.

Ya , But sometime Pokemon lose their former Ability after evolving .
And I don't want see Fletchinder losing ''Flame Body'' after evolving into Talonflame and gets a lame ability instate .
I believe , Talonflame's ability should be ''Speed Boost'' Or ''Flame Body'' !!!

 

[BlueNwz]

Lots of people are complaining about the lack of new Pokemon. Anyone who expected well over a hundred new designs in the same Gen GF had to make over 800 new 3D models were fooling themselves. This generation was also about balance. This Pokedex made sure the Fairy-type was fleshed out. Mega-formes were given to popular Pokemon that were underrused competitively (other than MGarchomp who sucks anyway). I think its no coincidence that we were given Drought Charizard and Mega Abomasnow after a generation dominated by Rain and Sand. Most of the new Pokemon look like they're going to be very useful, so I think a lot of time went into each one.

Quality>quantity.

Fans expected 90 NOT 100 >. Not many expected above 100. That was unreasonable, but the present number is 20 less than that. We all thought 90 was the perfect number. 70 is a little underwhelming.

 

[Blastin'Tyruntz]

It just shows Game Freak's weakness more -- they are bad at making 3D stuff. :/

Abomasnow has Snow Warning since its debut, and I don't find it intimidating -- Mega or not.
Despite its Mega looking handsome, but the stats are still unimpressive. :(

It is the first 3D pokemon game GF ever did are you kidding me? This isn't a weakness this a revolution, a change, a future for that series!
They had to make 750 3D models and they also stated that they were doing it cartoony because of the kids. If pokemon like Seviper, Bannett and Gengar were in real, not cartoony high quality 3D they could make kids Sh*t their pants!

You always gotta remember these games are meant for children.....

 

[Hikamaru]

It is the first 3D pokemon game GF ever did are you kidding me? This isn't a weakness this a revolution, a change, a future for that series!
They had to make 750 3D models and they also stated that they were doing it cartoony because of the kids. If pokemon like Seviper, Bannett and Gengar were in real, not cartoony high quality 3D they could make kids Sh*t their pants!

You always gotta remember these games are meant for children.....

I'd imagine what it would have been like if X and Y had graphics like Battle Revolution and not the ones we're seeing right now. It wouldn't have that "kid appeal" feel wouldn't it? That's why they made the 3D models of the Pokemon more "cartoonish" by doing cel-shading on them, and even updating the cries of several older Pokemon, like Pikachu who has now adopted its cry from the anime.

The cartoonish, cel-shaded 3D models have that "fresh" look yet still make the games appeal to the targeted audience at the same time. It's a formula that you need to get right, make the game look good yet also appeal to its main target audience.

 

[Blastin'Tyruntz]

I'd imagine what it would have been like if X and Y had graphics like Battle Revolution and not the ones we're seeing right now. It wouldn't have that "kid appeal" feel wouldn't it? That's why they made the 3D models of the Pokemon more "cartoonish" by doing cel-shading on them, and even updating the cries of several older Pokemon, like Pikachu who has now adopted its cry from the anime.

The cartoonish, cel-shaded 3D models have that "fresh" look yet still make the games appeal to the targeted audience at the same time. It's a formula that you need to get right, make the game look good yet also appeal to its main target audience.

And that is exactly what they did this time, although i must say some pokemon like Dragalgae and Trevenant still don not have that "kids apeal" feeling. If they are in fact going to do a 7th generation i would wanna see some apeal to the older audience, maybe it could be more polished and less cartoony, more "Naruto Shippuden Ultimate ninja storm generations" and less "Toon city"

 

[Decimosoma]

It just shows Game Freak's weakness more -- they are bad at making 3D stuff. :/

No one was expecting realistic 3D models. Maybe it was just you.
The 3D models fits with the flow of the graphics.

And I doubt this is even a weakness or whatever you make out of it. It's their first time turning Pokémon in actual 3D models in their main series, so I am not that worried about their first attempt. Practice makes perfect.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I mentioned that to Nichole, There's 1% possibility that the other 70 will debut in the future sister games of Pokemon XY. As for the compatibility concerns with XY, either there's a patch to allow trading, or simple blocking new Pokemon to be traded like Time Capsule in GS series.

I doubt the latter will happen, otherwise they would have added new pokemon in previous gen sequels. The very fact that they can roll out updates is the reason why this has a chance to occur now.

 

[Sun]

You know, I think you're onto something here. If Kalos is in fact introducing way less Pokemon compared to past regions, it might have something to do with the full 3D graphics. Making those 3D models look good takes a lot of hard work, and if they had so many Pokemon to make models of it would take extremely long and the games may not have even been scheduled for a release a week away from now. Game Freak just apparently have not good enough 3D skills and found Pokemon games less easier in the sprite era.

