Strippers: Trash or respect?

So after reading this post from someone I have added on facebook (whom I will soon delete):

"I think it's sad an pathetic for a women to dance naked for money. How does one even feel comfortable dancing for a bunch of men I don't even feel comfortable dancing for my bf. It"s really upsetting the lack of respect theses woman's have for them selfs they need help. That's not the only way to make money ...wh***s . Idk why I care . That money you make now your not going to be making later on when your ass and boobs are sagging . Then You're gona wish u went to school or had a real job . Call me closed minded idc it's just upsetting."

I do agree that women should not be strippers. There are so many alternate jobs for women to choose from to make money when they are struggling. However, they still shouldn't be treated like dirt like the person who made this facebook status did to them.

Your thoughts?

Well they make some good money and they chose to be like that so how can I really complain?

Alfieri said:

I do agree that women should not be strippers. There are so many alternate jobs for women to choose from to make money when they are struggling. However, they still shouldn't be treated like dirt like the person who made this facebook status did to them.

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"There are other jobs" isn't a reason for someone not to be a stripper. You can apply that logic to literally any job.

Limerent said:

Get stuffed, us men have no such easy way outs in life.

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Idk, a guy offered me €30 to suck his dick on Grindr once. There's always options.

yo if you don't think strippers/porn stars/prostitutes are human then watch Boogie Nights, that'll give you some perspective. (not saying it's completely factual but there's definitely a lot of realism there.) I don't see a problem with people doing what they have to do to put bread on the table within the law. if that's the only work they can find, then more power to them.

Not all strippers necessarily are having money problems. If they make stripping into their career they can make just about as much as someone with a 4 year degree and they only work half the time too. I don't look down on strippers or prostitutes, everyone makes money some way or another and if you're good at it why not do it?

Both. Strippers are trashy and I can respect that. (joking)

Choices of career are made based off a variety of factors, educational limitation, amount of hours per pay, at-home work hours (lawyers/academics), hour flexibility, the amount of effort for wages earned, among other things.

College students especially factor in the time/effort to pay ratio. It's a well-paying part-time job with hours that work for students. The aspect of the market that is attractive about stripping is that it is a down flow of money from upper-lower, middle, and upper class workers to those, who would otherwise not have a job or pay for school.

That being said, what are the psychological and sociological costs to stripping? Should the market exist for the sake of both the patrons and strippers of strip clubs?

Being trashy or respected seems more subjective and distracting from the actual societal costs/benefits of the strip club industry.

@Limerent

If you go on to craigslist to view apartments it's usually (if not always) men who seek other women/men as "bedmates" without need to pay rent. The implication being sex for housing.

The idea of female entitlement as you've described isn't really an accurate depiction of sexual exchanges. Conversely, men the consumers (demand-side of the market), and women/men are either the club-owners, marketers, and/or product depending upon a variety of factors (supply-side). Usually consumers are the ones that feel entitled to a product, rather than marketers as entitled to customers.

Though, some women can be on the demand side of the model (as wanting to pay for sex-related favors), it's usually the other way around, due to inherent differences between men and women, which even transcends sexual orientation. That is, humans tend to be mildly polygnous. Gay male strippers, likewise, might play into the dynamic as the being the "product".

Hypergamy, similarly, works into the supply-demand model above as far as entitlement. The trend of hypergamy, if anything, has declined in the US as women are earning higher wages and graduating from universities and grad schools at higher rates than men. Actually, in my program, many men AND women are dating attractive people who have low earning potential.

Alfieri said:

Why not?

(ugh 4/25 rule)

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...Because you can apply that logic to any job... like I said. "Stripping is bad because you can have other jobs" doesn't make any sense. What ACTUAL reasons do you have for being against stripping and WHY should you just get a different job or w/e?

Strippers as in naked dancers? Who cares, do as you will.

Strippers as in people who insist on eating chicken in strips as opposed to bone-in wings, legs, and wings? No respect. No respect.

Grey Wind said:

...Because you can apply that logic to any job... like I said. "Stripping is bad because you can have other jobs" doesn't make any sense. What ACTUAL reasons do you have for being against stripping and WHY should you just get a different job or w/e?

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I'm asking you to elaborate on your reply, not repeat.

