Help Thread: Official Hack Checking Thread

I got a Shiny Sylveon in a Cherish Ball:
Shiny Sylveon ENG
Female
OT: XY
ID: 39173
Event Ribbon
Kalos Native, Lv. 44 (Touched)
Cute Charm / Quiet
Average IVs

Is this a legit event? I'm having trouble finding info on it

Soapie? said:

I got a Shiny Sylveon in a Cherish Ball:
Shiny Sylveon ENG
Female
OT: XY
ID: 39173
Event Ribbon
Kalos Native, Lv. 44 (Touched)
Cute Charm / Quiet
Average IVs

Is this a legit event? I'm having trouble finding info on it

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It appears to be fake, as there was no shiny sylveon event according to Serebii. It might be a fake version of the 2014 South Korean Sylveon. (It should've been KOR instead of ENG then)

Shiny Milotic (Male) received on Sun/Moon Wonder Trade

Normal Pokeball
Type Water
Level 27 (Exp points 29,317. 2,293 to next level)
OT Dave
ID no 51229
HP 93
Attack 40
Defense 59
SP Atk 62
Sp Def 74
Speed 49

Nature Bold
Ability Competitive
Held Item None

Moves
Dive (Water)
Dragon Pulse (Dragon)
Dragon Tail (Dragon)
Hypnosis (Psychic)


"Seems to have travelled across both space and time to reach you from the the Kalos region"
"Characteristic: A little quick tempered"

No language initials, so English.





Think it must be hacked. Nobody in their right mind would send out genuine shinies on Wonder Trade, but you never know!

Habibi004 said:

Shiny Milotic (Male) received on Sun/Moon Wonder Trade

Normal Pokeball
Type Water
Level 27 (Exp points 29,317. 2,293 to next level)
OT Dave
ID no 51229
HP 93
Attack 40
Defense 59
SP Atk 62
Sp Def 74
Speed 49

Nature Bold
Ability Competitive
Held Item None

Moves
Dive (Water)
Dragon Pulse (Dragon)
Dragon Tail (Dragon)
Hypnosis (Psychic)


"Seems to have travelled across both space and time to reach you from the the Kalos region"
"Characteristic: A little quick tempered"

No language initials, so English.





Think it must be hacked. Nobody in their right mind would send out genuine shinies on Wonder Trade, but you never know!

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I ran the numbers on this through an IV checker, and its IVs appear pretty bad. I think you got one of the few legit wonder trade shinies out there.

Habibi004 said:

Shiny Milotic (Male) received on Sun/Moon Wonder Trade

Normal Pokeball
Type Water
Level 27 (Exp points 29,317. 2,293 to next level)
OT Dave
ID no 51229
HP 93
Attack 40
Defense 59
SP Atk 62
Sp Def 74
Speed 49

Nature Bold
Ability Competitive
Held Item None

Moves
Dive (Water)
Dragon Pulse (Dragon)
Dragon Tail (Dragon)
Hypnosis (Psychic)


"Seems to have travelled across both space and time to reach you from the the Kalos region"
"Characteristic: A little quick tempered"

No language initials, so English.





Think it must be hacked. Nobody in their right mind would send out genuine shinies on Wonder Trade, but you never know!

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In addition, it comes from Kalos (5th Gen) where RNG was super easy to do, and since it has trash IVs it likely was a test or something. Since it had such little value they probably thought to just send it off (as a nice gift!).

Hi, thanks for the replies!
I'm not up on the stats as I'm a casual player, but the guy before you seems to think it'd legit BECAUSE of the bad IVs, and you say this could also indicate a hack. Obviously stats that are too good to be true means a hack, so where's the line? I guess there really is no way to tell 100%?

Edit: Sorry I just looked up what RNG means but not sure how it applies here. Easy RNG means its more likely to be hacked or not?

Habibi004 said:

Hi, thanks for the replies!
I'm not up on the stats as I'm a casual player, but the guy before you seems to think it'd legit BECAUSE of the bad IVs, and you say this could also indicate a hack. Obviously stats that are too good to be true means a hack, so where's the line? I guess there really is no way to tell 100%?

Edit: Sorry I just looked up what RNG means but not sure how it applies here. Easy RNG means its more likely to be hacked or not?