My points exactly. We can trace GF's 3D weakness as early as Gen I.
The Stadium and Colosseum series were developed by other developers instead of Game Freak themselves, when GF should be the ones developing them! Since the aforementioned games can connect directly to the main series.
So Gen Wunners might or might not be the main reason for 70 new Pokemon in Gen VI; there's more than that. ;)

 

[Hikamaru]

No one was expecting realistic 3D models. Maybe it was just you.
The 3D models fits with the flow of the graphics.

And I doubt this is even a weakness or whatever you make out of it. It's their first time turning Pokémon in actual 3D models in their main series, so I am not that worried about their first attempt. Practice makes perfect.

Yeah, and we never even expected these games to be on the 3DS either even when some say they wanted an actual 3D main Pokemon game, and turns out we got our wish for a main Pokemon game in full 3D. In fact, they didn't do very bad with the graphics at all here thanks to that nice amount of cel-shading they did.

And that is exactly what they did this time, although i must say some pokemon like Dragalgae and Trevenant still don not have that "kids apeal" feeling. If they are in fact going to do a 7th generation i would wanna see some apeal to the older audience, maybe it could be more polished and less cartoony, more "Naruto Shippuden Ultimate ninja storm generations" and less "Toon city"

Yeah I see what you mean, me and Makoto were talking about possible things we could see for the next generation, even what countries they might base the next region on. There's like a good variety of not just tough-looking Pokemon, but also the cute ones, and we have some that appeal more to the female audience, like most of the Fairy-types or some of the cute Pokemon.

 

[BlueNwz]

I for once feel GF couldn't have made this game any better. I am so very glad they din't go the battle revolution way. Never been a fan of it tbh. All the sprites have these plastic toys look to them. They are very stiff and their movement is a big fail. Which is why the games have this kiddish feel to it. On the other hand, the X Y graphics are very futuristic, if you ever imagined Pokemon to be real, this is as close as it gets. Not the Paper models from revolution.

 

[bobandbill]

I mentioned that to Nichole, There's 1% possibility that the other 70 will debut in the future sister games of Pokemon XY. As for the compatibility concerns with XY, either there's a patch to allow trading, or simple blocking new Pokemon to be traded like Time Capsule in GS series.

How do you figure that 1% chance? =p

Also, that's quite unlikely. Although different forms can be made for Pokemon within the same gen (see Platinum introducing a bunch for Rotom, Giratina, etc), a new Pokemon within the same gen is another problem. If they make new Pokemon within the same gen, then the game with said new Pokemon cannot use them in trades/battles with X&Y unless data for them already exists within X&Y. A patch alone would not fix this easily either. It'd have to be a hell of a patch. =p And the time machine solution would be an annoyance to set up, I'd imagine, and nobody wants to battle when there's 70 Pokemon they caught that they cannot use, especially when they're setting up wifi tournaments every month or so.

Now, this could be the case, but if data is already in X&Y - why not just use it already in X&Y? No, I think the most you'd see are more mega forms within the same generation. Plus event legendaries.

The Stadium and Colosseum series were developed by other developers instead of Game Freak themselves, when GF should be the ones developing them! Since the aforementioned games can connect directly to the main series.

Why? They like working only on the handhelds, and that's their right. They don't need to make games on a different hardware if they don't want to.

I think the issues in making 3D models isn't that much - it's just a timely process when you're transferring 5 gens of sprite work into a completely different medium on a new gen handheld you're not fully familiar with. I don't think though that this is a significant reason as to the number of new gen Pokemon this time around.

 

[HaphazardAsylum]

wow so its possible there's only 70 pokemon that sucks and i think GF counting mega's as new pokemon is a bit of a cop out they are more like mega forms than evolutions they don't change enough to REALLY be evolutions. i dont mind mega's in general as long as it didnt take away from new actual evo's/pokemon which seems to be the case

 

[BeefTaco]

I got news that will make a lot of you happy. Dragalge is Poison/Dragon

Spoiler:

 

[Sun]

I doubt the latter will happen, otherwise they would have added new pokemon in previous gen sequels. The very fact that they can roll out updates is the reason why this has a chance to occur now.

Well who knows? Game Freak loves breaking barriers lately. {:3}
Who could imagine our Pokémon will be in stored in Cloud Storage someday? {D:}
Who could imagine we could interact with our Pokémon like feeding them and playing with them? ^^
Who could imagine everyone's fantasy of full 3D Pokemon adventures becoming real someday? o_O

No one knows, right? :P

 

[Hikamaru]

How do you figure that 1% chance? =p

Also, that's quite unlikely. Although different forms can be made for Pokemon within the same gen (see Platinum introducing a bunch for Rotom, Giratina, etc), a new Pokemon within the same gen is another problem. If they make new Pokemon within the same gen, then the game with said new Pokemon cannot use them in trades/battles with X&Y unless data for them already exists within X&Y. A patch alone would not fix this easily either. It'd have to be a hell of a patch. =p And the time machine solution would be an annoyance to set up, I'd imagine, and nobody wants to battle when there's 70 Pokemon they caught that they cannot use, especially when they're setting up wifi tournaments every month or so.

