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Serious Alabama passes strictest abortion law in the United States

To be frank abortion has taught irresponsibility, women should know having unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy.
Irresponsibility?! Why do you say that?
If said women didn't want a child or couldn't afford having a child then why are they having sex in the first place? Mainly because even if your using protection it could fail, so why take the risk?
Come now. It's 2019. Sex between two consenting adults is not a big deal/should not be a huge risk.
Also I think we need to try to mandate some sort of birth control measure.
Do you mind clarifying?
I also don't get the my body arguments when that developing human being is not your body, but somebody elses even if it is in a womens womb.
I think this type of argument comes down to the timeline of when is a fetus considered a human/etc. Typically, the latest someone is allowed to have an abortion is somewhere between 25-27 weeks, but most abortions don't even happen that late. According to the CDC, in 2015:
The majority of abortions in 2015 took place early in gestation:
  • 91.1% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks' gestation; a smaller number of abortions
  • (7.6%) were performed at 14–20 weeks' gestation
  • (1.3%) were performed at ≥21 weeks' gestation.
In 2015, 24.6% of all abortions were early medical abortions (a non-surgical abortion at ≤8 weeks' gestation).
So, when a majority of these abortions are happening, typically the fetus is not barely formed.
If I was a governor of a state I would definitely be demanding sex-ed courses be mandatory in school for all students and ensure that birth control was reachable by all women in a aid to attempt to prevent unwanted pregnancies, but I would also put out there that not having sex is the best form of birth control that there is.
Abstinence-only education is incredibly ineffective. Source (Article re: a recent study into Abstinence-only education). It also kinda goes without saying - obviously the only way to not get pregnant 100% is to not have sex.
Firstly, Abortion is not explicitly mentioned in the USA Constitution so when Elected officials or anyone says that its a "Constitutional Right" are either lying or are blatantly ignorant.
Ok, but in Roe v Wade, the Supreme Court ruled that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a fundamental "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose whether or not to have an abortion.

So, while it's not explicitly in the constitution, the 14th Amendment is why it was made legal.
Secondly, the biggest provider of Abortions is Planned Parenthood. Rather ironic name when you think about it since the name implies support and advice on reproducing and not doing the exact opposite(which is what Abortion is). Third, one of the root causes of this whole debate that doesn't get enough attention is the $$$$$$$$$$$$$. Planned Parenthood gets gobs of Federal and State cash to run their operations, some of which they funnel back into Lobbyists and Elected Officials to keep the $$$$$ train coming. I don't know about you but that reeks of Corruption(Taxpayer funded may I add).
Okay......

Also, "(while Planned Parenthood) does receive federal funding, but the money cannot be used for abortions by law. Fun rant though.

In related news, Missouri Senate Advances Fetal Heartbeat Abortion Bill. Big yikes on that.
 
If you ask me, passing obviously illegal laws should come with mandatory restitution to those harmed when they're overturned. For extra fun, take the funding out of the paychecks of everyone who voted for the malignant bill. It'd be a good lesson in civics for the people responsible for the abuse.

Can you imagine if state legislatures just started passing bills every few years that restrict e.g. freedom of the press? It wouldn't matter what the constitution said because it takes time for the laws to get challenged in the courts. In the meantime, the press isn't allowed to report on the abuse of the system or, worse, is shut down, either by corrupt officials or due to inability to profit in an environment where they can't report anything meaningful. Maybe they can sue for damages afterward... if they still have the resources to do so. What's the purpose of even having a court if the legislature just ignores its decisions and the courts can't undo the damage those invalid laws have done?

That's similar to what's happening here. Abortion clinics take significant resources to operate. Did Alabama pass this bill to try and test Roe v Wade given the new makeup of the court? Probably, but that's not the only reason. A large part of the reason they, and others, pass bills like these is because it forces abortion clinics to shut down. They don't even care if it gets overturned because it accomplishes their goal of shutting down abortion clinics either way, although I'm sure they'd like it to get overturned. It doesn't matter to them whether their law is legitimate or not, their primary goal is to cause abortion clinics to close and prevent abortions.

What we have here is elected officials, people who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution, abusing their station to pass laws that (in the best reading of the situation) suit their moral viewpoint. That this is being done by people who wrap themselves in the flag and call themselves patriots is even more disgusting to me. Regardless of my personal thoughts on abortion and how it should be handled by the law, deliberate abuse of the legal system is unacceptable; our social order relies on peoples' belief in the legitimacy of our systems. If you swear an oath to uphold the law of the land and then break that oath, you don't get to call yourself a patriot.

This is why I think we need some kind of punitive measures for laws that are obviously and deliberately passed in the face of existing legal precedent if it can be proven that such a law causes direct harm to existing people, businesses, or organizations. The Alabama legislature here is acting in blatant conempt of court, and if the courts can't undo the damage these invalid laws do, they should at least hold responsible those passing the laws. If Alabama disagrees with Roe v Wade, they can bring a case against it if they can argue from some unique legal perspective that hasn't already been explored; otherwise, the correct path for the legislature to override a judicial decision is through a constitutional amendment. "Just keep passing laws that fly in the face of precedent and see if something sticks" is not (or at least should not) be a valid tactic and should come with real consequences.

As far as the issue of abortion itself, I think abortions should only be permitted if it can be argued that there is a strong case that it would improve the wellbeing of the mother (or potentially some other kind of mitigating circumstance). However, this is less important to me than the abuse of the law, because while abortion does affect a lot of people, it doesn't threaten the integrity of the legal system itself. Its potential impact is, therefore, comparatively limited.

