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Dark_Azelf said:
Waterfall / Stone Edge / Taunt / Dragon Dance on Gyarados has good coverage.


Nah, dont bother with Focus Blast, you have Gliscor for tar and Regive has no priorities in taking on Tar. S-Toss will be of more benefit for you as you can beat Raikou who is a problem otherwise.
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Ok, i was trying to think of a nice move combo, thanks
Ok, i'll see if i can get a Calm Regice with S-Toss

Archer said:
Regice is hardly going to like hits from Infernape. With Blissey's monstrous HP, it still takes physical hits reasonable. Sims hit the reason on the Head. Hence Blissey's nickname on other forums.
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Mixapes CC on Blissey running 252Def/252HP
100.70% - 118.35%

Mixapes CC on Regice running 252Def/252HP
79.40% - 93.41%

So Regice can take a hit, but none of them will be fast enought to hit back, which is a pitty
 
Use a mixed wall/bulky pokemon to cover the mixed sweeper thing that Blissey has a weakness to, isn't it kinda obvious? Also Regice gets neutered by SR (25% when switched in), and has no reliable recovery other than RestTalk, so it has no clear advantages over Blissey. Both of them will still be slaughtered by mixed sweepers anyway.
 
Aquillae said:
Use a mixed wall/bulky pokemon to cover the mixed sweeper thing that Blissey has a weakness to, isn't it kinda obvious? Also Regice gets neutered by SR (25% when switched in), and has no reliable recovery other than RestTalk, so it has no clear advantages over Blissey. Both of them will still be slaughtered by mixed sweepers anyway.
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Well, i've got Starmie to Spin those rocks away
And a mixed/Bulky wall would be one of the following >> Regice?

Bronzong
Cresselia
 
Arch_2008 said:
Well, i've got Starmie to Spin those rocks away
And a mixed/Bulky wall would be one of the following >> Regice?

Bronzong
Cresselia
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Bronzong just isn't bulky enough to run over your primary physical wall. Cresselia on the other hand, takes special hits well, it would just leave a rather large Ghost/Dark/Pursuit weakness.

Articuno is a decent option, as it has a reliable recovery move, takes neutral damage from Weavile Attacks and sort of fills Regice's position. SR Weakness is a problem, though, so keep Starmie alive.

Articuno @ Lefties
Calm | Pressure
< 252 HP, 64 SAtk, 96 Def, 96 SAtk >
~ Ice Beam
~ Roar
~ Roost
~ Heal Bell/Reflect

Notes: Ice Beam OHKOs Garchomp and Mence. Roar is for the Phazing you wanted. Heal Bell is an XD move IIRC, but that should be fine for Shoddy. Relflect could provide that extra beef that the team needs to take some hits.
 
Ok, now after numorous abbtles with this team, i need a cleric, Celebi pops into mind, as it's also a seeder.
So i need some ideas for a cleric, that would fit in into my team
 
Archer said:
Articuno @ Lefties
Calm | Pressure
< 252 HP, 64 SAtk, 96 Def, 96 SAtk >
~ Ice Beam
~ Roar
~ Roost
~ Heal Bell/Reflect

Notes: Ice Beam OHKOs Garchomp and Mence. Roar is for the Phazing you wanted. Heal Bell is an XD move IIRC, but that should be fine for Shoddy. Relflect could provide that extra beef that the team needs to take some hits.
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Since this was already posted on your thread, I figured I'd have you give it a second look, especially since you mentioned you needed a medic. It should be noted, though, that Pokémon with Soundproof won't be healed by Heal Bell.
 
Unlimited NiGHTS said:
Since this was already posted on your thread, I figured I'd have you give it a second look, especially since you mentioned you needed a medic. It should be noted, though, that Pokémon with Soundproof won't be healed by Heal Bell.
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hmmm, yeah, but the SR weakness is really glaring at me
But it could work, but with only 1 attack that does damage, any water type can come on and set up, but he is an option, i'll trial him out on shoddy, and see how he does
 
Arch_2008 said:
hmmm, yeah, but the SR weakness is really glaring at me
But it could work, but with only 1 attack that does damage, any water type can come on and set up, but he is an option, i'll trial him out on shoddy, and see how he does
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You have Rapid Spin so you should be ok with SR.


As for Heal Bell, it still Heals pokemon with Soundproof pokes on your team, however if the opponent has a soundproof pokemon out when you use it, it fails.
 
Ok, now after having a nice run(7 straight wins is pretty good)i've decided to up date the first post.

I've taken out Electivire for Metagross, and up dated some movesets.
So, what do you think?
 
No need for Ice Punch except for Zapdos and dragons really, and dragons take a LOAD from Meteor Mash. Thunderpunch is much more useful for trashing waters and Skarmory, who otherwise wall you.
 
