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CONGRATS! US HEALTHCARE REFORM PASSES!

Is the individual mandate fair? (Please state your reasoning in the thread)

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 48.1%

  • No

    Votes: 14 51.9%
  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .
Thank you, Steven, for your post that made it clearer.

And for the people like NikoBelic999, you should probably try to read the post that little monster put up to prove you wrong. At least try to comprehend the facts before you think everyone is wrong and you are right. Thanks.
 
Prince_of_Light said:
Relax, man. If he doesn't want to use apostrophes he doesn't have to. Just because some of us like to use proper grammar even leisurely doesn't mean everyone else has to. It's not like he's writing a term paper or something. =/ Plus, it's a free country. (but maybe not for long...)
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It was my failed attempt at trying to be clever :(
Unless he has to hurry to save America from the depths of ObamaCare, he could take his time to make it more legible.
NikoBelic999 said:
IT IS NOT FOR THE GREATER GOOD! EVERYBODY WILL BE SCREWED....Democrats suck.....
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This is a completely hypothetical situation though :/
I'm sure FDR loved that message.

Simmons_2.0 said:
Our Old health care may not have been perfect (Pre existing conditions ftl) but it was better than this bill, take a look at what's in it.

Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)

Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)

Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.

Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates.

Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people
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AFAIK, they don't order end of life plans. They just talk to you about it.
What's that supposed to mean? It isn't like the government will be IN your marriage, they'll just help with therapy costs, but I'm not a whiz at health care, so maybe I'm interpreting it wrong.
Also, they could deny you coverage if you have a preexisting condition even if you didn't know about it. They could also deny you coverage if it is something that may be due to your genes.
I would like the public option to be brought back, but we can't have everything, now can we?
 
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.little monster said:
^ All false.


I thought you were leaving?

Don't lie now. You know, like every other republican does?

Lying is a sin. ;_;
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Because MSNBC can totally be trusted, right? Those images were made by random people on the internet who have nothing to do with the official RNC. Google image it. And even if the RNC is using fear tactics, it doesn't matter because what they are fearing will definitely come to pass if this bill lives. =/ Fear tactics are only bad when the fear isn't legitimate.
 
Yes, EVERY Rebulican lies, that's complete BS. I know plenty of Republicans who tell the truth, plenty who lie, and also plenty of Dems who tell the truth and plenty who lie, so you can't generalize based on some of the party members. What we need to do is vote out EVERYONE in our state legislature who refuses to cross party lines, same with the senate and congress. this bill shows, how corrupt the two party system is.
 
Mattysaurus said:
Thank you, Steven, for your post that made it clearer.

And for the people like NikoBelic999, you should probably try to read the post that little monster put up to prove you wrong. At least try to comprehend the facts before you think everyone is wrong and you are right. Thanks.
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Thank you so much. :] You just gave me a little faith in humanity.
Simmons_2.0 said:
Yes, EVERY Rebulican lies, that's complete BS. I know plenty of Republicans who tell the truth, plenty who lie, and also plenty of Dems who tell the truth and plenty who lie, so you can't generalize based on some of the party members. What we need to do is vote out EVERYONE in our state legislature who refuses to cross party lines, same with the senate and congress. this bill shows, how corrupt the two party system is.
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I was obviously just saying that to push buttons. I wasn't being serious. Good job.
 
Not all democrats suck, tbh. I'm not a Democrat by the way.
 
Fur Elise said:
Not all democrats suck, tbh. I'm not a Democrat by the way.
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I don't believe you... okay, not really, some of my really good friends are Democrats. Nice people, I just learn to never talk politics to them.

4 years though before major stuff happens through this bill. Wonder how much (if any) is going to be messed up in that time. Pres. Obama kinda got this bill in place at a bad time. It's pretty unpopular; he should've gotten more support.
 
Aureol said:
I don't believe you... okay, not really, some of my really good friends are Democrats. Nice people, I just learn to never talk politics to them.

4 years though before major stuff happens through this bill. Wonder how much (if any) is going to be messed up in that time. Pres. Obama kinda got this bill in place at a bad time. It's pretty unpopular; he should've gotten more support.
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Note that conservatives like myself aren't opposed to health care reform. We're just opposed to this trash bill.
 
.little monster said:
Thank you so much. :] You just gave me a little faith in humanity.
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No problem. It's just that if half the people here who are against it would just read that post, they would actually comprehend. I'm not trying to shove my thoughts down other people's throats, I just want them to understand all the angles. :/
 
Mattysaurus said:


No problem. It's just that if half the people here who are against it would just read that post, they would actually comprehend. I'm not trying to shove my thoughts down other people's throats, I just want them to understand all the angles. :/
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Yes, which is why I just call them idiots and move along. D:
Simmons_2.0 said:
Because, sarcasm on the internet is totally visible when you don't point it out =/
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It wasn't sarcasm either way.
 
Little monster did that because Niko said all Democrats suck, or whatever.

Atleast I think that's why.
 
Ok, whatever, point is that 55% of the American population didn't want this, why force something on the public that they don't want?
 
Simmons_2.0 said:
Ok, whatever, point is that 55% of the American population didn't want this, why force something on the public that they don't want?
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A. G. E. N. D. A.

Of socialism. Epic proportions of it. They know this is the only chance they will get in a long time to impose this much control over the American people, so they jumped at it even though it cost them their popularity and their seats.
 
Prince_of_Light said:
A. G. E. N. D. A.

Of socialism. Epic proportions of it. They know this is the only chance they will get in a long time to impose this much control over the American people, so they jumped at it even though it cost them their popularity and their seats.
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And yet again. Read my post I linked to you and that multiple other people have mentioned. :|
 
This thread is making me die a little inside every time I go from the end of page two forwards...I mean really...dear lord.

But, let's actually talk on topic and try to ignore/end the kind-of flamewar/"debate" occurring (lol), this health care bill...I'm not really a fan of it. I mean, yes, there ARE good aspects to it (Pre-existing conditions mostly), but the thing that mainly irks me about it that it is going to completely harm the people it is intended to target and help.

The middle class is the target for this bill, but at the same time, that's where all the money is coming from to pay for it. One trillion dollars is NOT a little petty fee to pay via taxes. I mean really, we are currently around 13 trillion in debt! (Warning: that link might hurt your eyes a tad =P) Yeah, let's just throw ANOTHER one trillion on there, where it is probably going to take at least two generations to pay off what we currently have. Tax payer dollars are the use to fund this bill, with the middle class taking a hefty toll from it. I mean really? Small businesses, homemakers, they are hurt too much, even if it comes with the health care.

Another troubling aspect is the annual fee for not having health care by 2014. Okay, why do I feel like the government is being taken over by corporations (Oh wait...)? I feel like the government is turning into a credit card company, where ridiculous fees are just throw in there to make more money (Re: Underusage Fees). With the taxes being used to pay for it, did the government ever think that familes might not be able to afford it because their income is going to an increased number of taxes?

And from reading this thread, all I'm getting is that this is a liberal vs. conservative debate...yeah no. It really isn't. It isn't like all liberals/democrats voted yes, and all conservatives/republicans voted no. Believe it or not, voting yay or nay, there was bipartisan activity involved, whether you like it or not. Now, I'm not saying it is LARGE bipartisan activity, but hey, it IS there.

And a random aside: The US isn't a democracy, it's a republic. Therefore, we aren't necessarily a representative government, where elected officials do what we say. We elect them, and they do what they think is best for the nation. I don't remember who started that little debate that continued for awhile, but just throwing in my two cents =3
 
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