6th Gen Corocoro (release for July) and E3 Speculation and Discussion thread

[MarinoKadame]

Nothing's wrong with Mega Charizard except that: one, it's becoming very overused in the Pokémon media; and two, I'm sure people are worried that Charizard will be Steven's only Mega. If he had different Megas each time you fought him I guess it would be okay, but he's a Steel-Type Master. It's shocking to see him with a Charizard of all things.

It's maybe Red's Charizard he brought from his trip to Kanto. Since Red has a Mega Charizard X in Origins.

 

[Rivvon]

What's wrong with it being overused? It's one of the series' iconic Pokémon. And I'm sure he won't use it for battle, though it's not like the game would instantly suck because he uses Charizard in his team. I mean, I'd have preferred Diantha to have a Kalos main, but 1) no Kalos Pokémon had a Mega at the time and 2) Gardevoir fits her anyway.

Some people just get tired of seeing it over and over and over again, is what I mean. Also, it doesn't go with his Type at all. If they didn't want to make a new Mega for him, they could have at least given him Aggron.

Also, the leak shows a picture of it in-battle, which is where people are getting the idea from.

And it wouldn't make the entire game bad, that is true, I never suggested just the one thing would, but it would likely make people like him less for having a Pokémon (a Mega, no less) that doesn't fit with his team. I know a fair amount of people who dislike Flint for that reason.

 

["HoneyClaws"]

May and Brendan follow a design trend seen since 4th gen. I don't see anything wrong with them. In fact May looks cuter than her old self..

The trainer redesigns are probably the only thing I really don't like. They ruined them to me, and yes its preferencial but simply from the oddity in the choice of designs now. Why is May's already badass bandana turned backwards? Omg.....

 

[ShadowSlashz]

Some people just get tired of seeing it over and over and over again, is what I mean. Also, it doesn't go with his Type at all. If they didn't want to make a new Mega for him, they could have at least given him Aggron.

Also, the leak shows a picture of it in-battle, which is where people are getting the idea from.

And it wouldn't make the entire game bad, that is true, I never suggested just the one thing would, but it would likely make people like him less for having a Pokémon (a Mega, no less) that doesn't fit with his team. I know a fair amount of people who dislike Flint for that reason.

Yeah I agree plus I think that the mega charizard kind of ruins the whole idea of a steel champion and In my opinion should not be in a remake.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Yeah I'm not a fan of Charizard's overusage at all. It feels like pandering, and it's repetitive.

It wouldn't make sense for Steve to have one considering his type is steel, a type that didn't exist in Zard's own gen.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Some people just get tired of seeing it over and over and over again, is what I mean. Also, it doesn't go with his Type at all. If they didn't want to make a new Mega for him, they could have at least given him Aggron.

Also, the leak shows a picture of it in-battle, which is where people are getting the idea from.

And it wouldn't make the entire game bad, that is true, I never suggested just the one thing would, but it would likely make people like him less for having a Pokémon (a Mega, no less) that doesn't fit with his team. I know a fair amount of people who dislike Flint for that reason.

Guys it's probably just for Demo purposes, look at it's Level (it's 100) and he looks like he's giving us a lecture. Like how the professors have Pokemon that they don't show in their labs like Azurill for Birch during the intro. In battle Steven will likely use Mega Aggron or Mega Metagross if it gets a Mega.

 

[Treecko]

Man these designs are atrocious.

I hate Ken Sugimori's new art. :/

I personally like the new designs of Brendan and May, at least they're still similar to the ones in Emerald and not extremely different like Ethan and Lyra. The proportions are so weird though. Just realizing how skinny they've gotten.

Spoiler:

Pokemon characters never really had good proportion though. I mean what 10-year old has breast that big? I'm gonna remember though, they'll probably look way better in the games themselves so I'm not complaining. And they will hopefully allow for customization again and could (hopefully) have outfits similar to the older designs.

