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[txteclipse]

Or to introduce a new, important ability. Just remembered that one.

 

[Scarlet Weather]

You could do it as a plot point- the Pokemon pulls a Charizard after evolution and becomes unstable. An oldie but a goodie. XD

 

[Isaac Gravity]

@Yamato-san- I've been around. I just like to lurk more than post.

But you really seem to have your work cut out for you... But you'll work around it eventually. Sounds sorta cheap of me to say but from how you talked you really seem to know what it is you want but... you're still looking for the true meaning of sorts...

...Kinda hard for me to explain...

Can't argue with your feelings on the heavy emphasis on grammar Sue's/Stu's here... One of the reasons I don't talk... (The first as my own literary mechanic skill uses are considerably weak and the second because I don't believe in Sue's/Stu's I look at them more as an extremity of a character arch-type)

Still, that kinda stuff is...there. I mean, I've been spending much of my time in an image board dedicated to the "bullet hell" doujin games Touhou Project and man, the nitpicks and arguments that breakout over someone's fanart/translation of a doujin is interesting (as it seems to prove literary or visual, it's still pretty much the same in the end. Placement/uses of text and grammar in this case.) and it's just fun to watch.

Oh, and who isn't weak for a moe or a 'dere in some form? And an eroge? *smirk* You can get some of the most beautifully told storylines and cast of characters if the cards are played right. Even more so than "work safe" pieces.

 

[Yamato-san]

I haven't gotten into Touhou Project, but I heard all the games were made by a single person. That's what really interests me about doujinshi: it shows that common people actually are capable of creating damn friggin' good media that approaches the level of quality seen in commercial media, but without all the millions of dollars and the legalities and all that stuff (I get a similar feeling when I see all those nicely-done MADs they got on Youtube... I'd like to know what resources those Japanese have, because those things put nearly every western-made AMV to shame). In Touhou's case, it's a collection of unlicensed games, and it managed to reach a level of popularity where other people are making doujinshi off of it (both manga and games)... doujinshi of doujinshi, what a concept. God, I'd love it if that were to happen to me (even though most of my doujinshi are based off of Pocket Monsters, I mainly feature original characters, so it's not exactly impossible).

Sounds sorta cheap of me to say but from how you talked you really seem to know what it is you want but... you're still looking for the true meaning of sorts...

not cheap at all... as a matter of fact, that's one of the problems I seem to be running into. See... I can't seem to figure out a central theme for the story. ^^' I mainly just took my brother's concept and reworked it over time. Now, looking at what I've got so far, I'm sure there's potential to find an underlying theme which connects everything, but I wondering what it could possibly be, and how I could focus on it without blatantly spelling it out for the reader. I can see potential for multiple themes relating to the huge cast of characters (man and nature, knowing one's limit, value of life, overpopulation, etc.), but what's something that could work consistently with the main characters throughout it all? And how could I make the multiple themes I see relate to eachother rather than making this story seem like some huge, jumbled mess. I could probably send a potentially spoilerific PM to whoever's willing to help, but I would care to hear some general tips on theme usage first. I also have some problems with the main character, but I can wait to get into them.

 

[Dogar The Brave]

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand... Well, I think I do, but are the rules for the revision bin that only emulators and review a fan fiction?

 

[Alter Ego]

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand... Well, I think I do, but are the rules for the revision bin that only emulators and review a fan fiction?

