Leaks/Rumors Discussion Thread

[Hikamaru]

I think the alternate final evolutions for the Alola starters might be fake, but I remember hearing about a Fighting-type Abra line before Alola forms were confirmed to be a thing. But still, these Pokemon that get the new forms will only be in these forms unless transferred through Pokemon Bank from 6th Gen or the 1st Gen VC games? That's uh, kinda restrictive there if you ask me.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

I'm more concerned about how they'll handle Mega Alakazam now that it's all but confirmed that the Abra line is getting a new Alolan form.

 

[MrGriszell]

I'm more concerned about how they'll handle Mega Alakazam now that it's all but confirmed that the Abra line is getting a new Alolan form.

I thought they were getting rid of mega evos?

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

I thought they were getting rid of mega evos?

The rumor doesn't say anything about no more Mega Evolutions.

 

[Valezio]

Truth or lies?

Here is some more information I gathered:
-The anime's Ash-Greninja will appear in the game
-Alolan Rattata & Raticate are Dark-type
-Alolan Butterfree is Bug/Psychic
-Alolan Abra, Kadabra & Alakazam are Fighting-type
-Alolan Nidoking & Nidoqueen are Poison/Fighting-type
-Alolan Growlithe & Arcanine are Water-type
-Alolan Doduo & Dodrio are Fighting/Flying-type
-The previous versions of Pokémon which have taken on new forms will only be accessible by bringing in from older games
-Furfrou gets new styles
-New cat Pokémon varies in type and appearance based on breeding
-There is a new snowman Pokémon line with two stages and it is Ice/Ghost
-Not to get hopes up, but there may be two final evolutions for each starter one for when evolved during the day and one for when evolved during the night-hence "Pokemon Sun & Moon."

Also, here is Chinese rumor:
-There will be no traditional Gyms and no Pokémon League in Alola. Your goal is to actually create one. After you do, an Elite 4 will appear which are the leaders of each island
-The final starter evolutions will be an Archer, a Wrestler and a Siren
-The diamond stones will be collectible throughout the region and act similarly to Mega Stones but not exactly
-New Pokémon based on a dolphin, sea cucumber, snowman, mushroom and a rugby monkey
-Rockruff's evolution is a Werewolf
-Mashadow, another copyrighted Pokémon name, has a very unique type combo

Of course, this is still a rumor and until The Pokemon Company actually reveals the new evolutions, we should take them with a grain of salt.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

I find the rumor about the Alola starters getting two final evolutions unbelievable, because we've already seen the dex organization before, and it doesn't show a fourth slot for all three starters.

 

[Nath74K]

I've heard a lot about these Chinese leaks but have never been able to find them... Could someone tell me where to read them please?

 

[Z25]

I find the rumor about the Alola starters getting two final evolutions unbelievable, because we've already seen the dex organization before, and it doesn't show a fourth slot for all three starters.

They take up the same pokedex slot according to the rumor. They are alternate forms. Which could very well happen with an emphasis on the region changing pokemon.

 

[Rivvon]

They take up the same pokedex slot according to the rumor. They are alternate forms. Which could very well happen with an emphasis on the region changing pokemon.

On the one hand, that seems way too convenient to be true. On the other hand, if Rockruff had a similar form-changing evolution, it could be the "secret" that all four of them share.

Hmm, since Rockruff is said to evolve at night (at least in its lore), what if these supposed forms change based on the time of day?

 

[WingsofBliss]

Interesting to note and also a bit of caution; Joe Serebii on Twitter does seem to think the final evolution starter art with Mallow and Ash is legit. But, the main reason he won't post about it on the site is because of running the risk of a cease and desist incident. I don't know if this site would run the same risk of posting about it in this thread, but I thought I should mention it as a heads-up.

 

[Nath74K]

Interesting to note and also a bit of caution; Joe Serebii on Twitter does seem to think the final evolution starter art with Mallow and Ash is legit. But, the main reason he won't post about it on the site is because of running the risk of a cease and desist incident. I don't know if this site would run the same risk of posting about it in this thread, but I thought I should mention it as a heads-up.

Serebii won't post any leak because of any potential cease-and-desist, since they have some kind of a partnership with Nintendo..
But here, this is a forum, people are discussing theories. It's different than a website posting this as an official news.