 

[FlamebirdXZ]

I love the designs for mega sceptile and mega swampert! I'm gonna be choosing both since I plan on getting both versions. The only thing I find unnecessary is lightning rod on sceptile. It doesnt make sense. Thick fat would of made it OP though.

I'm not liking the bow on May. I prefer her bandanna and her hair and eyes look a little off. Brendan looks a little weird too. I think its the eyes. I wish they kept his short bangs though. I liked the mystery of not knowing whether he had white hair or a white hat lol I hope we can customize their hair like in x and y

I love all of team aqua's redesigns, but I only like the grunts and the female admin in team Magma. I think they butchered Maxie and the male Admin

 

[Cyclone]

what do u need fresh water for?

This used to be a separate thread and got merged into a huge thread. Was a completely different train of thought when I brought up wanting to see the other power plant doors used, as in Diancie be linked to it. And I then remembered the Fresh Water guy is there. Nothing more.

 

[Rivvon]

Guys it's probably just for Demo purposes, look at it's Level (it's 100) and he looks like he's giving us a lecture. Like how the professors have Pokemon that they don't show in their labs like Azurill for Birch during the intro. In battle Steven will likely use Mega Aggron or Mega Metagross if it gets a Mega.

This is what I'm hoping for, so, so, so much. It would be a bit more acceptable if this was the case.

 

[FlamebirdXZ]

Yea their proportions are weird. Why are they so skinny!!!

 

[blue]

I think I prefer how Team Aqua have been redesigned over Team Magma, but they both look spectacular. I'm really impressed with how they've gone with these two.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I personally like the new designs of Brendan and May, at least they're still similar to the ones in Emerald and not extremely different like Ethan and Lyra. The proportions are so weird though. Just realizing how skinny they've gotten.

Spoiler:

Pokemon characters never really had good proportion though. I mean what 10-year old has breast that big? I'm gonna remember though, they'll probably look way better in the games themselves so I'm not complaining. And they will hopefully allow for customization again and could (hopefully) have outfits similar to the older designs.

Looking at Brendan he was so pale in the RS art...he got more color in Emerald and even more now.

I hope that we can get their original outfits at some point. My favorite out of the three is the Emerald outfit.

 

[Treecko]

Looking at Brendan he was so pale in the RS art...he got more color in Emerald and even more now.

I hope that we can get their original outfits at some point. My favorite out of the three is the Emerald outfit.

They got a tan it seems. It really fits too since they're on a tropical region. (Even though they just moved from Johto which isn't tropical.)

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

They got a tan it seems. It really fits too since they're on a tropical region. (Even though they just moved from Johto which isn't tropical.)

Well one of them did. Perhaps May is the Canon player and Branden is the canon Rival xD.

I was slightly thrownback by Maxie's redesign at first but after looking at his glasses I liked it better seeing how they fit him well :).

 

[Cyclone]

Well one of them did. Perhaps May is the Canon player and Branden is the canon Rival xD.

I was slightly thrownback by Maxie's redesign at first but after looking at his glasses I liked it better seeing how they fit him well :).

I subscribe to this since May appeared in the anime. Granted, the male rarely if ever appears in the anime, so what do I know?

 

[Steven]

Mega Diance..maybe Diancie will be available in-game in ORAS? Just a small hopeful thought which is unlikely.

Yeah I'm not a fan of Charizard's overusage at all. It feels like pandering, and it's repetitive.

It wouldn't make sense for Steve to have one considering his type is steel, a type that didn't exist in Zard's own gen.

I think they might be lazy about the hunt for mega-evolutions and just make it so Stephen will randomly have one on his team every day. When you beat him you get the mega stone. Please don't do this Gamefreak. :(

 

[Treecko]

Well one of them did. Perhaps May is the Canon player and Branden is the canon Rival xD.

I was slightly thrownback by Maxie's redesign at first but after looking at his glasses I liked it better seeing how they fit him well :).

