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One: Alex Rider is strictly a kids' book.

So they said about the Harry Potter series when it first came out, but look where it ended up.

Two: I wasn't trying for a naming convention, that was just the only link I could find between the two names.

There's really little comparison when you're trying to find pathways through a name of a character in a completely different canon. It's like trying to compare how Ash got his name by looking at Ashley Olsen.
 
So they said about the Harry Potter series when it first came out, but look where it ended up.

Loved by adults and children alike? Yeah, that proves a point.

There's really little comparison when you're trying to find pathways through a name of a character in a completely different canon. It's like trying to compare how Ash got his name by looking at Ashley Olsen.

Well who knows? I mean, it's a pretty weird world, after all, homes don't really exist, they were just made up by the government to keep us in our places.
 
Loved by adults and children alike? Yeah, that proves a point.

Actually, it does, considering the fact that the plotline contains everything from government coverups to torture to the point of death and insanity. That's on top of the Satanic allusions surrounding Voldemort and aside from Neville decapitating a living creature in the final book. If one actually read the final three books, they would notice a distinct dark flavor to them, far darker than most children's literature of this time. Unless you really think someone decapitating an evil snake with a sword and torture are elements that children would enjoy.
 
Now, Jax - I count myself a Harry Potter fanatic who postphoned his holiday to Portugal so I would be able to get the seventh book.

Yes, it is very dark and everything but Jo never went too dark. Yes, she did point out corruption and all but there are adult novels like the da vinci code to do that for us.

*Edit: Now I'm annoyed. There's a fic: 'Pokemon go to school' or something like that and I wrote a review for it last night at half four AM. So in my tired state it took me like, half an hour to complete it - by which time it had been moved to the revision bin and my post had been deleted.
 
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I have a question.

How do most of the authors here come up with human personalities? I'm having a bit of trouble with a few of my own (Gasp, I know) so I'm looking for suggestions.
 
Well, personalities... Just steal and morph really, I mean, my character, Silver, wouldn't exist without Shadow the Hedghog or Nick Diamond.

Look at your friends, your family, yourself and mix everything together. Try get a range, it really isn't too hard.

To pick one for your character, well, if he was an orphan and lost everything he loved he would hardly be the jolly type, would he? No. He would be bitter, then, looking round - see what you can add to that.
 
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I hate my computer sometimes, I really do.

Three chapters' worth of review.

All gone.

*Headdesk*

Urgh...that's it, no more reviews for me tonight. >_<


Anyways, characters...I would advice against consciously seeking "inspiration" from original ones in fiction, to be honest. There's too much of a risk of your character simply ending up as a carbon copy of an existing one, which is pretty lame. That being said, seeking material from - horrible thought - real life can have some fun results, especially if you go a bit outside of the box. To give an example, Tacey, the character I'm using in ACC's RP, is actually largely based on my grandma's late cat (Read: short temper, unshakable ego, and a firm belief that you can get whatever you want if you're just persistent enough in asking for it. Though both have been know to scratch people too. xD) and I've had a lot of fun writing for that one. Once you've got a base - a central characteristic, if you will - you can just wrap the rest of the character's personality around that by a mixture of figuring out how they would develop such a personality and thinking of everything that would follow naturally from that personality. One thing leads to another and before you know it you have a character. xD

But yeah, it's usually sort of an intuitive process for me. I try to think what kind of general disposition would best suit the purpose I need the character for (or, in the case of RP sign-ups, what kind would be the most fun to play given the personalities of the rest of the cast) and then work out the details as I go. Usually, my characters' personalities don't get completely clear until I've written a fair bit for them. x3
 
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See... I can't seem to figure out a central theme for the story. ^^' I mainly just took my brother's concept and reworked it over time. Now, looking at what I've got so far, I'm sure there's potential to find an underlying theme which connects everything, but I wondering what it could possibly be, and how I could focus on it without blatantly spelling it out for the reader. I can see potential for multiple themes relating to the huge cast of characters (man and nature, knowing one's limit, value of life, overpopulation, etc.), but what's something that could work consistently with the main characters throughout it all? And how could I make the multiple themes I see relate to eachother rather than making this story seem like some huge, jumbled mess. I could probably send a potentially spoilerific PM to whoever's willing to help, but I would care to hear some general tips on theme usage first. I also have some problems with the main character, but I can wait to get into them.