Umm...emulators? Just what are you trying to say here? O.x Oh, wait...evaluators, right? Yup, anyone who isn't an evaluator (or author of the fic in question) and posts in those threads will have their post deleted. No fair, how come I don't get to evaluate! *Whineflail* :<

Ahem, that is to say that they're restricting access to established reviewers only in order to ensure maximal review quality for those who really do need it. :3

And Yamato-san, I wasn't thinking of any one point in particular but rather my general impression of your comments. (I.e. you motivate what you say and tend to bring new things (or at least a new perspective) to the discussion) But if we're thinking particulars then I would have to say the nicknaming thing does spring to mind. I really hadn't given proper consideration to the based-on-Japan aspect before you brought that up. xD


As for evolution...I'd like to add symbolic value to the mix as well. It's sort of a less than ideal example, but when writing for a character of mine (RP character, mind you, and one whose RP was shot down from beneath her, alas, but a character noentheless) I used her first pokémon, a Ralts, as an indicator of her personal development. My character was kind of an introverted intellectual type, so I made the growth of her pokémon dependent on her growth as a person, namely so that evolutions wouldn't occur until she learned to open up to others and express her emotions. Since pokémon from the Ralts line are supposed to grow when exposed to positive emotions from their trainer I sort of had a justification for it too. It's a bit of a stereotypical example (I enjoy the occasional cliché, so sue me. xP) but evolutions do hold a strong symbolic value, so I see nothing wrong with an author making use of that. It's not like significant character development can reasonably occur in every chapter anyway, so the pace (in terms of accumulating experience etc.) shouldn't become a problem with that method. x3

And...I'd add a small warning tag to the 'evolution by necessity' thing. Sure, if it's once in a while why not? But there's a danger of turning evolution into too much of a deus ex machina thing by having a handy new evolution manifest itself each and every time your character has their back against the wall. Not all evolution has to be triggered by crisis. I mean, these are not Digimon we're talking about here. ;D


Anyways, I've reached chapter eight with Shining Nightmare and I'm enjoying it thus far. Pretty soon I'll actually be able to get to the writing of it, but I thought I'd give you a status report of sorts to let you know that I haven't forgotten about it. xD

 

[Dogar The Brave]

Thanks Ego, I just edited that in! (If I'm allowed...?)

 

[Astinus]

No fair, how come I don't get to evaluate! *Whineflail* :<

I thought you would be too busy to do that, and I didn't want to place more work onto your already busy schedule. ;; Would you like a PM asking to be an emulator...uh, evaluator?

I mean, these are not Digimon we're talking about here. ;D

Which will be my problem as soon as I start writing my Pokemon fanfic again. After writing Digimon for so long (which actually only need to be in danger the first time a new stage is reached and then they don't, at least in 02 if I recall correctly. Besides, if a Chosen Child does push evolution, then the results are sometimes not pretty, but that's a different subject), it's going to be a major change to write about Pokemon. I mean, Pokemon don't talk human. x.x

But at least we shared an idea, Alter Ego. I was planning for an evolution to happen like that in my own fic like you had for that RP character. (By the way, enjoyed that treatise you wrote up. Very informative.)

 

[Gummy]

Anyways, I've reached chapter eight with Shining Nightmare and I'm enjoying it thus far. Pretty soon I'll actually be able to get to the writing of it, but I thought I'd give you a status report of sorts to let you know that I haven't forgotten about it. xD

Wow. I can't read MY OWN fic that fast... I 'm just lazy like that.

Which will be my problem as soon as I start writing my Pokemon fanfic again. After writing Digimon for so long (which actually only need to be in danger the first time a new stage is reached and then they don't, at least in 02 if I recall correctly. Besides, if a Chosen Child does push evolution, then the results are sometimes not pretty, but that's a different subject), it's going to be a major change to write about Pokemon. I mean, Pokemon don't talk human. x.x

I really don't see much of a difference in Digi/Pokemon evolution other than the fact that Digimon can degenerate. Just as you wouldn't expect a Digimon's first evolution (is it still called digivolution? XD) to happen out of nowhere, neither would you a Pokemon's. And in both series, forcing evolution always results in something bad.

 

[Scarlet Weather]

I really don't see much of a difference in Digi/Pokemon evolution other than the fact that Digimon can degenerate. Just as you wouldn't expect a Digimon's first evolution (is it still called digivolution? XD) to happen out of nowhere, neither would you a Pokemon's. And in both series, forcing evolution always results in something bad.

