AZ's Floette

[Altairis]

I was just reminded that this exists today! But it was never distributed. Do you think it can tie in to Sun & Moon's storyline somehow, or maybe it was a gimmick for XY that they decided never to release?

I would love to see it tied in somehow, I was always really interested in it and sad we could never use it legally :c

 

[raxic_ex]

Alolan Floette maybe, haha (wont happen), I also forgot that AZ's Floette is a thing to reconsider ~_~

If AZ will have appearance in Sun/Moon then his Floette will most likely be there, but other than that the chances are pretty slim. By far the only connection we got is Zygarde being spotted in Alola, and the Ultimate Weapon is located back in Kalos anyways.

Most likely AZ's Floette will be an event Pokemon with the distribution of it's special move, Light of Ruin. But... what if the move Light of Ruin plays a role in Alola... who knows, haha. Personally I think GF went the hassle to give the move Light of Ruin makes me wonder if AZ's Floette will be just a gimmick for XY...

 

[MarinoKadame]

It also has a Signature Fairy Move.

 

[kingdenas]

I love the story behing AZ and his Floette, but I feel it lacks content ... I just feel like there's more of it, and it wasn't that well explained and explored. The thing is, what does AZ have to do with Alola? I feel like the Ultimate Weapon was something restrict to X and Y, and since AZ was the one who created it, it makes sense him appearing in Kalos. The only thing I can see is him having other stories regarding Alola's culture. I don't know, we can still dream! Hey, Zygarde also doesn't look a "part" of Alola, but now he's being explored, while in X and Y it was completely ignored :/

 

[Lunar]

I feel like this is another thing that was never really finished in X and Y and I still get the feeling that game Freak just want us to forget about Kalos as soon as possible. There's so many things in that region that weren't explained and in my opinion this is another one that we may never get the answer to.

 

[Count]

I guess it would make a bit of sense if they made it so that AZ turns out to have originated from Alola and his Floette is indeed an Alolan Floette. But AZ himself is not very Alola-y at all... and I don't know how I would feel about the Alolan form of Floette. But I guess it could work.

I agree with ScoSap, it's probably one of the many things that we'll never get an answer to.

 

[blue]

Well if you look at the list of Pokemon that was found from the coding in X/Y, you'll realize that all of them have now been used except for AZ's floette.

Spoiler:

These were all found prior to the announcement of ORAS, so we know the Mega Latis were debuted in those games. The Vivillon patterns were released as events not long after, both in 2014. Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion were also released as events following the discovery, they were more spaced out but to this date they have all now been officially revealed and released. Now that just leaves AZ's Floette still unused which makes me think they still have a purpose for it, they just haven't shown it yet.

Sun & Moon's theme is something to do with flowers, that's been pretty evident with a lot of the reveals over the past few months and more obviously when it was teased during that interview with one of the Marketing Directors in 2015. I don't know how exactly they plan to release this event, but I have a strong suspicion that AZ will fit into the storyline of S/M and that is when we will either receive or encounter AZ's Floette.

 

[WingsofBliss]

They managed to make AZ connections with ORAS in some unexpected ways, so I think it's possible for them to do it in Alola. I personally don't really see how though, unless the Z-moves have a loose connection with Mega Evolution and Infinite Energy, which could be possible I guess. But like what has been mentioned earlier, it would be really contrived.

The most reasonable connection I can think of is that Hawaii is part of the French Polynesian culture, and French Polynesia is a group of several islands owned by France in the South Pacific. They could say that AZ once owned Alola as a territory or something to that effect, and through some kind of method you can obtain his Floette.

 

[clbgolden]

I think we will be able to get AZ's Floette, buttt probably not through a code/internet event or something. Unless Sun and Moon take place before XY (which I don't think is very likely), it'd be weird to receive the Floette that AZ was just reunited with. :P

I have two ideas on how we may obtain it:

1. Big plot twist: AZ's Floette is actually an Alolan Floette. (Probably not very likely because it has that signature move and high BST)
2. You can battle AZ in Sun and Moon, and after you defeat him he gives you his Floette to train. There's no set date he'd want it returned, so you could theoretically keep it forever. (I find this one more likely)

 

[MarinoKadame]

And also I would like to use Light of Ruin.

