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Nekomajo Asunya said:
Uh... isn't the trainer supposed to be giving commands? It is a Pokemon battle, after all, so I doubt the trainer should get much attention.
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Trainers also have to analysis the situation for the Pokemon, and arrive at the best solution to the situation through his/her understanding and quick reaction. Trainers must consider the well being of the Pokemon as well, on top of staying within the competition in the mind games between the two trainers. In a sense, the trainers are also battling each other indirectly through poses, appearances, and the little conversations that they have.

Both Silverblaze and Negrek demonstrated this to different extents. Silverblaze's battle with Billy have a heavy emphasis on the two trainers before the battle begin. Silverblaze even gave the background information about Billy that he won 2 of his battles from pure talking and taunting against his opponents. At the beginning of the match, you can also see that each trainer tries to predict the upcoming move, not by studying the Pokemon, but by analyzing the opponent trainer and his mental state.

Lindsey/Echo and Death in Negrek's story shows this battle between the trainers even more clearly than Silverblaze. Lindsey was driven to have her Pokemon use Protect because she panicked at Death's battling stance and his specific battling strategy of crippling the opponent rather than dealing direct damage. She needed the stall time because she isn't thinking the clearest and sees no other way out, even though there are alternatives. (for example, Dustox never considered Light Screen to boost team special defense against Banette, but resorted to using protect to block psychic for one turn only.)

The trainers got plenty to do, and battling is not a bad way to add in more characterization for the trainers. The trainers do have to fight side by side with their Pokemon. The Pokemon are battling physically, yet the trainers must fight each other in the mind.

Trainers' role in battles is often underestimated, and this property sets aside a good Pokemon fanfic writer from an excellent Pokemon fanfic writer.
 
WAHOO!

SOMEBODY ACTUALLY VOTED! WHOOTS! XD

Danke, frostweaver.

I know it was bad, I know it shoulda been better, but I literally had imagination block. I couldn't think of anything better, so I just kept writing and suddenly found myself done. XP NEGREK WILL OWN! XD
Uh... isn't the trainer supposed to be giving commands? It is a Pokemon battle, after all, so I doubt the trainer should get much attention.
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Nein, for the trainer is doing the thinking. Is not the Pok?mon obeying the commands of the trainer?

What frostweaver meant, mi amiga, is that the trainers were doing virtually nothing for the battle, just shouting out random orders.

P.S. Never mind, frostweaver got here before I finished typing. Bloody invisibility...

On other topics(although, like Negrek, Ima not let teh FFBT go away), somebody was asking for the context that 'Screwing/Scrapping the Script' was in?

It's the TITLE. XD And, after saying them both a hundred times apiece to myself, I'm going with 'Screwing'. It just sounds... Eviller... Think 'DOOM'. XD

Whoops, found something to clarify:
frostweaver said:
Mightyena is just unreal and not realistic. It just charged in and destroyed everything with gamesharked stats. It's Pikachu junior. Literally, it just ran in, and end of the story... The mysterious attack that deflected Surf along with destroying Lindsey+Lanturn is also rather questionable.
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*winces* Ehh, that's the end result of assuming the readers are telepathic.

While writing this, I had the lists up at the top of the page so I could look them over to remind myself of who had what.

The asteriks next to Mightyena's name means that it's one that is definitely used, or used most often in battles. My reasoning was that if it's used most often NOW, it must have been used most often BEFORE, resulting in it being more experienced and more powerful. That was tied in with the fact that it could use Hyper Beam, an attack commonly associated with the most powerful creatures. If it was strong enough and skilled enough to learn Hyper Beam in the first place, it would probably be trained to a haigher level. Tied in with the part that it was probably trained with the attack quite a bit before(why else would it come in and bulldoze with an attack like that instead of the nastier Poison Fang?), it forms a nasty booger. XD

Eesh, I think I'm falling into that mindset again. XP Negrek pointed it out before, but I have a nasty tendency to make my main characters the MAIN characters. (replace MAIN with OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, OMNIPRESENT, etc.)

Blah. XD Anyways. XD

Question 1: Does ANYONE know where Altomare is in relation to Kanto/Johto/etc?

Question 2: How deep do you go with your backgrounds? I mean, do you develop companies, dream up and sort out legends/myths/tales passed down through the generations, set an entire stage up in miniscule detail, or do you work that out as you go?

?SilverBlaze09?
 
