News: Two Familiar Faces Appear in the Pokémon Sun and Moon Anime!

Alexander18 said:

Everything has a reason. Sinnoh deserves time to shine more than kanto. I get that alolan forms are only versions of gen 1 but i really don't like the fact that ash is heading back to kanto in the middle of his current one.

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Maybe I'm not particularly fond of Ash leaving in the middle of a region, but on the other hand, I'm also not fond of how Sun and Moon basically short-changed Ash by forcing him to go to school despite prior seasons establishing he didn't even need to go to school to be a good trainer and essentially ruining his Pokemon Master goal as a result. Compared to that, I can tolerate him going back to Kanto in the middle of a region. Besides, it's a class trip anyways, so it's not like there isn't justification in this case.

And you still haven't answered WHY they should show Sinnoh elements in Movie 20, especially when the main plot of Movie 20, canon or not, is a retelling of Ash's first journey.

Can't the students learn it from books on kanto pokemon in alola instead of going all the way to kanto. Trip hates kanto and those who come from kanto. It was mentioned in the anime.

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What does Trip have to do with Sun and Moon? Last I checked, he was from Best Wishes and not even remotely involved in the Sun and Moon series. If you're going to try to use a character to badmouth any return to Kanto, make sure its an actual character in Sun and Moon.

And honestly, do you REALLY think they'd contradict a pretty big theme like going out and getting first-hand experience regarding this, especially regarding marketing potential, even WITH the most radical alterations to the plot thus far? Learning from books, are you kidding me? The School of Hard Knocks for starters actually showed how simply going by books is NOT the way to go as a trainer.

weedle_mchairybug said:

Maybe I'm not particularly fond of Ash leaving in the middle of a region, but on the other hand, I'm also not fond of how Sun and Moon basically short-changed Ash by forcing him to go to school despite prior seasons establishing he didn't even need to go to school to be a good trainer and essentially ruining his Pokemon Master goal as a result. Compared to that, I can tolerate him going back to Kanto in the middle of a region. Besides, it's a class trip anyways, so it's not like there isn't justification in this case.

And you still haven't answered WHY they should show Sinnoh elements in Movie 20, especially when the main plot of Movie 20, canon or not, is a retelling of Ash's first journey.



What does Trip have to do with Sun and Moon? Last I checked, he was from Best Wishes and not even remotely involved in the Sun and Moon series. If you're going to try to use a character to badmouth any return to Kanto, make sure its an actual character in Sun and Moon.

And honestly, do you REALLY think they'd contradict a pretty big theme like going out and getting first-hand experience regarding this, especially regarding marketing potential, even WITH the most radical alterations to the plot thus far? Learning from books, are you kidding me? The School of Hard Knocks for starters actually showed how simply going by books is NOT the way to go as a trainer.

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They don't need a reason to put sinnoh elements in movie 20. Maybe it points to remakes? I have no idea but they can do what they want. No SM character hates kanto so Trip was the best choice. He was right about kanto in my opinion. Reading from books is not a bad thing.

weedle_mchairybug said:

You know that Ash came from Kanto and thus that was his first region, right? If it had been Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, or even Alola that had been his first region, those regions would have gotten the focus instead.

And besides, if any region was overused, it was Sinnoh. I mean, come on! Movie 20 has several references to Sinnoh despite it never even being remotely hinted that there will be Gen IV remakes.

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Sinnoh has the shoved down our throats pokemon, Lucario so they gotta show it during the 20th movie.

strangerhypno said:

Sinnoh has the shoved down our throats pokemon, Lucario so they gotta show it during the 20th movie.

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I respectfully disagree. Sinnoh is my favorite and has not been shoved down our throats. Kanto has. Both anime and games have been kanto pandering for quite a while. Ash going to kanto in the middle of his alola journey only increases the pandering.

My opinion though.

I brought it up earlier but I think it would've made more sense if what's happening in these two episodes were combined with the retelling of Ash's journey beginning to form the 20th movie. It just would've made a lot more sense than what they did do for the movie and having Ash return to Kanto and reunite with Brock and Misty again be episodes within the anime.

So the Squirtle Squad returned... I think the last time we saw them was still during the era of the 4Kids dub, so that's great.

Anyways, next week's episode seems to show Misty doesn't hate her Psyduck anymore.

Hikamaru said:

So the Squirtle Squad returned... I think the last time we saw them was still during the era of the 4Kids dub, so that's great.

Anyways, next week's episode seems to show Misty doesn't hate her Psyduck anymore.

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I'm pretty sure she stopped hating her Psyduck since at least Johto. And besides, she never really hated Psyduck anyways, was more irritated with it. Still, nice to see she's nice to it.

And yeah, last time we directly saw the Squirtle Squad was back in Johto. We already got Charizard back in Ash's roster back in BW, let's hope Ash's Squirtle is next to come back to Ash's team.

So far as her taking off her outfit to swim, to be honest, while I'm not entirely sure about that bit, at least she was clearly shown to be wearing a swimwear underneath during her pink intro, so I won't complain (besides, at least it wasn't like May in the episode Brave the Wave where they made it seem as though she literally stripped naked in front of company, which is actually pretty disgusting especially given not only the intended audience but also her actual age).

I also noticed they managed to reference her sisters. I wonder if that is meant to foreshadow something. I know with Brock, we've seen his brothers already, and he's technically no longer the gym leader anyway, but in Misty's case, her sisters are the reason she's a gym leader right now since the end of Johto. I'll keep count of episodes. If she stays for five, maybe 10 consecutive episodes and shows no sign of leaving, it's safe to say she's back for good.