 

[Hikamaru]

Well if you look at the list of Pokemon that was found from the coding in X/Y, you'll realize that all of them have now been used except for AZ's floette.

Spoiler:

These were all found prior to the announcement of ORAS, so we know the Mega Latis were debuted in those games. The Vivillon patterns were released as events not long after, both in 2014. Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion were also released as events following the discovery, they were more spaced out but to this date they have all now been officially revealed and released. Now that just leaves AZ's Floette still unused which makes me think they still have a purpose for it, they just haven't shown it yet.

Sun & Moon's theme is something to do with flowers, that's been pretty evident with a lot of the reveals over the past few months and more obviously when it was teased during that interview with one of the Marketing Directors in 2015. I don't know how exactly they plan to release this event, but I have a strong suspicion that AZ will fit into the storyline of S/M and that is when we will either receive or encounter AZ's Floette.

I like your idea here, since we know a lot of the characters revealed for Sun & Moon so far seem to have flower connections with their names, and that could fit with AZ's Floette getting an event in Sun & Moon. Maybe it was planned for a 6th Gen event, but there wasn't enough time before the new generation so there's a chance its availability won't happen until now.

It's not like it's happened before - stuff that exists in game coding that didn't become available until a future title. One that definitely springs to mind is Ice Burn and Freeze Shock which were moves that existed in B/W's coding but weren't used until B2/W2 when they became the Kyurem formes' signature moves. There was also a God Stone that existed in the coding, but never got used similar to what happened with the Azure Flute.

We also knew about Thousand Arrows and Thousand Waves in X/Y's coding, and now they're officially debuting in 7th Gen as signature moves of Zygarde. Along with Core Enforcer (which didn't exist in 6th Gen coding) it makes Zygarde have the most signature moves of a single legendary.

 

[kingdenas]

We also knew about Thousand Arrows and Thousand Waves in X/Y's coding, and now they're officially debuting in 7th Gen as signature moves of Zygarde. Along with Core Enforcer (which didn't exist in 6th Gen coding) it makes Zygarde have the most signature moves of a single legendary.

This is why it makes me think AZ and his Floette being in Alola isn't exactly "impossible". If Zygarde, who doesn't seem to have any connections with Alola, is only now receiving these new forms and attacks (that were in XY's coding), while in X and Y it was just an unexplored legendary, why wouldn't AZ be in Alola? If AZ's Floette is coded in X and Y and we didn't have the chance to get it, why not appearing in Alola instead? Moreover, we know this new generation has something to do with flowers, which also hints to AZ's Floette.

 

[Desert Stream~]

AZ's floette is one of the few forms I like, I hope we can catch it in S/M!

 

[WingsofBliss]

The thing about Zygarde is a good point. Interestingly, there's evidence/references to both Zygarde, AZ and his Floette in Sootopolis in ORAS... all of which related to flowers(flowers and shrubs popped up after a mysterious green light enveloped Sootopolis after the disaster you quell).

By the time we're done playing Sun and Moon, I think we'll be up to our necks in flowers.

 

[Rivvon]

It's not like it's happened before - stuff that exists in game coding that didn't become available until a future title. One that definitely springs to mind is Ice Burn and Freeze Shock which were moves that existed in B/W's coding but weren't used until B2/W2 when they became the Kyurem formes' signature moves.

What's interesting to point out is that BW containing code to later be used in B2W2 served two purposes: one was to "prepare" for the features that would later be implemented in B2W2, two was to allow players to battle each other even if one of them had W2 and the other had B; since the data was in BW already, you didn't come across any communication limitation (unlike ORAS and XY where Game Freak chose not to patch XY to allow it to battle fully against ORAS...).

Because they're in separate generations (and considering that gen 6 could barely communicate within itself) it's very safe to say XY(/ORAS) and SM won't be able to communicate with each other (save for Pokémon transfer through Bank). With this in mind, there's only two options: one is that AZ's Floette was planned for use in battle/obtainment at one point and then scrapped, or that the inclusion of AZ's Floette in XY's code was Game Freak "preparing" for its inclusion in a future title. If XY were truly planned with no third version in mind, the whole situation becomes a bit more odd, because then that would mean it was planned from the beginning to be included in SM rather than in XY (similar to Zygarde's situation).