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I missed a lot here ;;

Dextet is the girl dex....I think....XD

And Frosty, what happened to your waiting list? =O
 
frostweaver said:
Trainers also have to analysis the situation for the Pokemon, and arrive at the best solution to the situation through his/her understanding and quick reaction. Trainers must consider the well being of the Pokemon as well, on top of staying within the competition in the mind games between the two trainers. In a sense, the trainers are also battling each other indirectly through poses, appearances, and the little conversations that they have.

The trainers got plenty to do, and battling is not a bad way to add in more characterization for the trainers. The trainers do have to fight side by side with their Pokemon. The Pokemon are battling physically, yet the trainers must fight each other in the mind.

Trainers' role in battles is often underestimated, and this property sets aside a good Pokemon fanfic writer from an excellent Pokemon fanfic writer.
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SilverBlaze09 said:
Nein, for the trainer is doing the thinking. Is not the Pok?mon obeying the commands of the trainer?

What frostweaver meant, mi amiga, is that the trainers were doing virtually nothing for the battle, just shouting out random orders.
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I see where this is going. Even though the Pokemon are doing the battling, the Trainers should use their surroundings and experience (of themselves, the Pokemon, and their human opponents) to their advantages to make strageties, right?

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SilverBlaze09 said:
Question 2: How deep do you go with your backgrounds? I mean, do you develop companies, dream up and sort out legends/myths/tales passed down through the generations, set an entire stage up in miniscule detail, or do you work that out as you go?
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I pretty much one heck of a background for HMW (but I did receive my share of contributions).

I have them in my LJ if you don't mind spoilers:
https://www.livejournal.com/users/lil_ida/20555.html
https://www.livejournal.com/users/lil_ida/22902.html

I've STILL got to get to work on finishing that Mirror-type entry. Anyone mind helping me out? ;)
 
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In terms of Alto Mare, all we know is that it's likely to be near Olivine area. It has to be by the sea, and that's the only sea route in Jhoto. It's a safe estimate in that area.

Also, there are some situations where the Pokemon does the thinking for the trainer. They act on their own because they see a good solution to the situation (or a solution that is better than the trainer's commands.) This is actually a form of disobedience nevertheless, showing that the trainer lacks skills. The Pokemon should be able to rely on the trainer's judgement, and this includes using a good attack at the right times.

Note that disobedience and reflex are different. A Pokemon's reflex involves the Pokemon reacting/acting naturally without the order of the trainer. Though this sounds the same as disobedience, it's not. A Pokemon's reflex is to act according to the trainer, yet the trainer doesn't have to give out the call because the Pokemon already understand the secret order from battling experience and a strong partnership. Disobedience is characterized by the Pokemon performing an attack that is not what the trainer has in mind, regardless of the fact that the Pokemon's choice of action is better than the trainer's choice. (Again, this is something Negrek used in her battle to build on Lindsey's character, or just adding further details regarding Slugma's personality)
 
Yay, a vote for the Fanfic Battle! *applause*

Now all the rest of you have to get out there and share your opinion! *glares* If you don't use your right to vote now, you can't use your right to whine about who should have won later.

Meh, quick response to Frostweaver's review...thing...

Arrgh, I can't believe I messed up mirror coat/magic coat. I had just come off of reading something where someone had messed them up and was chuckling to myself. Oh, teh humilliation *hides under rug* At least I didn't mess up reflect/barrier this time.

...and magic coat would have been such a better write-in description, too...

Also inexcusable that I forgot sand stream. << That would have made things more interesting, dangit.

Thanks for pointing those things out, Frostweaver. I'm glad you liked it overall.

Now, to respond to SilverBlaze's question...

I have relatively intricate backgrounds worked out for all of my created characters, pok?mon, and regions. I'd have to, or they wouldn't be able to interact properly. Usually, my knowledge of their backgrounds tends to increase as the story progresses; they build in my mind along with their character.
 
Question 2: How deep do you go with your backgrounds? I mean, do you develop companies, dream up and sort out legends/myths/tales passed down through the generations, set an entire stage up in miniscule detail, or do you work that out as you go?
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I do it randomly as I go, but the background I have are also very introcate, to the point that I don't remeber some stuff o.o;;
 
I seem to do a pretty good job at keeping my battles pretty fair for the most part, mainly because an important part of my main character is that he's not good at battling and when he wins it tends to be on account of his Pok?mon's reflexes rather than his own skill.
 
do you want to be in a fan fic MOVIE,Project or FAN-Fic story board?

its all cartoon of couse the main thing is that its a 2RD mewtwo make and this one is COMPLETELY evil. Based by the characters that want to join they will start out good and just winning there 18th badge.
then they all are heading to the pokemon challenge thing i forgot what its called but then they get attacked by this strange creature they all go MEWTWO?? then laer they figure its not.
if you want to join send me an E-Mail at [email protected]
i will make the project eny one that wants to help can. The MOVIE after the project and the fan-fic is done my unckle will make the movie HE IS REALL good at doing things like that and ill send it to everyone that joins.

it also MIGHT have some of the new pokemon involved but i dont know were to get the pis!!! eny one who knows can also be apart. the movie will have the names of ALL tthe people who joined or somehow helped with it and again if you want to join contact me at [email protected] My AIM username is jh52jj.