Abortion is not explicitly mentioned in the USA Constitution so when Elected officials or anyone says that its a "Constitutional Right" are either lying or are blatantly ignorant.
You are correct that it is not a right explicitly guaranteed by the Constitution. However, the US Supreme Court is empowered by the Constitution in its station to pass binding decisions regarding the constitutionality of laws. In Roe v Wade, it ruled that abortion violates a woman's constitutionally implied right to privacy. The right to privacy is also not a constitutionally enumerated right, and yet it is a right that our courts have recognized. You may wish to reread the Bill of Rights, as you will stumble upon a certain amendment which states the following:
Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution said:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

A right does not need to be explicitly stated in the Constitution to be retained by the people; this is guaranteed by the Constitution itself. So while you are, again, largely correct that it is not a "Constitutionally [stated] right," the right to privacy has been found by the US Supreme Court to be a right implicitly granted by the Constitution. Moreover, the US Supreme court is empowered in its station by the Constitution itself to determine what is or is not meant by the Constitution. Therefore, the right to privacy is a right guaranteed by the Constitution, even if it is not explicitly guaranteed, as are all rights recognized by the US Supreme Court.

The oath to office varies from state to state, but I believe that all of them swear to uphold both the State and United States Constitutions. The exact text of the Alabama oath of office specifically is as follows:
Alabama Oath of Office said:
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of the United States and Constitution of Alabama, so long as I continue a citizen thereof, and that I will faithfully and honestly discharge the duties of the office [office] upon which I am about to enter, to the best of my ability. So help me God.

So, to pass a law knowing full well it violates a right recognized as constitutionally guaranteed by the courts is most certainly a violation of this oath. Moreover, the blatant disrespect for the decisions of past courts and the authority they carry appears to me to be contempt of court, and I believe it should be recognized and enforced as such.
 
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Alright, so I have been clear that for the most part I don't support this bill, but something keeps coming up in response to it that I think isn't the best argument. That being "the government can't tell women what to do with their bodies". Yes it can. A rather large portion of laws out there are specifically telling you what you can and cannot do with your bodies. You can't expose it publicly, you can't drink at a certain age, you can't risk your life in the army until a certain age, you can't put certain substances in your body etc. etc. Just because this is something that is largely directed at women doesn't change the fact that laws are telling us what we can and cannot do with our bodies all the time.

Personally, I think there has to be a limit to that somewhere, but that's another discussion entirely. My thoughts on this bill going too far remain the same and of course, it's illegal too. Hadn't even thought about that.
 
As a compromise on abortion as there seems to be two extremes going in the US. I was wondering what people would think if the US were to implement something more akin to Europe, in that Abortions for the first trimester ( 12 weeks ) are paid for by the Government, after that Abortion is illegal unless it endangers the woman. It has things in there both sides would want, and both sides would hate, but it would give some uniformity to the laws.
 
Honestly, this debate has to stop. So, who care if someone does an abortion? Does it affect YOU personally? The fact is, abortion is a completely voluntary procedure. It's time for these so-called 'pro-life' people to accept that simple fact. Don't want any abortions in your household? Well, that's your choice plain and simple.
 
I personally consider abortion immoral because I believe that life begins at the moment of conception. However, this is my own personal belief and not everyone holds the same belief and therefore I think abortion should be legal and I do not support this bill whatsoever. Making abortion completely illegal won't stop abortions from happening, which is something that people fail to acknowledge. Instead, women will resort to potentially dangerous methods to terminate their pregnancies.

We live in a democratic society and I think that people have a right to establish their own values, morals and should be able to make their own decisions. If a woman is incapable of raising a child in a safe, loving environment, if her general health and well being is at risk, or if she has been raped then I can completely understand why she would choose to get an abortion and I don't think that politicians should deny a woman the right to do so.
 
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I personally consider abortion immoral because I believe that life begins at the moment of conception. However, this is my own personal belief and not everyone holds the same belief and therefore I think abortion should be legal and I do not support this bill whatsoever. Making abortion completely illegal won't stop abortions from happening, which is something that people fail to acknowledge. Instead, women will resort to potentially dangerous methods to terminate their pregnancies.

We live in a democratic society and I think that people have a right to establish their own values, morals and should be able to make their own decisions. If a woman is incapable of raising a child in a safe, loving environment, if her general health and well being is at risk, or if she has been raped then I can completely understand why she would choose to get an abortion and I don't think that politicians should deny a woman the right to do so.

Same. I wouldn't do it myself unless there was some kind of underlying circumstances that would make it difficult if not impossible to raise a child. However, I'm not a busybody that tells everyone how to live. We're all humans, and we all have free will. Whether we base our ideas on a belief in some higher power or on secular (neutral on religion) ideas on right and wrong, we shouldn't pressure anybody to conform to a set of beliefs without a thought to how the other person thinks of the ideas.
 
A quote from my favourite science blogger:
We need to stop framing the abortion debate purely as a woman's issue. We really need to start addressing the men who impregnate them.

Abortion will always be the woman's choice, it's her body after all. However, since so many men are calling for women to "take responsibility" for their actions and not have an abortion, I propose men do the same thing. After all, it was their ejaculate that helped fertiliser the egg.

If women can't have abortions from 6 weeks onwards, men should pay mandatory child support from 6 weeks onwards.

Take responsibility for your dick, dudes.
 
I think the banning is disgusting. I know there's other ways to get an abortion if you really need one. Take a trip and do it privately, for one thing.
Though, the fact that they really voted to take that choice away from women disgusts me.
If men had to carry children to term, you know that law would change back into giving people the choice.

I love this, and I think would actually help more people think twice about the matter.
 
The lawmakers who support laws like these (who are almost always male, white, rich, and Republican) claim to be the "party of family values and the "moral guardians."

And then they publicly say horrible things like this:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/personal-foul/

It seriously causes me to question their true motives. I'm just glad all the folks on this page are no longer in office.
 
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