I have to LOL at the last line. Forced evolution in Pokemon isn't necessarily bad. What about stone and trade evolution? If not forced, those two at the very least are induced by outside forces. xD

Lessee... *scratches "Season Champs" off of list* Now who needs a review next..?

 

[Grovyle42(Griff8416)]

I have to LOL at the last line. Forced evolution in Pokemon isn't necessarily bad. What about stone and trade evolution? If not forced, those two at the very least are induced by outside forces. xD

Lessee... *scratches "Season Champs" off of list* Now who needs a review next..?

I wouldn't mind a review. But it is quite long so don't feel obligated to.

 

[purple_drake]

Lessee... *scratches "Season Champs" off of list* Now who needs a review next..?

Issat an opening? :P 'Cos I have a poor, lonely fic here with no reviews... :3 Although the sheer length of the thing might have something to do with that. XD

Well, if you're interested... it's 'Heart of the Magma', a 'long-shot' (long one-shot, lol), the link's in my sig.

 

[Duncan McNeil]

Issat an opening? :P 'Cos I have a poor, lonely fic here with no reviews... :3 Although the sheer length of the thing might have something to do with that. XD

Well, if you're interested... it's 'Heart of the Magma', a 'long-shot' (long one-shot, lol), the link's in my sig.

:) Heh, it's on my list. I'll get to it. But right now, I've been neglecting my own fic, so it's off to work for me.

Oh, and about Digimon vs. Pokemon evolution, I really can't say much. I used to be big into Digimon, but that was when I was what? 8? 9? Yeah...

 

[Dogar The Brave]

One is Pokemon - One is Digimon. You can't really compare, because there are too many differences.

 

[Apathetic_Yen]

Lessee... *scratches "Season Champs" off of list* Now who needs a review next..?

Hope im on that list too. I'm not getting much reviews either...

 

[diamondpearl876]

I have to LOL at the last line. Forced evolution in Pokemon isn't necessarily bad. What about stone and trade evolution? If not forced, those two at the very least are induced by outside forces. xD

Lessee... *scratches "Season Champs" off of list* Now who needs a review next..?

You could review my one-shot, Changes. I'm only asking you because you liked the one I made before that (Mirror Image).

 

[Astinus]

Glajummy, I use the Japanese terms for all thing Digimon. So I say "evolution", you say "digivolution". It gets confusing, doesn't it.

I would ask if anyone needs reviews, but I don't really feel like reviewing now. If I feel like it, I'll see if I can give someone a review, but I'm not making promises.

On the plus side, I hope to get something written for my Pokemon fic and post it on 07/01/08. That's the deadline I've given myself, and I hope to remain true to that.

 

[Alter Ego]

Thanks Ego, I just edited that in! (If I'm allowed...?)

Umm...don't call me 'Ego', please? >_< That one is reserved for special friends, so Alter or AE would be much preferred.

Which will be my problem as soon as I start writing my Pokemon fanfic again. After writing Digimon for so long (which actually only need to be in danger the first time a new stage is reached and then they don't, at least in 02 if I recall correctly. Besides, if a Chosen Child does push evolution, then the results are sometimes not pretty, but that's a different subject), it's going to be a major change to write about Pokemon. I mean, Pokemon don't talk human. x.x

Ahh...I wouldn't know about the evolutions since I'm still at early season one. I only got myself into actually watching the show about a week ago since our national dub traumatized me deeply (I think its horror is best explained by the simple fact that it's a dubbed version of the American dub. That's right: the crappy dub of a crappy dub.) and just totally killed my interest in the show until I watched my first fansubbed anime and realized just how huge that difference is. YouTube's war on fansubs isn't exactly helping matters either; it's so hard to find subbed episodes and veoh is drawing a blank too. >_< So yeah, I'm still in the stage of enjoying the characters while waiting for the plot to start making sense. xD

Anyway, to steer us away from this tangent and back on topic, the speech problem can always be worked around. Okay, so mystic powers of pokémon speech comprehension is sort of a cheap stunt, but as has been exhibited in a number of fics here: where there is a will there is a way and the excuses do exist, some better than others. xD And of course there's no stopping the translation of pokémon speech for the reader but not the characters. :3

But at least we shared an idea, Alter Ego. I was planning for an evolution to happen like that in my own fic like you had for that RP character. (By the way, enjoyed that treatise you wrote up. Very informative.)