Yeah, themes are giving me a bit of a problem myself... Well, though not the best approach, this is how I approach things and probably can work if my deck is tuned correctly: Through your work and/or within your characters, look for (at the moment) one theme/trait that keeps recurring time and time again as you plan and script. And if it works, run with that as the key theme to the overall story and/or protagonist.

And of course, if your splitting your story into "story arcs" of sorts, you can take the other themes you wish to work with and use that as the central theme for that said situation while molding it into the ever-recurring theme of your character and/or the story.

I like to think of it as one long overlapping chain that keeps going and going. And, upon your will, can either rust or strength as it extends.

I'm not really into literary/storytelling advice as I do what simply suits me. But I hope this helps a bit.
 
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:D Yeah, it's that time again. Seeing as I just finished Chapter 11 at the Big Green Lagger, I figured I better hurry up and get caught up here. So Chapter 7 is up for your viewing pleasure. :D R&R, okay?
 
I read it - and a few days ago I was going to do a review of the whole thing...

But life got in the way.

Oh, chapter 5 of 'the saga' is up if anyone is bothered enough to review it.
 
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Yes, it is very dark and everything but Jo never went too dark.

I beg to differ. The point about Neville's parents being tortured to the point of insanity, the deaths of Harry's parents, the little graphic moments in many of the novels (first that comes to mind is Harry's detention with Umbridge where his hand is magically cut into by the pen he's using) are all pretty dark for pop fiction.

Yes, she did point out corruption and all but there are adult novels like the da vinci code to do that for us.

Well, that's my point. Many people believed that the first three novels of the series were solely for children -- and the light-hearted, magical tone of the first novel and even the second novel seemed to point in that direction -- when the series progressed from that light-hearted tone into something darker. One can argue that the fifth through seventh books bear very little of that childhood innocence that the first through third (and possibly the fourth) books bore, as if the tone of the story grew up along with the titular character. Beyond that, yes, they were at one point considered children's stories, hence why an adult who wanted to buy the book would occasionally opt for an "adult version" with a different cover in the UK -- to prevent the people around the reader from thinking that they were just reading a fantasy novel for children.

I have a question.

How do most of the authors here come up with human personalities? I'm having a bit of trouble with a few of my own (Gasp, I know) so I'm looking for suggestions.

It's personally a mix for me. I usually get a basis for character from any of the following sources of inspiration:

1. Other media. (Viola, for example, was inspired by a combination of Viola from Twelfth Night and Kurorat Jio Clocks from the manga Dream Gold.)
2. The people I meet or know. (Cesario = my friend when she's a GM and me when I'm blinking sadistic.)
3. The storyline. (If, for example, an event calls for an arrogant twerp, I summon up a character like Rosaline and build from there.)

After writing down a very basic foundation for a character ("whiny and lacking in self-esteem but incredibly brilliant," "mysterious and sadistic," "annoying and full of herself," et cetera), I go back to the story and see what happens. Usually "see what happens" means "I think like the character and see how they react to different situations." So, it's a lot like roleplaying where you're all the characters, which means you really have to get into the mindsets of your own creations. Once you get into the mindsets, it might be easier because you'll be able to see what decisions your characters can and most likely will make based on what you know about them. Once you understand the logic and motives behind what your characters are doing (because you're thinking like them), they tend to grow and change on you (because you start to think of them like people) or at least end up being a bit more believable.

So, um, maybe this is just a crazier way of agreeing with Alter Ego. XD Or adding to what he's saying by recommending thinking like the character as well.
 