 

[Hikamaru]

Interesting to note and also a bit of caution; Joe Serebii on Twitter does seem to think the final evolution starter art with Mallow and Ash is legit. But, the main reason he won't post about it on the site is because of running the risk of a cease and desist incident. I don't know if this site would run the same risk of posting about it in this thread, but I thought I should mention it as a heads-up.

You do have a point because while Serebii wouldn't want to post the leak on his website due to the cease-and-desist threat that was enforced after the Unova Pokedex leak, but remember he talked about leaks and trivia on his other Twitter account and not his website's official account.

 

[Z25]

Interesting to note and also a bit of caution; Joe Serebii on Twitter does seem to think the final evolution starter art with Mallow and Ash is legit. But, the main reason he won't post about it on the site is because of running the risk of a cease and desist incident. I don't know if this site would run the same risk of posting about it in this thread, but I thought I should mention it as a heads-up.

Were not solely a news site, so it's safe.

But back in BW Days he got C & D'd so he doesn't want it again.

 

[Hikamaru]

Remember that Serebii and Bulbagarden are Pokemon news sites so there's a reason they only post content from official sources, and sites like Smogon and PC (duh) are more like forums and not Pokemon news sites so discussing the leaks is fine.

 

[blue]

I wonder if the 2nd final evolution for the starter Pokemon has any relation to Rockruff? There's a lot of emphasis on how important Rockruff is and that it shares a secret along with the Alola starters.

 

[Entermaid]

Has anyone heard of Esther Williams, referred to as "America's Mermaid"?

She did aquamusicals, including performances as a mermaid. If you recall Hail Cesaer! from last year they featured her likeness in the movie performed by Scarlet Johansson. It seems like Poppmaid is based on aquamusicals which involve singing, acting, and synchronized swimming. One of the first movies shot in Hawaii (in Kauai), and one of the most scandalous in all of Hollywood was Pagan Love Song (1950). During the production, Williams was pregnant and had a near-death experience. She was also not able to communicate with her husband, and finally was able to do so with the radio of a local high school teacher.

This was a huge deal in Hawaii! "At a press conference in Honolulu, she outdrew such tourist notables as Secretary of State George C. Marshall, Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower and Clark Gable. Her arrival at the airport was met by an estimated 2,000 of the 3,000 residents of the island, including hula dancers and children bearing leis."

Poppmaid's design looks an awful lot like something from one of these retro aquamusicals that only lasted a few years, but was one of the few lynchpins between classic Hollywood (American culture) and Hawaii Culture...as well as numerous other tropical locations since she was the one and only who starred in aquamusicals -- often as a mermaid. This movie popularized Hawaii more than any other aquamusical in classic hollywood, due to the controversy related to Williams near death experience as she was pushed to perform despite learning she about her pregnancy.

Here she is seen pictured with a mermaid crown similar to Poppmaid:

Spoiler:

I haven't seen anyone post about this connection. Do you think there is?

 

[Iceshadow3317]

At first when I seen these leaks. I really didn't like them. Didn't mine the final evos, but the 90 only pokemon made me mad, which could still be wrong, however, with this new type of pokemon Alolan, I really don't mind if we only get 90. Still think it is a little low. But these new pokemon are basically completely new pokemon with concepts based on all pokemon. I just hope we are able to keep them in the coming games. I do like this idea a bit more than megas.

Having two starter finals wouldn't be too bad, especially if they are using the Alolan forms. But it would also confirm that Megas are in game. In which we still get new ones.

All in all, I really don't mind. Still hoping for a lot more pokemon though.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

At first when I seen these leaks. I really didn't like them. Didn't mine the final evos, but the 90 only pokemon made me mad, which could still be wrong, however, with this new type of pokemon Alolan, I really don't mind if we only get 90. Still think it is a little low. But these new pokemon are basically completely new pokemon with concepts based on all pokemon. I just hope we are able to keep them in the coming games. I do like this idea a bit more than megas.

The part about 90 new Pokémon is from another leak, which was proven to be false last month. The Chinese leak says there will be more new Pokémon than in XY but not by much, which means it'll be around the same number as Johto and Sinnoh.

 

[Ducolamia]

Oh boy!