You actually enjoyed it? Heh, thank you. I'm actually planning an update since some things I want to address still aren't in there, and to think that I just wrote that as an aggression release so I wouldn't bite of some poor forumite's head. xD Aaaand...you had that idea too? Great minds think alike I guess. x3

Wow. I can't read MY OWN fic that fast... I 'm just lazy like that.

Really? And I was scolding myself for being so slow with the reading. xD Anyways, review should definitely be up today.

I really don't see much of a difference in Digi/Pokemon evolution other than the fact that Digimon can degenerate. Just as you wouldn't expect a Digimon's first evolution (is it still called digivolution? XD) to happen out of nowhere, neither would you a Pokemon's. And in both series, forcing evolution always results in something bad.

Got to agree with ACC on this one: evolution stones are forced evolution too, and there's never been any serious drawbacks from that. There's also the difference that with pokémon evolution can be halted (by canon rules, also on the pokémon's own insistence) whereas with digimon...well, when you've got to go you've got to go. Since it's based on an emotion/situation there's really no stopping it. Erm...unless that's something that's addressed later on in the series which I'm not privy to? x3

One is Pokemon - One is Digimon. You can't really compare, because there are too many differences.

They have plenty of similarities too, you know. The basic process is the same (sudden, often drastic, change of shape and growth in powers); it's just the triggers and the duration that vary. I'd say that makes them very much comparable.


Anyways, I'm looking for an uneducated opinion on something: you see, I've hit a bit of a dilemma with my fic-that-is-still-very-much-in-the-works. My original intention was to narrate the story from the single, third person limited viewpoint of my main protagonist, but as I've finally started to get some more shape to my plot, I've realized that if I stick to narrating solely by the original plan, a lot of the motives behind the actions of another central character would be obscured. So, given that this is my first ever shot at fanfiction, I'm asking: would a split-perspective narrative between the two be too ambitious? On one hand, I think it would add to the depth of my other character, but on the other I'm afraid that splitting viewpoints may throw readers off. >_< I took a shot at narrating some events from the secondary character's point of view and found that I'm pretty much equally confident writing for either, so there are no problems on that account.

So...any opinions? I know that you don't know what the characters in question are like, so it wouldn't exactly be an informed decision, but I'd still appreciate some advice. At least on what problems I'd be facing in going for a dual perspective if nothing else. :3

 

[Dogar The Brave]

Umm...don't call me 'Ego', please? >_< That one is reserved for special friends, so Alter or AE would be much preferred.

Fine - be that way.

Pokemon is older than Digimon, right?

 

[Astinus]

I do quite believe that I heard that the original plan for Pokemon was started in 1975. I read that in a magazine somewhere. But the franchise wasn't created until 1995, whereas Digimon came along with Tamagotchis in 1997.

Oh, Alter Ego, I hope that you're not talking about the Finnish dub of Digimon. That was scary, especially Takeru's 01 voice. The lack of emotions...!

As for your perspective question, I would use the third-person limited if you want to keep the motives of the other character a secret to the other character and/or the reader. Then, at some point in the story, you could reveal somehow the actual motives of the other character, and not the supposed motives the main believed. I read a great book where that happened, and it was more enjoyable looking for clues about the real motive than just knowing up front. (Alter Ego, I didn't want to mention the name of the book until I was sure that it would be available to you to read if interested. The book is the classic Benito Cereno by Herman Melville. It's hard to get through since it's Melville, but well-worth it to learn about the art of third-person limited. Just search for it online.)