I'm still gonna assume that your rival is based on which gender is picked, but I think I get what you're saying.

And thank the Lord for fanart cause they make them look way better.

Spoiler:

 

[fenyx4]

I heard someone on the art thread that it was someone else...grr can't trust anyone...

Well the socks are probably small, in XY one can barely see them in the models as the socks aren't long socks.

I don't mind the redesigns. The Team Magma girl looks cute. <3 And Tabitha needed a makeover, he looked too similar to regular grunts in the old games.

To anyone complaining about evil team redesigns... Back in HGSS we got new Rocket Admins and no one complained. If you want strictly the same game, fire up RSE in an emulator and give this one a pass.

It's weird to me that people want the remakes but hate change. If things weren't changed, what would be the point of playing the game?

Although Tabitha looked rather similar to the male Team Magma Grunts of Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, there are other ways to make him look a little more distinct than just going "LOL he's fat now." I mean, not to knock people of that type of girth, but the portly redesign of Tabitha just seems insulting to the original design of Tabitha. And on the fandom side of things, he's going to get so much grief from both his name (Tabitha seems to be a usually-feminine name) and his size (in that it starkly contrasts his original leanness).

As for Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver, to my knowledge, the 4 Rocket Admins didn't really have any "old" designs from Generation 2 other than generic Team Rocket Grunt artwork (which practically everyone uses for Team Rocket bar Giovanni, IIRC. Additionally, I don't even know if there was any female Team Rocket Grunt artwork prior to Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen, so there's that.) In my opinion, the designs granted to the Rocket Admins with the advent of HG/SS mesh well with the standard Rocket Grunt designs anyway (lean design, usage of dark colors for the most part, with the white colors receiving precedence in other Team Rocket outfits). Ariana retains red hair (possibly looking even more imposing/elite than the Generation 2 design) and Archer still looks menacing, so that's not too much fuss. Archer, Proton, and Petrel all looked rather similar, so I guess people were in favor of them being "redesigned" (which wasn't too drastic, in my opinion); and at least you can still take Proton and Petrel's redesigns seriously.

However, with Team Magma, we apparently now have, for lack of a better word (ugh, and I hate to indulge into stereotypes too much >.<) , a "nerd boss" and a "fat Admin". Regarding the former, although I guess a "nerd villainous team boss" is somewhat new, Pokemon has enough "nerds" as it is (Bug Maniacs, Collectors, Colress (who was somewhat part of a villainous team himself), Clemont, Scientists). I know there's more to those people than just being "somewhat-tall intelligent people with prominent glasses", but it's possible to be smart without glasses. As for Tabitha, going from "lean" to "portly" is just about the most jarring change you could make in terms of a visual redesign. None of the HG/SS Rocket Admins had that happen to them, so I don't see why Tabitha was redesigned like that. Also, essentially being Maxie's right-hand man, Tabitha has to do a lot of walking/traveling around (from Mt. Chimney to areas ranging from Seafloor Cavern, Lilycove City, and Mossdeep City, depending on how the storyline unfolds; IIRC, the anime even portrayed him as an agent/scout of sorts), and a "fat" Tabitha doesn't seem inclined to be doing stuff like that.

As for change, I don't think people necessarily disagree with it; people just want good/sensible change. I mean, you didn't see someone like Silver's or Whitney's lean Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal designs suddenly becoming fat for no reason in Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver; their redesigns more or less retained the leanness of their original designs. There's ways of updating things adequately while still remaining faithful to the original designs (as opposed to drastic, out-of-nowhere changes)..

Actually, Yusuke Ohmura drew the majority of humans in gen 5.

They made Tabitha fat...
They made Mega Swampert an Egg...
Steven has Diantha's face...and a Mega Charizard?!
I hate to say it, but I'm not enjoying most of this as of now...I don't like judging things too prematurely but wow, this isn't what I was hoping for at all.

