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Counter that Pokémon! SM v.2

Sirfetch’d

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    Since the other one kind of died off, rather than bump it I will just remake!

    Counter that Pokémon! - Generation 7 Edition

    Information

    With the release of Gen 7, I thought it'd be great to bring back a classic game! Counter that Pokémon is essentially what it says--someone posts a Pokémon, the next person tries to counter the Pokémon, and then the next person tries to counter that Pokémon and so on and so forth! This is a fun way to test your overall game knowledge as well as to learn some of the crafty ways other people tries to counter certain threats.​

    Rules

    • The game requires you to post an appropriate counter to the Pokémon, not just a simple check. Learn the difference between a counter and a check by reading this in-depth explanation from Smogon. Failure to follow this rule will result in your post being called out, so keep this in mind!
    • As mentioned in the previous rule, if the previous poster fails to post a valid counter, you should call them out and post an appropriate counter to what they were countering.
    • OU Pokémon and below only, please. Here's the official banlist of SM OU. Ubers and above can counter almost anything due to their sheer power.
    • Assume that everything is one-on-one, so don't factor in entry hazard damage or luck-based strategies such as confusion.
    • Do not slash information into your Pokémon's moveset. This completely defeats the purpose of the game since you can't alter your Pokémon's moveset in an actual battle.
    • Try to post your set in a readable format. You can use Pokémon Showdown's export feature to easily create a readable moveset format.

    Useful Resources

    We'll start off with:



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    Tapu Koko @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Electric Surge
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 1 Atk
    - Thunderbolt
    - Volt Switch
    - Dazzling Gleam
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
     
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  • Lanturn @Leftovers
    Ability: Volt Absorb
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
    Calm Nature
    -Toxic
    -Volt Switch
    -Scald
    -Heal Bell

    Lanturn has nothing to fear from three out of four moves and can tank a minimum of six Dazzling Gleams. Meanwhile it can 3HKO with Scald or inflict Poison with Toxic.
     
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  • Dragonite @ Flyinium Z
    Ability: Multiscale
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Fly
    - Earthquake
    - Extreme Speed
    - Dragon Dance

    Dragonite can tank Lanturn's hits to at least set up with one Dragon Dance, then proceed to Earthquake it.
     
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  • Skarmory @Rocky Helmet
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Impish
    -Roost
    -Stealth Rock
    -Toxic
    -Iron Head

    Dragonite can't really touch Skarmory and whilst Skarmory can't really fight back it can whittle Dragonite away with Toxic and Roost.
     
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  • I asked skarmory who she doesn't want to face. She replied-

    Heatran @ Leftovers
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Magma Storm
    - Earth Power
    - Solar Beam
    - Taunt

    Chose Magma storm over lava plume to trap it
     
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  • Salamence @ Flynium Z
    Ability: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    -Dragon Dance
    -Fly
    -Earthquake
    -Outrage

    The only move that does any real harm is Magma Storm which 3HKOs at best. Meanwhile Salamence OHKOs with EQ picking up that sweet Moxie boost.
     
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    Don't want to post Skarmory again sooo...

    Celesteela @ Leftovers
    Ability: Beast Boost
    EVs: 252 HP/ 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Sassy Nature
    - Leech Seed
    - Protect
    - Heavy Slam
    - Hidden Power [Ice]

    Even though its EVs are in Special Defence, due to its typing Salamence needs at least 3 turns to defeat it. HP Ice is a 2HKO with Heavy Slam also having an 80% to 2HKO as well.
     
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  • Volcanion @Choice Specs
    Ability: Water Absorb
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature
    -Flamthrower
    -Steam Eruption
    -Sludge Wave
    -Hidden Power [Grass]

    Takes pretty much anything Celesteela dishes out and then murders it with Flamethrower or Steam Eruption.
     
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    Muk-Alola @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Poison Touch
    EVs: 252 HP / 240 Atk / 16 SpD
    Adamant Nature
    - Knock Off
    - Pursuit
    - Poison Jab
    - Shadow Sneak

    Only Draco Meteor can hurt it significantly but that won't even 2HKO because of the attack drops. Knock Off OHKOs Latios.
     

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    Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 24 SpD / 16 Spe
    Impish Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock
    - Hidden Power Ice
    - U-turn

    Takes minimal damage from Muk, especially after intimidate, and can easily pick up a kill with Earthquake.