Of course, this would imply there's a narrative/lore connection between XY/Kalos and SM/Alola. While a part of me expects this to happen, there's no concrete evidence in favor of the argument as of now so there's no way to know for sure until more details are divulged.

 

[kingdenas]

The thing is, at least the way I see it, Zygarde can exist perhaps to be this special legendary in Sun & Moon that you can catch post-game maybe and there's not much more to it. That and I don't particularly see the relation between Zygarde itself and AZ? While in theory it's possible that Zygarde may be tied into the plot, I don't see what AZ would do besides make a small cameo.

Why would this "new Zygarde" (let's just call it that) be a post-game thing? ...Why didn't they give him attention in X and Y? He's just in a cave, waiting to be caught! These new forms and attacks could've been in XY... Why just now? My only guess is that Zygarde will take place in the plot of the game (either the main plot, or a post-game plot). I'm not saying AZ is related to Zygarde, but I'm just asking myself, if Zygarde is going to appear in Sun and Moon, why wouldn't AZ appear as well? And again, as I said, if AZ's Floette was in XY's coding and it hasn't been obtained "legally", I can only see them including it on Sun and Moon. And why would AZ's Floette randomly appear in Sun and Moon, if AZ isn't even there? It can be an event Pokémon, but that would be kinda disappointing :/

AZ's whole background was explained in X/Y as this guy who stopped a Pokemon war using a giant laser machina with the life force of other Pokemon, which I find really hard to tie into Alola for some reason.

He lived 3000 years (something like that), he could've travelled through other regions in search of his beloved Floette, and participated, for example, in Alola's lore...

I'm only expressing my opinion, and I can totally see your point as well. Maybe I'm completely wrong, deceived by the desire of AZ appearing in the Sun and Moon =P

 

[blue]

I mean if past characters can return in later generations then I guess it's not totally impossible. Looker being in both XY & ORAS wasn't necessary at all yet they still managed to find a role for him in those games storyline. One of the Alolan Islands has that walled off city that resembles AZOTH Kingdom, surely that would justify AZ being part of the plot?

 

[Hikamaru]

What's interesting to point out is that BW containing code to later be used in B2W2 served two purposes: one was to "prepare" for the features that would later be implemented in B2W2, two was to allow players to battle each other even if one of them had W2 and the other had B; since the data was in BW already, you didn't come across any communication limitation (unlike ORAS and XY where Game Freak chose not to patch XY to allow it to battle fully against ORAS...).

Because they're in separate generations (and considering that gen 6 could barely communicate within itself) it's very safe to say XY(/ORAS) and SM won't be able to communicate with each other (save for Pokémon transfer through Bank). With this in mind, there's only two options: one is that AZ's Floette was planned for use in battle/obtainment at one point and then scrapped, or that the inclusion of AZ's Floette in XY's code was Game Freak "preparing" for its inclusion in a future title. If XY were truly planned with no third version in mind, the whole situation becomes a bit more odd, because then that would mean it was planned from the beginning to be included in SM rather than in XY (similar to Zygarde's situation).

Of course, this would imply there's a narrative/lore connection between XY/Kalos and SM/Alola. While a part of me expects this to happen, there's no concrete evidence in favor of the argument as of now so there's no way to know for sure until more details are divulged.

I think Floette was likely planned to be included in a possible Kalos third version, but since Game Freak wanted to do something unpredictable they decided to scrap the idea and make a new generation instead. So it's possible they carried the coding for Floette over to Sun & Moon so that players can get a chance to obtain it along with also showing a connection Kalos and Alola share lore-wise.

Let's hope that for S/M's follow-up game that we don't have a connectivity issue like the 6th Gen games where X/Y couldn't fully link up with OR/AS.

 

[WingsofBliss]

For AZ though, I guess there would have to be a strong reason for him to travel to Alola. What could that reason be, though? If he's the (former) king of the Kalos region, then what relationship would he have with Alola? I suppose that's what doesn't really make sense in my head. xD

I'm still baffled about how that scenario came to be in ORAS with him traveling to Hoenn. Why plant that huge tree in Sootopolis and bother to have in-game dialogue from an important NPC(Wallace) blatantly pointing it out? I came across an interesting theory on Reddit, something about how AZ might have thought the Cave of Origin would have been a good place to look for his Floette due to the energy that flows out of it; the same energy that he used to build the weapon to ressurect Floette.