I was tossing up between Ice Punch and T-Punch, I guess that T-Punch allows me to hit dragons for neutral damage, and allows me to hit Gyarados. I'll give T-Punch a try, and see how it goes
 
Ok, now I've decided to replace Regice with Blissey, for a couple of reasons:

1. I've lost far too many games, when a Scarfcross comes in on my Regice, and I predict a CC, but he Stone Edges, and that really hurst my Gyra, who can switch into Hear's CCS, and DD up
2. With Blissey, I know that he's going to CC
3. Regice doesn't have a reliable recovery move, Blissey has Softboiled
4. Blissey gives me a cleric
 
Anti-Pop said:
No need for Ice Punch except for Zapdos and dragons really, and dragons take a LOAD from Meteor Mash. Thunderpunch is much more useful for trashing waters and Skarmory, who otherwise wall you.
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According to the calcs I did w/ Metagross and Garchomp, Metagross's Meteor Mash did 47.29% - 55.56% damage. It's not a lot, but still passive.
 
Well the punch is more for preference.

I personally keep Ice Punch for Donphan / Gliscor walls and it can smoke a dragon easily. However it does pose a problem seeing as an Earth type can hurt Gross pretty badly. Which is why I usually do a BP to him from Jask. It just helps more if I have a sub up. (For instance: Opponent has some type that is strong against my Ninjask. I BP to a Gross. They hit it with some weak Electric attack. They predict an EQ so they switch to some wall. I use ice punch done.

You however dont' have a Jask to back up your Gross. So T-Punch probably would be better for you.
 
Ok, now after using this team alot recently, I found that i'm really walled by Skarmbliss if Gyra does't get in a DD, so i'm going to replace him with this guy:

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Salamence @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
120 Atk/252 SpA/136 Spe
Mild nature
- Dragon Dance
- Brick Break
- Dragon Claw
- Flamethrower

Mixmence. DD for a speed and attack boost, Dragon Claw for STAB, Flamethrower for any Meta, Skarm and Fortress who think that they can wall me, and BB for the odd Bliss, also helps with Heatran.

I didn't want to use a Mixtar, seeing as Sandstream could be very useless for me, and with Mence, I still get the Intimidate ability.
 
Arch_2008 said:
Ok, now after using this team alot recently, I found that i'm really walled by Skarmbliss if Gyra does't get in a DD, so i'm going to replace him with this guy:

*pokemonelite2000 image removed*
Salamence @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
120 Atk/252 SpA/136 Spe
Mild nature
- Dragon Dance
- Brick Break
- Dragon Claw
- Flamethrower

Mixmence. DD for a speed and attack boost, Dragon Claw for STAB, Flamethrower for any Meta, Skarm and Fortress who think that they can wall me, and BB for the odd Bliss, also helps with Heatran.

I didn't want to use a Mixtar, seeing as Sandstream could be very useless for me, and with Mence, I still get the Intimidate ability.
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Ewwww, 252 sp.att evs and MILD just for Flmaethrower =/


Slamence@Life Orb
120 att / 252 sp.att/ 136 speed
Mild Nature
- Draco meteor
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Roost
- Brick break




As for blissey, it has like 2 defense, which is why before ANY other stat, you always ev its def, always. So it doesnt die to tackle...

40 HP / 252 DEF / 216 SP.DEF @Calm please...
 
Ok, so after many more battles, i've decided to make the following changes:

Weavile --> Metagross

Weavile is fast, and can counter cress, it also counters chomp, and can KO him with an Ice Shard
Will this set work:

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Weavile @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature
- Swords Dance
- Ice Shard
- Night Slash
- Brick Break
 
Arch_2008 said:
Ok, so after many more battles, i've decided to make the following changes:

Weavile --> Metagross

Weavile is fast, and can counter cress, it also counters chomp, and can KO him with an Ice Shard
Will this set work:

"image removed"
Weavile @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature
- Swords Dance
- Ice Shard
- Night Slash
- Brick Break
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As a Physical Sweeper, he is walled far too easily by Skarm, Forry, Zong, Gross, etc.
If you want to want to revenge Kill, then use the CB set.
 
Well, once all weavile counters are gone, then I bring out weavile, and Salamence deals with all of those guys anyway.

My team at late is doing pretty well, it just needs some re-vamping, that's all.
So i'm going to add this guy in, instead of Starmie.

Cloyster @ leftovers
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 56 SpA / 200 SpD
Bold Nature
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Surf

So he's my Rapind Spinner, and combined with Gliscor, can get all the entry hazards down, I also like him more then forretress because Cloyster doesn't have a x4 weakness next to him.
But 1 thing that he lacks, is a recovery move, that's why I want to bring in some wish support, since Blissey can't do it anymore, I could replce Gliscor, since Cloyster has enough Defence to be my physical wall
 
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