    0 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Muk-Alola: 378-446 (91.3 - 107.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
     
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    Skarmory @ Rocky Helmet
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Impish Nature
    - Toxic
    - Roost
    - Defog
    - Brave Bird

    Once Landorus-T's set is revealed to be a defensive set, Skarmory will wall it competely. Rocky Helmet discourages Landorus-T from using U-Turn throughout the match. With Lando-T's Impish nature and lack of investment in SpA, HP Ice damage can be easily Roosted off and Skarmory's quadruple resistance to U-Turn and immunity to Earthquake means it won't take much damage from Lando-T's moves at all. Skarmory's slow speed will allow it to move second when using Roost, preventing Earthquake from hitting a grounded Skarmory. Skarmory can then easily stall out Lando-T with Toxic + Roost.
     
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    Magearna @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Soul-Heart
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Fleur Cannon
    - Flash Cannon
    - Aura Sphere
    - Thunderbolt

    Toxic has no effect and Brave Bird is a possible 7HKO. Thunderbolt takes care of Skarmory.
     

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    Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
    Ability: Lightning Rod
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Shadow Bone
    - Fire Punch
    - Bonemerang
    - Will-O-Wisp

    Resists Magearna's 2 STABs and is immune to the latter two due to it's typing and ability, respectively. Can easily pick up a kill with Fire Punch or Bonemerang
     
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  • Technically speaking Marowak-A is just a check, since Magearna can get a 2HKO with a combination of Flash Cannon on the switch in and Fleur Cannon when Marowak attacks - of which Fire Punch and Bonemerang fail to OHKO 100% of the time. But it's such a small probability as it involves high rolls on both Flash and Fleur Cannon (and no sane person keeps Magearna in) so I'll just counter Marowak.

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    Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
    Ability: Misty Surge
    EVs: 248 HP / 192 Def / 16 SpD / 52 Spe
    Calm Nature
    - Taunt
    - Nature's Madness
    - Moonblast
    - Hydro Pump

    Misty Terrain neuters WoW. Shadow Bone has a ~44% chance to 2HKO and Fire Punch and Bonemerang don't even have a chance to 2HKO.

    In return, Fini outspeeds and OHKO's with Hydro Pump.
     
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    252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Magearna: 344-408 (94.7 - 112.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

    Fire Punch failing to OHKO and Magearna actually hitting with Flash Cannon on the switch and having both it and Fleur Cannon have high damage rolls is very unlikely.

    Venusaur @ Venusaurite
    Ability: Overgrow
    EVs: 232 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 20 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Giga Drain
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Synthesis
     
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    Latios @ Soul Dew
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Psyshock
    - Draco Meteor
    - Hidden Power Fire
    - Recover

    252+ SpA Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 124-147 (41.1 - 48.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    252 SpA Soul Dew Latios Psyshock vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Venusaur: 368-434 (102.5 - 120.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
     

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    Tapu Lele @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Psychic Surge
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Psychic
    - Moonblast
    - Focus Blast
    - Hidden Power Fire

    Can switch in and either be immune, resist, or take small damage from either of the moves and OHKO in return with Moonblast.
     

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  • 252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Magearna: 344-408 (94.7 - 112.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

    Yeah, looking at my comment, I've worded that badly. I meant to say that the Magearna could theoretically beat that Marowak which made it a check, not a counter.

    But anyway, that's neither here or there, because it's such a slim chance of happening.

    Countering Tapu Lele:

    Muk-Alola @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Poison Touch
    EVs: 252 HP / 240 Atk / 16 SpD
    Adamant Nature
    - Knock Off
    - Pursuit
    - Poison Jab
    - Shadow Sneak

    Muk OHKO's with Poison Jab. Tapu Lele has a 99.9% chance to 4HKO
     
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  • Venusaur @Venusaurite
    Ability: Overgrow
    EVs: 232 HP / 180 SpA / 80 SpD / 16 Spe
    Modest Nature
    -Giga Drain
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Synthesis
    -Hidden Power [Fire]

    M-Venu tanks everything Gigalith has and 2HKOs with Giga Drain, also recovering lost HP.
     

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    Heatran @ Leftovers
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Taunt
    - Toxic
    - Lava Plume
    - Stealth Rock

    Heatran can taunt Venusaur from using Synthesis and proceed to kill with Lava Plume. Venusaur cannot touch Heatran at all.
     
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