Now, this could be the case, but if data is already in X&Y - why not just use it already in X&Y? No, I think the most you'd see are more mega forms within the same generation. Plus event legendaries.

You know, this is reminding me of Black and White Kyurem formes' signature moves Freeze Shock and Ice Burn which weren't officially introduced until Black 2 & White 2 yet the reason the moves existed in Black & White's coding was presumably to avoid compatibility issues. I don't think we'll be seeing new Pokemon in the next game, because then it wouldn't be compatible with X & Y.

My points exactly. We can trace GF's 3D weakness as early as Gen I.
The Stadium and Colosseum series were developed by other developers instead of Game Freak themselves, when GF should be the ones developing them! Since the aforementioned games can connect directly to the main series.
So Gen Wunners might or might not be the main reason for 70 new Pokemon in Gen VI; there's more than that. ;)

You know I can easily see what you mean. If I recall most of the spinoff Pokemon games weren't even developed by Game Freak so you could tell the company had a lack of good 3D art skills. And then again, we got loads of graphic changes every generation, like going full-color in 3rd Gen, to having more 3D-rendered buildings in 4th and 5th Gen to now having everything in full 3D. Game Freak seems to have done a good job here despite the "weakness" as far as 3D goes for them. So maybe the reason we could be seeing just new Pokemon is not because of Genwunners (hence why so many older Pokemon are appearing in the game, including the Kanto starters) but because of the not good skills in 3D animating and rendering so they didn't want to work on too much.

 

[Sun]

How do you figure that 1% chance? =p

Also, that's quite unlikely. Although different forms can be made for Pokemon within the same gen (see Platinum introducing a bunch for Rotom, Giratina, etc), a new Pokemon within the same gen is another problem. If they make new Pokemon within the same gen, then the game with said new Pokemon cannot use them in trades/battles with X&Y unless data for them already exists within X&Y. A patch alone would not fix this easily either. It'd have to be a hell of a patch. =p And the time machine solution would be an annoyance to set up, I'd imagine, and nobody wants to battle when there's 70 Pokemon they caught that they cannot use, especially when they're setting up wifi tournaments every month or so.

Now, this could be the case, but if data is already in X&Y - why not just use it already in X&Y? No, I think the most you'd see are more mega forms within the same generation. Plus event legendaries.
Why? They like working only on the handhelds, and that's their right. They don't need to make games on a different hardware if they don't want to.

I think the issues in making 3D models isn't that much - it's just a timely process when you're transferring 5 gens of sprite work into a completely different medium on a new gen handheld you're not fully familiar with. I don't think though that this is a significant reason as to the number of new gen Pokemon this time around.

I actually think that there are some hidden data in that 3DS cartridge, to be honest.{XD}
It was said that 3DS's capacities can rival PSP so.. {XD}

Here are the mugshots of Kalos Gym Leaders, click attachment for bigger image.

 

[bobandbill]

You know, this is reminding me of Kyurem's signature moves Freeze Shock and Blast Burn which weren't officially introduced until Black 2 & White 2 yet the reason the moves existed in Black & White's coding was presumably to avoid compatibility issues. I don't think we'll be seeing new Pokemon in the next game, because then it wouldn't be compatible with X & Y.

Quite correct. Hackers found out about those moves before B2W2 were even announced as data for it was found within the game code for BW. While this time around hackers won't be able to do anything with a dumped rom for at least a good while, the point still stands - if they want to bring in new things within the same gen such as moves or Pokemon, data for it needs to exist with X&Y.

I actually think that there are some hidden data in that 3DS cartridge, to be honest.

It was said that 3DS's capacities can rival PSP so..

The 3DS should be better than the PSP. But that doesn't bypass the fact that a game will simply be unable to show the player a Pokemon if there is no data within it for said Pokemon. And said data is required in trades and wifi battles. And to hide a large number of Pokemon within X&Y to be revealed only in later games is a very strange choice for them to make, you have to agree. Mega forms, perhaps, but brand new Pokemon? It's really a big stretch to make.

Frankly, one is just going to have to accept that we have 'only' 70 new Pokemon. That's not a small number in itself - just smaller than previous generations. And that's excluding mega forms, and excluding event Pokemon, the only ones which have been traditionally hidden away. This time though for a change, we actually won't know about them for some time!

 

[Gulpin]

Has there been a picture confirming Florges' type/stats? Or an Amie close up?

Also, the few new pokemon is kind of refreshing.. It won't be so difficult to choose a team like it was in B/W. Also, I won't feel as pressured to use all new Pokemon, which will give me a chance to use my favorite old Pokemon with Megas or rectonned types (or both!).