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Counter that Pokémon! SM v.2

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    I have a question: what counts as "hax"?

    If I go for Iron Head with Jirachi, I'm statistically more likely to flinch than not (60/40). Would it be fair to assume that NOT flinching is "hax", then?

    (Not trying to take anything away from Chase, him posting Jirachi just reminded me of my question)

    If you have to rely on the flinch to actually kill your opponent otherwise your Pokémon faints, it's not a counter.
     
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    Victini @ Life Orb
    Ability: Victory Star
    EVs: 96 Atk / 160 SpA / 252 Spe
    Naive Nature
    - V-create
    - Bolt Strike
    - Glaciate
    - Energy Ball

    Jirachi would have to flinch three times in order to win. We're not taking into account luck-based strategies anyway.
     
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  • Charizard @ Charizardite X
    Ability: Blaze
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Dragon Claw
    - Flare Blitz
    - Earthquake

    It can tank some of Victini's hits then faint it with an Earthquake.
     

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    Hippowdon @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 SpD
    Impish Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Earthquake
    - Slack Off
    - Whirlwind

    Tanks hits exceptionally well and can heal any damage taken. EQ is a 2HKO
     

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  • Araquanid:
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    -Liquidation
    -Leech Life
    -Poison Jab
    -Toxic
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 188 HP/252 Atk/68 Spe
    Item: Choice Band
    Ability: Water Bubble

    Even with Hippowdon's titanic physical bulk, Araquanid's Liquidation has a good shot of OHKOing it.
     

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    Salamence @ Flyinium Z
    Ability: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Fly
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake

    Can switch in and survive any attack and then OHKO with Z move fly.
     
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    Mamoswine @ Leftovers
    Ability: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
    Adamant Nature
    - Icicle Crash
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Shard
    - Stealth Rock

    Takes any hit, OHKOs with Ice Shard.
     
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  • Buzzwole @ Leftovers
    Ability: Beast Boost
    EVs: 52 HP / 244 Atk / 152 SpD / 60 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Roost
    - Hammer Arm
    - Poison Jab
    - Lunge

    It can take any of Mamoswine's moves then threaten it with Hammer Arm.
     

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    Drifblim @ Liechi Berry
    Ability: Unburden
    EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 32 Def / 36 SpD / 176 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Acrobatics
    - Substitute
    - Knock Off
    - Will-O-Wisp
     

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    Zapdos @Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVS: 248 HP / 240 SDef / 20 Spe
    Calm Nature
    -Roost
    -Thunderbolt
    -Heat Wave
    -Hidden Power Ice
     

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    Rhyperior @ Choice Band
    Ability: Solid Rock
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Stone Edge
    - Earthquake
    - Megahorn
    - Ice Punch

    HP Ice only does ~ 40%. Stone Edge OHKOs and Ice Punch has a chance to OHKO.
     
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    Skarmory @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spe
    Impish Nature
    - Roost
    - Brave Bird
    - Iron Head
    - Swords Dance

    Stalls out Stone Edge w/ Roost.
     

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    Magnemite @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Magnet Pull
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Thunderbolt
    - Volt Switch
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Flash Cannon
     
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    Stunfisk @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sand Veil
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
    Careful Nature
    - Curse
    - Earthquake
    - Rest
    - Stone Edge
     
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  • Gliscor @Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 244 HP / 168 SpD / 96 Spe
    Careful Nature
    -Earthquake
    -Knock Off
    -Swords Dance
    -Roost

    Even at +6 Atk Stunfisk will be lucky to score a 2HKO with Stone Edge, not that it will last long enough to get to +6 because it will die to repeated Swords Dance boosted EQ.
     
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  • Kyurem-Black @ Icium Z
    Ability: Teravolt
    EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Mild Nature
    - Ice Beam
    - Earth Power
    - Fusion Bolt
    - Roost

    Gliscor can only ko kyurem at +6 by eq and that too if kyub gets hit when it switches in.
     

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  • Kyurem-Black @ Icium Z
    Ability: Teravolt
    EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Mild Nature
    - Ice Beam
    - Earth Power
    - Fusion Bolt
    - Roost

    Gliscor can only ko kyurem at +6 by eq and that too if kyub gets hit when it switches in.

    Wouldn't Freeze Shock be the better move to work the Z move off of because it works off of Black Kyurem's better Attack? You can still use Ice Beam as a safe Ice STAB alongside that.

    Anyway:
    Volcarona
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    -Quiver Dance
    -Fire Blast
    -Giga Drain
    -Hidden Power (Ground)
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Firium Z
    Ability: Flame Body

    Volcarona resists Scizor's STABs and can potentially burn it with Flame Body; it then KOs with Fire Blast.
     

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    Nihilego @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Beast Boost
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Power Gem
    - Sludge Wave
    - Hidden Power Fire
    - Thunder

    Can switch into Volcarona, even HP Ground due to it's excellent special bulk and then outspeed and OHKO with Power Gem.
     
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