Blue Angel, what are you basing your definition of "beginner" on? Sometimes, a member doesn't say they're a beginner when they post their first story, so you may only see a low post count on a vet.
That aside, let's put it this way: while I don't expect you to want to read all 100 fics, are you really going to dismiss those fifteen good fics because you can't be arsed to read the other eighty-five? And what about the decent fics? There may be thirty in there too on top of the stuff that can be rated four and five stars. They don't deserve to be lumped in with the bad fics either.
All I'm saying is drop the "beginner = bad" crap when you go to review. Yes, beginner writers usually are crap, but you know what? If no one reviewed those beginner writers, how the **** do you expect them
not to write anything but crap? They don't know their stories are crap if no one
says they are, so yes, I would be encouraged to read all 100 if I actually had the time.
Ignore the status of the writer and look at the fic itself.
I'm really getting pissed off about the elitism of the reviewers here. The lot of you really have to learn that you're not supposed to be looking at length or how long the writer has been at the craft, and to beat a dead horse, you're not supposed to be insulting them, either.
The reviewer is there to help the writer by telling them exactly what they think. Beginner writers need feedback too. That's why they post, and that's how they improve. Get off your high horses and help them, or Jax goes and kills a puppy.
They all seem lazy and make us do the hard work.
Hi, Blue Angel?
It's because they usually don't know what the standards are. Yes, we have rules, but sometimes, you've got the idiot beginner who needs to be pointed to them.
In other cases, you've got the beginner who
has read them but needs guidance because, frankly, they really don't get certain things.
Incidentally, can I say that I find it incredibly ironic that you keep harping on people's grammar when you yourself don't display an understanding of all the rules? I mean, you often randomly capitalize words in the middle of a sentence, and in the one directly after this, you misspell "stupidity."
No, if there were drabbles here, I would read them, because my definition of short has to do with CHAPTER length or PROLOGUE length
In that case, there's such a thing as a good story with chapters being only about a page in length. Although I don't like her as a person, go find Blackjack Gabbiani's work. She has a massive fanfiction called
Obsession that's even on Serebii. And despite its location and the fact that each chapter is no longer than maybe three pages in length, it's still a decent fic.
Likewise, again, Stephen King once wrote a chapter that was only a line long.
Again, don't judge by length. Ever. There's always a number of exceptions.
Only Bay seems to get the true picture here. I never said ALL short fics are automatically crap, but most are.
That's right. You never did. But what I and the others are smacking you about is what the following implies:
I know what you mean. There are a few reasons I walk away from a fic.
1.Obvious quality lack(normally after telling them they need to improve)
2.Extremely short stories(which are normally of bad quality)
3.The story is too gruesome or unbelievable to continue
4.The person has murdered the english language, a Pokemon character with no believability and/or the laws of physics.
Already walked away once today.
What you're saying here is that you skip a fic for any of the reasons below, including because it's too short. As in, you
walk away from a fic without actually reading it because it's short. As in, you're not saying that all short fics are bad. You're saying you just don't read them because you tend to assume they're bad.
What we're making such a fuss about, then, is the fact that we think you're skipping over a bunch of good fics because you're anal enough to judge a book by its cover -- literally.
If you look at most of the locked threads, a huge amount of them are due to length.
O rly? Because I kinda thought they were due to the
quality in the amount of space that's there or because the writer posted an unfinished installment and stated they'd edit later. Because Astinus has mentioned
several times (mostly to Buoysel) that length itself is not actually a factor that would get a thread closed.
That and while a number of short fics may be locked, that really has no bearing over the entire classification. If most locked fics are short, then that's not the same as most short fics being locked. Basically, it's like saying that most insects are flies just because you only see flies.
I'm all for short stories with GOOD quality. If you guys have one from a beginner trainer that is short and Good quality, I'll gladly read it.
*motions above to the job of the reviewer*
As a beginner grows, they gain knowledge,
And how do you propose a beginner gains knowledge if no one reviews them to tell them what they did wrong? Magic?
And how do you know which one doesn't listen until you've reviewed? Sure, you can look to see if they listen to other people, but
someone has to write the first review. Not to mention that sometimes, the writer who gets a lot of negative reviews from multiple reviewers will either:
A. Start to listen because of the sheer number of people telling him that he sucks.
B. Leave, which means better quality for the forum.
The worst a writer who doesn't listen and rarely receives negative reviews will do is continue writing in the exact same style, which means the forum gets spammed up with crappy stories from an egotistical author. Even if they don't listen, it's worth it to try.
I'm sorry, Blue Angel. I won't force you to read a beginner's work, but I'd like to say you're being incredibly unfair to the people who genuinely need someone to smack them with an honest opinion for one reason or another.
That and you really need to stop harping on people's grammar until you fix your own mistakes (learning when to capitalize in a sentence, spell checking, et cetera). It makes you sound a little hypocritical.