ROFL; you are the first person I've seen who has called Mega Swampert an "Egg" (the design isn't that bad in my opinion, though!). XD Totally agree with you; it feels like the "HOENN CONFIRMED" hype train is either hitting some bumpy areas or taking an odd detour of sorts... The thing bothering me the most is the redesigns of Tabitha, Brendan/May, and Teams Magma/Aqua in general. I don't like prejudging stuff so negatively either, but it's not that different compared to the people who are already lauding the changes with positive prejudging. :/ I mean, unless Tabitha goes on an intense exercise regimen during the events of OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire, I highly doubt that any amount of waiting will make me warm up to his design.

Waaaait, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? lol

The art style is so similar that I always thought it was Ken. Huh, learn something new everyday.

Same here. XD We really need to compile a list of who draws what regarding Pokemon stock art

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Yeah, Ohmura did a good job with that~ But Sugimori only drew Juniper, Juniper's dad, N (in BW), Ghetsis (in BW), Hilda, Hilbert, and...maybe Fennel. The rest were drawn by Ohmura.

It does look like Sugimori is drawing the characters this time for ORAS, though. At least from what I can tell; some of the Aqua/Magma members are too low-quality to really make out.

This.

I like Mega Swampert. Swampert was always my least favorite Hoenn starter, because to me it looked stupid. Blaziken is boss and Sceptile has a pleasant saurian look.

What's wrong with Mega Charizard? Surely enough they don't want to spoil the possible Mega Metagross...

As I doubt Steven will use Mega Aggron.

The issue with Mega Charizard (X) is that Hoenn already has loads of suitable Mega Evolutions to choose from (Aggron, Absol, Manectric, Blaziken (Hoenn's own resident Fire starter who is rather popular, from my experience), Mawile, Medicham) for a hypothetical "Mega Evolution" tutorial/lecture. In particular, Aggron is Hoenn-native and matches Steven's preferred Pokemon type (he even has an Aggron), so Steven pulling a foreign Fire-type Pokemon out of nowhere is just strange (Charmander wasn't even in Hoenn's in-game regional Pokedex.. I know the Hoenn regional Pokedex can easily be revised, but still). They don't even have to spoil Mega Metagross; Steven could easily use a Mega Aggron during the tutorial and surprise the player with a Mega Metagross during the Champion battle.

And if anyone is going to be using a Mega Charizard variant, Gym Leader Flannery says hi (what with being a Fire-type specialist and all). In regards to the Dragon-type of Mega Charizard X, Elite Four Drake says hi, too.

Nothing's wrong with Mega Charizard except that: one, it's becoming very overused in the Pokémon media; and two, I'm sure people are worried that Charizard will be Steven's only Mega. If he had different Megas each time you fought him I guess it would be okay, but he's a Steel-Type Master. It's shocking to see him with a Charizard of all things.

This, so much. Hit the nail on the head right here.

What's wrong with it being overused? It's one of the series' iconic Pokémon. And I'm sure he won't use it for battle, though it's not like the game would instantly suck because he uses Charizard in his team. I mean, I'd have preferred Diantha to have a Kalos main, but 1) no Kalos Pokémon had a Mega at the time and 2) Gardevoir fits her anyway.

Some people just get tired of seeing it over and over and over again, is what I mean. Also, it doesn't go with his Type at all. If they didn't want to make a new Mega for him, they could have at least given him Aggron.

Also, the leak shows a picture of it in-battle, which is where people are getting the idea from.

And it wouldn't make the entire game bad, that is true, I never suggested just the one thing would, but it would likely make people like him less for having a Pokémon (a Mega, no less) that doesn't fit with his team. I know a fair amount of people who dislike Flint for that reason.