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Ah sorry, didn't realize you didn't know RNG! Essentially RNG abuse makes it so you can control nature/gender/IVs/Shinyness/etc. RNG abuse is generally accepted as legit no matter how it's done or in what gen, since it doesn't require any external devices interacting directly with the system. So I think it's legit!

How easy or hard it is to RNG isn't a super big factor in legitness, though people are skeptical of really good stuff from 3rd Gen sometimes because it is notably hard to do in those games (and is limited based on several factors). 5th Gen was the easiest gen to RNG abuse in, which is why if you have Shinies, even flawless ones, from there I generally say they are pretty safe.

Habibi004 said:

Hi, thanks for the replies!
I'm not up on the stats as I'm a casual player, but the guy before you seems to think it'd legit BECAUSE of the bad IVs, and you say this could also indicate a hack. Obviously stats that are too good to be true means a hack, so where's the line? I guess there really is no way to tell 100%?

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To answer your question about bad IVs, it is due to the value they have, that sometimes can be an indicator of a hack.
IVs, or Individual Values can have a value of 0 (terrible) to 31 (perfect). It isn't unlikely to get a few IVs with 0 from a wild Pok?mon, and you can even pass down this awful stat to bred Pok?mon. The thing that might be off however, is when ALL stats are at 0. When every single stat have the same number, the Pok?mon can either be bred, or as Road explained it, RNG Abused. Otherwise, that Pok?mon is hacked, because it is very unlikely that someone took their time to breed/RNG a Pok?mon only to give it the worst stats in the world.

Normally Pok?mon have moslty different numbers in each stats. By looking quickly at your Pok?mon, yes, it doesn't have really good stats, but they aren't suspicious at all!
HP = 18 - 21
Attack = 29 - 31
Defense = 24 - 27
Spec. Attack = 12 - 14
Spec. Defense = 6 - 9
Speed = 1 - 4

RoadMart said:

In addition, it comes from Kalos (5th Gen) where RNG was super easy to do, and since it has trash IVs it likely was a test or something. Since it had such little value they probably thought to just send it off (as a nice gift!).

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wait, you can RNG abuse in Kalos/6th gen games? so many people said it was difficult to RNG abuse in 6th generation games.

sater10 said:

wait, you can RNG abuse in Kalos/6th gen games? so many people said it was difficult to RNG abuse in 6th generation games.

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...Oh. Kalos. Kalos is 6th Gen. Unova was 5th Gen. I definitely did not forget.

K so disregard everything I said about RNG, as it is not actually possible in 6th Gen. All that talk was indeed about UNOVA which is the ACTUAL 5th Gen, where RNG WAS possible and super easy.

Still, the Milotic seems fine. To be from Kalos it would have to have been bred in XY, which is fine. Probably they were breeding for something decent and the Shiny popped out.

Sorry for the confusion! You'd think I'd have everything straight but alas. @w@

OK, I need help checking a shiny Golurk that I just got through a trade. All information is below:


region of origin: Kalos

I.V.s: Max in all stats

Nature: Adamant

Ability: Iron Fist

Ribbons: Alola Champion Ribbon, Hoenn Champion Ribbon, Kalos Champion Ribbon, Contest Star Ribbon, Coolness Master Ribbon, Beauty Master Ribbon, Cuteness Master Ribbon, Cleverness Master Ribbon, Toughness Master Ribbon, Best Friends Ribbon, Effort Ribbon, Gorgeous Ribbon, Royal Ribbon, Gorgeous Royal Ribbon, Footprint Ribbon

Where You Received it From: Wonder Trade

OT/ID: Marlies<3; 31476

Moveset: Earthquake, Shadow Punch, Ice Punch, Heavy Slam

Stats: 381 Attack, 196 Defense, 209 Speed, 196 Special Defense, 131 Special Attack, 320 HP

E.V. Spread: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP

Level: 1oo

Other Info: Has Pokerus

MadamGlitch said:

OK, I need help checking a shiny Golurk that I just got through a trade. All information is below:


region of origin: Kalos

I.V.s: Max in all stats

Nature: Adamant

Ability: Iron Fist

Ribbons: Alola Champion Ribbon, Hoenn Champion Ribbon, Kalos Champion Ribbon, Contest Star Ribbon, Coolness Master Ribbon, Beauty Master Ribbon, Cuteness Master Ribbon, Cleverness Master Ribbon, Toughness Master Ribbon, Best Friends Ribbon, Effort Ribbon, Gorgeous Ribbon, Royal Ribbon, Gorgeous Royal Ribbon, Footprint Ribbon

