Daily Chit-Chat -- Winter and/or Summer Edition

[Eucliffe]

ToS is OK in terms of characters and story, but the battle system could've been better. I do not want a remake of it, though. I'll probably not be one of the hardcore fans who want more from it.

It's sad that Phantasia got remade, what, four times, yet they never really improved much. Sometimes it's OK to keep a game in its original state, but with Phantasia being the game that launched the Tales of series, I think it'd've been better if they at least changed the battle system a bit.

 

[Luck]

ToS is OK in terms of characters and story, but the battle system could've been better. I do not want a remake of it, though. I'll probably not be one of the hardcore fans who want more from it.

It's sad that Phantasia got remade, what, four times, yet they never really improved much. Sometimes it's OK to keep a game in its original state, but with Phantasia being the game that launched the Tales of series, I think it'd've been better if they at least changed the battle system a bit.

I've never been interested in the Tales series to be honest. Wasn't a huge fan of the gameplay(usually I prefer menu driven combat) and the characters seemed really underwhelming themselves. I may get Tales of Graces if it actually comes to America.

Final Fantasy is a bigger offender in a lot of ways. The only thing they did was nerf the red mage and balance spells a bit more. Actually, I think that Vox is still useless in Final Fantasy because it cures Silence, a status ailment that no enemy in the game uses.

 

[mishy.]

Well, if they remade Tales of Symphonia, it would get an upgraded battle system. :/ For it's time though, it was a pretty good battle system; definitely an upgrade from Phantasia.

You definitely have to remember that Symphonia was first made in 2003, and battle systems have grown tremendously since then. One of the reason why I want it remade is for those who believe that it doesn't have that great of a battle system, because I've played one of the later Tales of Games either before, or after and had forgotten how old Symphonia is.

As for Phantasia, it's because they made the remakes before they really upgraded the battle system to how it is today. Again, it's all when it was made.

 

[Cherrim]

I wouldn't mind a bit of an update. Like just take the same game, give it some of the improvements to the battle system that ToA/ToV had and re-release it with the PS2 improvements as well. But yeah, I dont think there's really much they could do. They could update the graphics and do them ToV-style but that would detract from some of its charm, imo.

 

[Speed]

I would actually prefer it if they updated the graphics, and added Graces battle system in. It would be a good remake if they did all of that and released it in America imo.

 

[Joey's Rattata]

It's sad that Phantasia got remade, what, four times, yet they never really improved much. Sometimes it's OK to keep a game in its original state, but with Phantasia being the game that launched the Tales of series, I think it'd've been better if they at least changed the battle system a bit.

Seriously. I think to Namco Phantasia is just easy, quick money. "Hey, let's port it to this new console. Change a few things, but not a lot. Don't wanna waste too much money!"

Although the most recent Remake- Phantasia X- was quite good. The battle system was actually enjoyable this time.

I love it how Tales of Symphonia gets mentioned in the conversation, and I simply waltz in here and see it. :V

Anyways, pretty much what Joey said. Even though ToS's game as been out for years, there's still the OVA and everything to look forward to for those fans who haven't.. moved on? *coughmecough*

Ha, what a coincidence. =P

Personally I hate the OVA, but love the game. Meh.

As for Phantasia, it's because they made the remakes before they really upgraded the battle system to how it is today. Again, it's all when it was made.

Uh, no.

The GBA version is a direct port of the PSX version. Actually, it's downgraded because they swapped some SNES stuff into the PSX version. (Maps and such.)

The PSP versions could of been vastly improved, seeing as they already had several games out for the PSP by that time that didn't have "Spell Freeze".

I could go on and on about how the ports suck, but I'll just say this instead: The only versions worth buying are the original SNES version, the PSX version, and the recent Phantasia X version included as an extra game in Narikiri Dungeon X.

The GBA version would be up there, since it was localized, but it runs worse than the PSX version. The battles lag far more than they did in the PSX version. I regret wasting my money on it. :/

I wouldn't mind a bit of an update. Like just take the same game, give it some of the improvements to the battle system that ToA/ToV had and re-release it with the PS2 improvements as well. But yeah, I dont think there's really much they could do. They could update the graphics and do them ToV-style but that would detract from some of its charm, imo.

Honestly, I think Symphonia should just be left alone. After all, if they Remake it there's going to be plenty of fans who go "they ruined the magic".

Although if they ever do Remake it, it would like some Aster(Richter)/Marta/Ratatosk cameos done in the original ToS graphics. Would be pretty sweet.

 

[Eucliffe]

Eh, we all know Namco's cheap anyhow (gdit why won't they release the GOOD Tales of games; I know they'll be localizing Graces, but they're not gonna be localizing it for the WII).

 

[Cherrim]

That's because the Wii version was bug-riddled and there's not a market for it on Wii here. :P

I haven't played Graces but I must admit, it doesn't interest me in the slightest. I dislike all the character designs in it. I hope they bring the cameo outfits to our version (I think they're DLC in JP?) so I can replace all the default costumes. 8/

 

[mishy.]