This, too. I mean, Mega Charizard X even existing is one thing, but to date, it's been prominently featured in:
-Pokemon Origins - out-of-nowhere reveal
-Super Smash Bros. 4 (Wii U/3DS) - stated to be Final Smash
-The Strongest Mega Evolution, Act 1 (TV special that focuses on Mega Evolutions)

I mean, is Mega Charizard Y just chopped kibble or what? To date, the only place I've seen Mega Charizard Y even advertised is on the initial reveal trailer that showcased the Kanto starter Pokemon Mega Evolutions to begin with; at this point, I'm wondering why Game Freak bothered to make it. I mean, Charizard is indeed popular (I'm a dedicated fan myself), but there are other Mega Evolutions, let alone other Pokemon species, that still deserve promotion.

In addition, I think Mega Charizard X is disliked a little more because it goes against the original Charizard in a way (Charizard started out being specially-based, and suddenly becomes physically-oriented for no good reason. Additionally, "black-lustered Charizard" was originally a rare sight, reserved for the hard-to-get Shiny Charizard, but the wide availability of Charizard's Mega Stone makes "black-lustered Charizard" ridiculously common now), not to mention some questionable design elements (wing shape and randomly-positioned spikes).

Yeah I agree plus I think that the mega charizard kind of ruins the whole idea of a steel champion and In my opinion should not be in a remake.

This. Although Steven Stone doesn't exclusively use Steel-type Pokemon (with the presence of Armaldo and Cradily), at least the Hoenn fossil Pokemon are mineral-based unlike Mega Charizard X. :x

Guys it's probably just for Demo purposes, look at it's Level (it's 100) and he looks like he's giving us a lecture. Like how the professors have Pokemon that they don't show in their labs like Azurill for Birch during the intro. In battle Steven will likely use Mega Aggron or Mega Metagross if it gets a Mega.

I'm hoping this is the case, but again, there are plenty of Hoenn-species Mega Evolutions that could've been used for a demonstration, let alone a Steel/mineral type that matches Steven Stone's modus operandi.

I personally like the new designs of Brendan and May, at least they're still similar to the ones in Emerald and not extremely different like Ethan and Lyra. The proportions are so weird though. Just realizing how skinny they've gotten.

Spoiler:

Pokemon characters never really had good proportion though. I mean what 10-year old has breast that big? I'm gonna remember though, they'll probably look way better in the games themselves so I'm not complaining. And they will hopefully allow for customization again and could (hopefully) have outfits similar to the older designs.

May looks lanky as heck; her legs seem longer than her whole upper body!

I'll try to remark more on the players later, but Brendan does not look like what I expected at all (the skin tan/tint (not trying to be offensive!), green color clashing, T-shirt design, and emphasis on the "hat/hair" issue being the major culprits). Really hoping for clothing/character customization..

EDIT:

And thank the Lord for fanart cause they make them look way better.

Spoiler:

Wow, the Internet works crazy fast. It hasn't even been a full day yet and people are already making fan art for the OR/AS redesigned player characters (and good non-rough-sketch-looking fan art, too, in regards to the first picture!) XD Such talent, man! Totally jelly. May's OR/AS redesign does seems a bit better now.. And wow, redesigned OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire May in that first picture, I will never doubt your hotness again. :o inb4eventualRule34kickingin

 

[Pepperton]

Shocked that they gave Steven Charizard. There's a point where they need to forget the marketing aspect and maintain some level of realism. Sure, it makes some sense seeing as he is in the hunt for information regarding Mega evolution, and Charizard has two of them, making him a primary specimen for research, but that's not enough for me to warrant them breaking away from his typing specialty.

May does look abnormally skinny, although the angle and contortion of the picture may have something to do with it. No major alterations, but from what I can tell they look good. I was hoping Brendan's hat would come back :] Personally, I'm still going to go with May. I may prefer the original designs just a bit, but not a negative change at all.

Team Magma and Aqua look awesome with their redesign. It's great to see that they're paying some special attention to them, their concepts deserve to be fleshed out a bit more.