I think everybody is freaking out over the leak thing. Honestly, we won't know until it's officially confirmed, so we should just wait until we get more information.

I don't mind the final evolutions like some do( they already grow on me). But I have a couple of reasons to be very skeptical:

I understand that sometimes leaks happen and that it was the same with Black and White and Smash 4, but even then, some of the information either changed or was officially debunked

We got the Delta Species(everyone's going to call them that so I will too) but even then the predictions weren't fully right. Remember how we were supposed to get Mega Flygon? Or when we were supposed to get Mega Milotic during ORAS in a supposed "leak"? Didn't happen(albeit for the stupidest of reasons but that's another story)The same can be applied to here.

The leak said Ninetails would be fire fairy. It was only partially right though. I checked the leak again and some other things also don't make sense. For another example. The no gyms thing is confirmed, yes, but then it said you would be establishing a league. This is obviously not confirmed yet and we all have the right to speculate, but I feel the information is way to muddled to take everything verbatim. Why? Because a lot changed during the development of these games. This game has been in development for what---let's be generous and say 4 years( approximately). A lot has probably changed in development for these game. Is it possible that the leaks are true? Hell yeah, but keep in mind, it'll probably be by only a small margin.

Now onto the kicker, the one everyone's talking about. The starters. They look...okay. Rowlet's is pretty sick, Popplio's is majestic and Litten( ah....poor Litten). Do I think they are real? Yes, but to an extent. I get it, Mallow is in the picture, but that's what get's me. It seems waaaaayyyy too convient to be the case. And also, I'll bring it up now and it's weird, but the art is kind of messy. In a major cooperation (specifically Pokemon in this case), you can't just shit out any Pokemon for the hell of it. In a case like Pokemon, I presume the art has something called approval stages. In these stages you can spend a plethora of time and effort into a drawing, but if it's not approved by those higher up, it doesn't fly. This might be the case of that. I feel these aren't the absolute final evolutions for the starters simply because they look incomplete to me . The art is pretty messy, there are sketches everywhere and people who do not appear the games are in the art( granted they could be used as a reference but it's unlikely). Compare that to this concept art of Greninja

https://https://www.pokewiki.de/images/e/e3/Quajutsu_Konzeptzeichnung.png

It's clean and not as untidy as the other sketches. Isn't that kind of odd? Even looking at older concept art it's still pretty neat. Do I think that is a hundred percent valid reason on why the concept art is fake? No. But it's questionable. Really, we won't know our answer until we see for ourselves.

But for now, I'm iffy on it.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

Now onto the kicker, the one everyone's talking about. The starters. They look...okay. Rowlet's is pretty sick, Popplio's is majestic and Litten( ah....poor Litten). Do I think they are real? Yes, but to an extent. I get it, Mallow is in the picture, but that's what get's me. It seems waaaaayyyy too convient to be the case. And also, I'll bring it up now and it's weird, but the art is kind of messy. In a major cooperation (specifically Pokemon in this case), you can't just **** out any Pokemon for the hell of it. In a case like Pokemon, I presume the art has something called approval stages. In these stages you can spend a plethora of time and effort into a drawing, but if it's not approved by those higher up, it doesn't fly. This might be the case of that. I feel these aren't the absolute final evolutions for the starters simply because they look incomplete to me . The art is pretty messy, there are sketches everywhere and people who do not appear the games are in the art( granted they could be used as a reference but it's unlikely). Compare that to this concept art of Greninja

https://https://www.pokewiki.de/images/e/e3/Quajutsu_Konzeptzeichnung.png

It's clean and not as untidy as the other sketches. Isn't that kind of odd? Even looking at older concept art it's still pretty neat. Do I think that is a hundred percent valid reason on why the concept art is fake? No. But it's questionable. Really, we won't know our answer until we see for ourselves.

But for now, I'm iffy on it.

It was revealed by Game Freak in an older interview that they prioritize in finalizing the legendaries and starters during a game's early development. Sakurai was able to take a look at Greninja's concept art during XY's early development and decided to put him into Smash. If Greninja's design was changed near the end of XY's development schedule, then the Greninja from Smash would've been an inaccurate representation of the Pokémon. That means the leaked concept art we're seeing are the finalized versions.