I wouldn't mind a bit of an update. Like just take the same game, give it some of the improvements to the battle system that ToA/ToV had and re-release it with the PS2 improvements as well. But yeah, I dont think there's really much they could do. They could update the graphics and do them ToV-style but that would detract from some of its charm, imo.

This. Improve the battle system, and give it what the PS2 version had, and I'll be happy. Perhaps update the graphics, but keep the style would be nice. Vesperia's style of animation wouldn't match Symphonia, IMO.

I would actually prefer it if they updated the graphics, and added Graces battle system in. It would be a good remake if they did all of that and released it in America imo.

If Grace's battle system is an update from Vesperia's, then I say go for it. I wouldn't mind an update of the graphics, as long as they kept the style. and YES release it in America!

Personally I hate the OVA, but love the game. Meh.

I like the OVA mainly because the characters are animated. Then again, I'm pretty open-minded and lax about things such as this, because it obviously wasn't going to be as great as the game from the beginning, and I keep that in mind as I watch.

Honestly, I think Symphonia should just be left alone. After all, if they Remake it there's going to be plenty of fans who go "they ruined the magic".

Then tell Namco to stop saying Abyss is better because of the 'better battle system'. :V

 

[Joey's Rattata]

That's because the Wii version was bug-riddled and there's not a market for it on Wii here. :P

I haven't played Graces but I must admit, it doesn't interest me in the slightest. I dislike all the character designs in it. I hope they bring the cameo outfits to our version (I think they're DLC in JP?) so I can replace all the default costumes. 8/

The character designs are pretty bad (besides Cheria), but bad in a funny kind of way.

The character designs don't make a game, in my opinion. Gameplay does. And the gameplay is godly.

 

[Luck]

I didn't see the character designs, but I bet they can't be much worse than some of the designs in Final Fantasy XIII.

Then tell Namco to stop saying Abyss is better because of the 'better battle system'. :V

But that's a very valid reason for them to call the game superior.

 

[Eucliffe]

From what I've heard, Graces is amazing and that I should get it.

But I still want Hearts most. I will do my hardest to try and get it imported.

 

[Joey's Rattata]

But that's a very valid reason for them to call the game superior.

I agree with you, but I think what BinaryPeaches is trying to get at is that Abyss had a very buggy/broken battle system.

Also, character designs: https://www.zerochan.net/src/zerochan.Tales.Of.Graces.88655.jpg (linking due to image size)

But I still want Hearts most. I will do my hardest to try and get it imported.

I've heard that Hearts' battle system is even more broken than blahblahblahtidalwave. If you like that, go for it. xD

 

[Cherrim]

I loved Abyss's battle system. :( It's my favourite of all the games thus far. It made it impossible for me to go back to Symphonia's because you lack the free run and it just feels so clunky.

 

[Joey's Rattata]

Don't get me wrong, I loved Abyss' battle system as well. I personally find it hard to go back to Symphonia/Abyss/Vesperia though, after playing Graces. It has the most amazing battle system I have seen in years. It feels amazing.

 

[mishy.]

I agree with you, but I think what BinaryPeaches is trying to get at is that Abyss had a very buggy/broken battle system.

Kind of. But for that to be their reason for putting it on the 3DS almost seems kind of lazy to me, because they don't want to spend time trying to improve Symphonia's.

Free-Run is the main reason why Symphonia needs such a remake. :( /would love Symphonia even more with Free run; can be even more of a sophisticated idiot during the Abyssion battle (which I am listening to the battle music to right now, haha.)

 

[Luck]

I agree with you, but I think what BinaryPeaches is trying to get at is that Abyss had a very buggy/broken battle system.

Also, character designs: https://www.zerochan.net/src/zerochan.Tales.Of.Graces.88655.jpg (linking due to image size)

Oh god never mind, I take back what I said. At least Final Fantasy XIII used solid clothing designs instead of decorating every visible piece of cloth with lines and arrows.

The characters themselves look really boring too.

 

[Joey's Rattata]

Oh god never mind, I take back what I said. At least Final Fantasy XIII used solid clothing designs instead of decorating every visible piece of cloth with lines and arrows.

The characters themselves look really boring too.

No, no, no. The characters are the most enjoyable thing about the game. They really make you want to push through the game and solve their problems, moreso than any RPG I've played before.

 

[Luck]

No, no, no. The characters are the most enjoyable thing about the game. They really make you want to push through the game and solve their problems, moreso than any RPG I've played before.

I'm not talking about their character, they are just designed horribly. That, and I was never interested in any Tales characters, even with Arche.

I prefer Final Fantasy VI when it comes to characters myself.

 

[Joey's Rattata]

I'm not talking about their character, they are just designed horribly. That, and I was never interested in any Tales characters, even with Arche.

Tales of Phantasia's characters have no character. If it ended up as a novel as the original intent had been- it would not have gone as well as if they had made a revolutionary SNES game.

Also, I'm sort of confused by your placement/wording. Are you talking about the character design of Arche?...