Yes - I'm glad we can agree on something.

The darkest moment in the Harry Potter franchise is in movie 5 - opening scene, my sisters had nightmares for days because of it.
 
So much to respond to! Last time I hang out with my friends outside.

Alter Ego, your decision about the point of view is like what Melville did in Benito Cereno. The character that the story focuses on, Amasa Delano, sees hints about what actually happened, but he's so simple-minded that he doesn't get it. But the readers do because they can see a bit more and put more together. So if your main character can see things about the other character but doesn't put them together until later, it would be a fun read.

Yes, it is very dark and everything but Jo never went too dark. Yes, she did point out corruption and all but there are adult novels like the da vinci code to do that for us.
So children's book can't have any dark themes? Only adult books can cover topics like that? I don't get why we have to protect children from the real world. So what if a children's book as terrorism in it? Since we were talking about Digimon, the American dub talked about a terrorist attack that was a cover-up for another battle. That's something else that's targeted for children, yet bad things happen on it.

And yes, I would say that Rowling went dark. I've read the last three books, but wasn't really interested in them so I can't point out any specific examples.

There's another book series that I can talk about where the books were reprinted in a form more accessible for children, but the story is rather dark. (No, Saff, it's not the one you're probably thinking of. xD I am a fan of another series. Just not a rabid fangirl.)

How do most of the authors here come up with human personalities? I'm having a bit of trouble with a few of my own (Gasp, I know) so I'm looking for suggestions.
I follow the same route that Alter Ego follows. With my main character for my Pokemon fic, I wanted her to be rather arrogant, so I just worked with that. I plopped her into the story and allow her to develop on her own. Same with my original character for my Digimon fic. I wanted someone who didn't trust others easily. Came up with the basics and allowed her to grow on her own.

It's fun to learn about your characters that way, because it leads to unexpected surprises.

Best original to dubbed name from Digimon: "Yagami" to "Kamiya". I love the fan speculation as to why that had to change. XD
 
Hanako-Chan, you have a lot of catching up to do in Season Champs...chapter 5 is going to go up in about 2-3 weeks...
 
2-3 weeks is a very long time.

Exactly, Hanako, why do children have to be protected from everthing? I mean, it doesn't really make any sense. Like, we will all learn about terrorism among other stuff early enough - but why not tell us when we want to know?

It doesn't really make any sense, but that's democracy for you.

No, children's books can have dark themes, all I'm saying is that Rowling didn't go as far as she could have. All I'm saying is that adult's books normally have darker themes and more realistic endings..
 
All I'm saying is that adult's books normally have darker themes and more realistic endings..
That was a conversation I saw pop up elsewhere about the ending of Harry Potter, that it was too happy. Rowling might have just written it to show that life does go on, even after war. Yes, people die, but those who live need to keep on living. It is a good moral lesson to take from the ending.

Besides, who wants to read a series of books, cheering for the main character only to find out that they crumble to dust and don't accomplish what they need to? :< That's a shame.

Eh, I'm probably just in a debating mood today, Lord94, so I guess that's why I jumped at your post.
 
Wow, I just read chapter one of that FF pikachu Jr. wrote and I must say it was rather...interesting...xD
 
Tell me about it - I edited it all last night - pointing out where he went wrong...

Took me an hour, when I posted it it had been moved into the revision bin and Hanako deleted an hour's worth of helping him and rewriting chapter one.
 
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Hmm, well the thing is I ORIGINALLY based the characters around my friends, but I found out that I don't know much at all about my friends since I'd rather keep to myself than ask them about stuff. So the alpha characters fell bland and made for horrible dynamics.

And I don't know what I want in the terms of personalities so I can't really use that technque. :S
 
Um, cockiness and arrogance normally work well together.

Along with the strong silent type...

So many possibilities, so hard to choose...

On the nots of fics - anyone up for reviewing mine?
 
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