Either way, things are definitely looking up for this arc from what I could tell.

I think you have your expectations set way too high.

weedle_mchairybug said:

If she stays for five, maybe 10 consecutive episodes and shows no sign of leaving, it's safe to say she's back for good.

Either way, things are definitely looking up for this arc from what I could tell.

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I don't see her staying past these two episode tbh, maybe an extra two if lucky. I'd be pleasantly surprised otherwise though.

Rajas20 said:

I don't see her staying past these two episode tbh, maybe an extra two if lucky. I'd be pleasantly surprised otherwise though.

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I'm pretty sure their even teasing Misty and Brock's return like this seems to suggest they're appearing for far more than just two episodes (they didn't do that with the other characters when they returned, not even back with Battle Frontier which was not only the first time Ash actually revisited Kanto for more than just his usual layover between regional leagues, but also nearing the 10th anniversary for the franchise as a whole). Besides, that's why I said I'll keep count of the episodes, just to be sure whether she's going to be staying permanently or not.

I think you have your expectations set way too high.

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Never said any of my statements were a sure thing. Only said hope they are the case (besides, never said Ash should have Squirtle on his current team. There's always plenty of room for Squirtle at Professor Oak's Lab after all, and Ash's Charizard was at Oak's lab as of BW when originally it was under Lisa's care.), and in the case of Misty and Brock permanently returning, I also said I'd keep count of the episodes just to be sure before I can safely assume they are back for good, and I picked 5 episodes, 10 episodes tops as a reasonable way to gauge whether they're staying for good, since none of the prior characters when temporarily staying with Ash ever exceeded four consecutive episodes. And anyways, as long as Misty's Mega Gyarados loses to Pikachu and not to one of Ash's Alola-mons, it's a win-win situation for me either way regardless of if Misty wins or Ash wins.

weedle_mchairybug said:

I'm pretty sure their even teasing Misty and Brock's return like this seems to suggest they're appearing for far more than just two episodes (they didn't do that with the other characters when they returned, not even back with Battle Frontier which was not only the first time Ash actually revisited Kanto for more than just his usual layover between regional leagues, but also nearing the 10th anniversary for the franchise as a whole). Besides, that's why I said I'll keep count of the episodes, just to be sure whether she's going to be staying permanently or not.

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Fair enough, would be weird though as the cast is already packed imo, could see them popping over to Alola at some point maybe.

Rajas20 said:

Fair enough, would be weird though as the cast is already packed imo, could see them popping over to Alola at some point maybe.

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Eh, I can see some ways to make the whole thing work. Misty and Lana, for example, would definitely work together due to their common interests, and would also help out Mallow as well due to her being a type specialist (for grass in this case) and would develop all three of their goals as well. And Brock's status as a Pokemon doctor would probably be of help to the other half of the cast.

weedle_mchairybug said:

Eh, I can see some ways to make the whole thing work. Misty and Lana, for example, would definitely work together due to their common interests, and would also help out Mallow as well due to her being a type specialist (for grass in this case) and would develop all three of their goals as well. And Brock's status as a Pokemon doctor would probably be of help to the other half of the cast.

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It's possible tbh but I think it'd feel cramped still just like today's episode. That's just my view anyways although I really miss Brock lol.

Well, after some discussion with my peers, I'll make an exception to my Disney boycott to allow for those episodes where Misty and Brock returns, mostly to savor the possible victory.

weedle_mchairybug said:

Well, after some discussion with my peers, I'll make an exception to my Disney boycott to allow for those episodes where Misty and Brock returns, mostly to savor the possible victory.

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Now the question is, will Rachael Lillis return or will she be sticking with Michele Knotz, her Mastermind of Mirage Pokemon VA?

Hikamaru said:

Now the question is, will Rachael Lillis return or will she be sticking with Michele Knotz, her Mastermind of Mirage Pokemon VA?

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That's tricky, since while it is possible that they could use her PUSA voice actor, it's also just as likely they'll bring in Rachel Lillis (after all, they had Ed Paul, Giovanni's 4Kids VA, reprise the role midway through DP and is still voicing the character to this day. If they can do it for Giovanni, we shouldn't rule out their doing the same for Misty).

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That's tricky, since while it is possible that they could use her PUSA voice actor, it's also just as likely they'll bring in Rachel Lillis (after all, they had Ed Paul, Giovanni's 4Kids VA, reprise the role midway through DP and is still voicing the character to this day. If they can do it for Giovanni, we shouldn't rule out their doing the same for Misty).

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Michele Knotz's only time voicing Misty was in MoMP where Ash had that terrible voice done by Kayzie Rogers. I know Lillis did voice Maylene, so if the Giovanni example is something to go by, we could potentially see Lillis reprising her original role.

Probably expecting Bill Rogers to return for Brock's voice.

Hikamaru said:

Michele Knotz's only time voicing Misty was in MoMP where Ash had that terrible voice done by Kayzie Rogers. I know Lillis did voice Maylene, so if the Giovanni example is something to go by, we could potentially see Lillis reprising her original role.

Probably expecting Bill Rogers to return for Brock's voice.

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Well, there was also the flashbacks to Charmander as well in BW, but yeah. Only one way to find out, and that's wait until December rolls around.

Yeah, we'll see.

Probably predicting it to be Michele Knotz since she seems to be the current VA.

At least we get to see Brock use his steelix. I think that misty may win the battle against ash.