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Old October 11th, 2018 (1:10 PM).
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Originally Posted by Ivysaur View Post
And I just want to say, if anybody is angry to have a rabid Republican partisan who also happens to be an (attempted) rapist on the Supreme Court, just vote Democratic in November.
I will be, but probably not the way you're hoping.

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Ha ha remember when the worst thing about Kavanaugh was his bad financial skills and not that he's probably a rapist, good times.
I feel like we watched a different hearing. Was the person with the sketchy memory (she changed her story several times), the list of witnesses who all said they had no idea what she was talking about, and who was constantly surrounded by DNC politicians, lawyers, and supporters talking into her ear really so convincing? Because I just wasn't feeling it. It seemed like a textbook smear campaign, and given the poll numbers I posted in the other thread (which again, showed weighted and unweighted averages over the course of several weeks, not just one single source), I don't think I'm the only one.

The real irony here is that I'm not a huge fan of Kavanaugh. I agree with Ivysaur's first point: he's absolutely a partisan with clear bias and I think it's a sad joke to nominate him to replace Kennedy, one of the most nuanced and moderate justices on the bench. I think Kavanaugh would have been pushed through no matter what the Democrats did, but I think they would have come out of it looking a lot better to undecided/on the fence voters if they chose to focus more on how he's unprofessional and hyper-partisan. I think all they accomplished with the Ford accusation is making him look more sympathetic to people who aren't fond of false accusations (and considering the Democrats used to be champions of overturning false accusations, that plays well with a lot of former Dems). It was a bad move politically and I think they're going to get hammered at the voting booth for it.
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Honestly my biggest peeve with the Ford case is that the complete focus of his nomination changed from his competency as a nonpartisan judge to his past as a mukty young adult. I don't want to state an opinion on Ford but I feel like it honestly hurt the dems more than it helped them. Kavanaugh's senate hearings were an absolute joke and instead of throwing his own opinion forward just referenced what the Supreme Court did in the past.

To me, his initial hearing should have been the focus because after seeing his responses to the questioning he was just not fit for the job, but at the end of the day that's just not what happened.

It's a shame.
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    I did not have much of an opinion about Kavanaugh (I never had even heard of him until the pick was presented), and just thought that as long as SCOTUS wasn't going to bend to the Democrats' will (I oppose almost everything the Democrats believe in), it didn't matter to me who was on the court. But after what happened with Ford, I just come to the conclusion that if the Democrats don't want a certain something, it MIGHT be ok to have it (though I think the Dems and I do agree that extreme doctrines like communism don't work).
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    Old October 11th, 2018 (11:16 PM). Edited October 11th, 2018 by colours.
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    While it's possible that the Kavanaugh hearings might've hurt the Democrats, I'm not sure it's quite as bad as some people are making it out to be in this thread. I think what needs to be considered was that throughout this entire debacle, Kavanaugh was a deeply controversial and partisan figure. This goes without saying of course, but I think even among your average everyday voter, his approval ratings are pretty much what you'd expect among both Republicans and Democrats.

    It can also be said that his confirmation can be a boost in motivation for pro-abortion activists. All in all, I'd hesitate in drawing a full picture of gloom and doom for the Dems because the data doesn't quite support that conclusion. Their House chances are about as good as they've ever been, and their Senate chances are about as medicore/bad as they've ever been. The Senate was always going to be a long shot to win, and the House was always going to be Dem-favoured, anyway.

    In short, the Kavanaugh confirmation basically moved the needle in a predictable direction, to the benefit of both Democrats and Republicans. I don't believe this will end up hurting Dems long-term because Net Neutrality is still something that's a sore spot with a lot of people that I think will be stressed ad nauseum, among other issues but not certainly limited to Kavanaugh himself.
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    Old October 27th, 2018 (4:46 AM). Edited October 27th, 2018 by Trev.
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    Y’all literally act like I toted out a neon sign saying “Kavanaugh is a huge rapist.” I said “probably” since there was no official conclusion reached - read my actual words next time.

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