THE MOVIE WILL PROBABLY BE A 30 MINET THING NOT A FULL LENGHT MOVIE BECAUSE OF A COMPLAIN FROM A STAFF MEMBER

thanks
 
OK.... after months of laziness, I have finally posted up a new chapter of PMC. You can go check that out in its respective thread.
 
I agree. We need a new topic though =/

For the last week I didn't fit in to the topic, so I was silent =X
 
If you need a topic, go read the fanfic battle thread and then cast your votes =3

After reading, then share how do each of us handle Pokemon battles <3 Give us some juicy details too!
 
frostweaver said:
If you need a topic, go read the fanfic battle thread and then cast your votes =3

After reading, then share how do each of us handle Pokemon battles <3 Give us some juicy details too!
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Ye-es, ye-es, ye-es.... *stops chanting*

Sorry about that. Temporary lapse in mental control, you know.

This is sorta on the battle topic. Lately, I've been reading a lot of 'fics in which there are large pok?mon battles, such as tourney 'fics (I'm a battle nut, so I can endure most of the flimsy plots in those if the action's good). At the same time, however, I haven't found any that I really like. See, they're 'fics that get praised for excellent battle scenes and all, but I just don't find them that impressive.

I can't say why, either. They appear to be written well, with decent battle descriptions and trainer involvement, even some excellent combos. But for some reason I just don't get any excitement from them. I don't feel tension or anything with them. In essence, they're boring, and I don't understand why. I love battle scenes. But lately, I can't find one that I like. Something always seems to be missing.

Think there's something wrong with me (more wrong than usual, anyway)?
 
Part of the reason is probably the usage of overused Pokemon...

When's the last time we see Stantler in battle (or in any fanfic at all besides the cameo role of working for Santa in Christmas Fanfic Specials)?
 
Hmm, Stantler... *gets a sudden urge to put one into chapter 27*

I like Stantler... Too bad that chapter is way too important to put some random Stantler in, but maybe chapter 28 or 29. Hmm.
 
Negrek said:
I can't say why, either. They appear to be written well, with decent battle descriptions and trainer involvement, even some excellent combos. But for some reason I just don't get any excitement from them. I don't feel tension or anything with them. In essence, they're boring, and I don't understand why. I love battle scenes. But lately, I can't find one that I like. Something always seems to be missing.
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:*(

Stantler is one of those Pokemon that has creative potential (ability to create illusions, the orbs in its antlers being used for somethingsomething, I forget what), but it's just rarely seen. It's probably because its design is fairly boring. It's just a regular deer with a weird bulldog face/sharp nose. Well, people have no problem using a boring-looking Mightyena, who, unlike Stantler, relies almost entirely on physical prowess than any mystic powers. But people generally like canine types a lot. Just look at furries. Actually, don't, you'll lose your innocence. I like Stantler, but there's a ton of Pokemon I like more and I find more interesting.
 
Stantler always looked to real to me~

Except that one in the Johto episode was so cute XD But I'm not sure I could base a story off of one =/
 
frostweaver said:
Part of the reason is probably the usage of overused Pokemon...

When's the last time we see Stantler in battle (or in any fanfic at all besides the cameo role of working for Santa in Christmas Fanfic Specials)?
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Probably never.

I've pretty much learned that if you don't see a Pokemon at least ONCE in NetBattle, you're not gonna see one in a fan fic. I know it's a dumb connection, but think about it.

I've seen loads of Salamence, Tyranitar, Machamp, the legendaries, and other strong Pokemon on NetBattle (and always got whooped by them too. In fact, I have one of [if not THE] worst records ever with a win-loss of 1-100+ during the G/S/C days). In fan fics, Larvitar seems to be a top-rank starter, and even though I've yet to read a fic about Bagon, I could guess there are fics SWARMING with the little guy. Machop... well, there was one in Whirl Island Adventures.

I'm not planning on using Stantler and the like anytime soon, though. I use Pokemon that I pretty much see fit.
 
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