When did I ever say stripping was bad? I said that there are other jobs to choose from.

Alfieri said:

I'm asking you to elaborate on your reply, not repeat.

When did I ever say stripping was bad? I said that there are other jobs to choose from.

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"I do agree that women should not be strippers". I'm questioning the logic that women should not be strippers because they can have other jobs. Unless you think that stripping is bad then there's no reason for you to think that someone should get a different job. WHY should they get another job?

Grey Wind said:

"I do agree that women should not be strippers". I'm questioning the logic that women should not be strippers because they can have other jobs. Unless you think that stripping is bad then there's no reason for you to think that someone should get a different job. WHY should they get another job?

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Because some women feel like it's their 1 and only choice and that they are bound by that choice when they are absolutely incorrect. There are many choices to choose from if someone is struggling.

Strippers usually make six figures and are incredibly fit. It definitely takes a lot to be a stripper, not anyone can be one, and it definitely isn't a job people choose when they're "desperate". Much respect.

Also, have none of you guys heard that men can be strippers too? O_o

If that's how they wish to live their lives, then who am I to judge?

stripping is unfortunately the only option for some people, given either their economic background or choices made in their lives or whatever. the point is, there are many reasons as to why someone will end up stripping (or taking the more graphic road of a sex worker) out of necessity.
and on the flipside, there are those who take up such a career because they are comfortable enough in themselves to show off their bodies to the gaze of numerous people and use their charms to drain the audience of their money.

should we judge? lord almighty, no. the energy & self-determination it takes to take up stripping is enormous and that's just the physical side of it alone. if the stripper in question is someone who has done it out of necessity rather than the love of voyeurism, the mental weight of the situation can be incredibly huge. to go in day after day and subject yourself to the lustful view of often hundreds of people in order to provide for yourself and often a child is commendable.

i've been gender neutral thus far in order to get my point across, but the fact of the matter is that the judgement of strippers primarily falls on women. they are deemed as trash for (more often than not out of a need to survive) taking part in a system that lusts them while simultaneously telling them they are nothing more than a sex object for the male gaze. too often they are treated as trash, abused, assaulted and much more simply for trying to survive the only way they are able to. maybe they did make bad choices that led them to stripping or any form of sex working, but that does not give you the right to judge them for trying to do what little they can to live.
of course, as i said earlier, there are those who stripping willingly, because they have the option of autonomy and making delicious amounts of money off the lust of other human beings. but many in the business do not have the option of said autonomy.

furthermore, if you have ever watched porn for the purpose of getting off, you have no right to judge considering how disgusting the porn industry is. but that is a different discussion for a different thread.

in closing, i wish for the dismantling of a system that forces women to be degraded by their audience, but i fully respect and understand that for the meanwhile they have to do what is necessary to make a living.

Sometimes it's tacky. *shrugs*

It's not like we can't judge them on anything at all.

I mean, sure, if they're tacky. Always call out tackiness. But some of them have really awesome outfits! Sometimes I'm jealous.

Aphrodite said:

sometimes the performances themselves are tacky but that's an aesthetic aspect that hardly factors into the actual discussion at hand

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tackiness is always relevant just look at how the internet responded to that comet landing

sometimes the performances themselves are tacky but that's an aesthetic aspect that hardly factors into the actual discussion at hand

People are and should be free to pursue whatever career or hobby they wish so long as they're not coercing or harming someone in the process.

Stripping, dancing, burlesque, working men's clubs, whatever you want to call the thing, it ain't exactly my cup of tea, but I'm also not one to judge. If that's how someone chooses to spend an evening or if someone decides that it's a good way to make some money, great. It's a simple exchange of money for a service at the end of the day.

I think with the history of sexual subjugation of women, and the fact that sexual slavery is still a thing in the world, we should make sure to look at sex workers (including strippers in this umbrella definition) closely to make sure these aren't their only options. I do know some sex workers who are satisfied with their work; they wish they could do something that made more money but feel no less satisfied than if they were working retail or McDonald's.

I read an interesting article a long time ago about online sex shows where they were interviewing sex workers on webcam sites and devastatingly they couldn't get any of the low-income, obviously being taken advantage of women to even talk to them because the second they asked about her life she would refuse to talk about anything. I did some googling and found it here (NSFW).