Where You Received it From: Wonder Trade

OT/ID: Marlies<3; 31476

Moveset: Earthquake, Shadow Punch, Ice Punch, Heavy Slam

Stats: 381 Attack, 196 Defense, 209 Speed, 196 Special Defense, 131 Special Attack, 320 HP

E.V. Spread: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP

Level: 1oo

Other Info: Has Pokerus

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Hmm, the combination of all those factors make me pretty sure it's hacked, especially since it came from WT. No results for the OT/ID so it's not from a Youtuber/streamer of some sort. Are all its contest stats maxed as well?

RoadMart said:

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Since it has the Alola Champion ribbon I don't think they can check contest stats...right?

I'm not really sure how to check contest stuff since I got it in Sun

Soapyyy said:

Since it has the Alola Champion ribbon I don't think they can check contest stats...right?

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MadamGlitch said:

I'm not really sure how to check contest stuff since I got it in Sun

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Whoops, I didn't realize that. Still gonna call hax on it, seems too good to be true.

RoadMart said:

Whoops, I didn't realize that. Still gonna call hax on it, seems too good to be true.

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I agree with you, the ribbons are overkill

That sucks. Thanks for helping me with this Pokemon.

MadamGlitch said:

That sucks. Thanks for helping me with this Pokemon.

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Personally I don't think it's fair to definitively call hacks on that Golurk. Suspicious? Absolutely! But all of those ribbons are attainable without hacks. What makes it most suspicious to me is if someone went through all of that trouble to attain those ribbons on a shiny mon, ev train it, and max its lvl; why would they give it away so freely as to wondertrade it where it could possibly be attained by any trainer with the potential of cloning to put it into mass production. Should it be noted that it's extremely suspicious? Yes. Even require as a stipulation for trade that people are notified of the suspicion. Banned as a hack? I don't agree. Heck refer to my original shop or RNC's shop and see BOZO's Gyarados. It looks way to good to be true, but I took and still take RNC's word to the bank. I defer to our lovely TC mod Soapyyy because her word is law, but that's just my 2 cents.

Mikazuki said:

Personally I don't think it's fair to definitively call hacks on that Golurk. Suspicious? Absolutely! But all of those ribbons are attainable without hacks. What makes it most suspicious to me is if someone went through all of that trouble to attain those ribbons on a shiny mon, ev train it, and max its lvl; why would they give it away so freely as to wondertrade it where it could possibly be attained by any trainer with the potential of cloning to put it into mass production. Should it be noted that it's extremely suspicious? Yes. Even require as a stipulation for trade that people are notified of the suspicion. Banned as a hack? I don't agree. Heck refer to my original shop or RNC's shop and see BOZO's Gyarados. It looks way to good to be true, but I took and still take RNC's word to the bank. I defer to our lovely TC mod Soapyyy because her word is law, but that's just my 2 cents.

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My word isn't an absolute however lol.
But active Pokérus + All those ribbons + EV train + 6IV + Wonder Trade is an extremely frequent pattern for hacks. While sure, all of that can be optained legitimately, but it is highly unlikely as you say, and I would rather not have those going around. As I stated in my hack checking guide, Shiny Pokémon from Wonder Trade and GTS should be treated very cautiously. ^-^;

Got these 2 Pokemon in a Wonder Trade. Now, they seem legit at first look but I want to double check. They are a Level 100 Shiny Dialga and a Level 100 Shiny Volcarona. Now, I know it was possible to get a Shiny Dialga through an event which seems to be the case here, however the Volcarona is ... I'm not sure.

Volcarona - F - 100
Pokerus Black Pentagon
HP - 311
ATT - 113
DEF - 166
Sp.A - 369
Sp.D - 247
Spd - 328
Timid
Flame Body
Weakness Policy
Inside Luxury Ball

Dialga - N/A - 100
No Icon which would make sense as an Event Pokemon pre-Gen 6
HP - 404
ATT - 220
Def - 277
Sp.A - 438
Sp.D - 236
Spd - 216
Modest
Pressure
Adamant Orb
Inside Cherish Ball