Feedback, Questions, and Suggestions Thread

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I don't care what happens, as long as it looks pretty~
 
Suggestion: Get rid of the all of excess "social" threads. I'm serious.

The mods don't say anything and honestly lost its purpose since [and long before] Forever and BinaryPeaches became moderators.
There is no Nightclubbing in the Nightclub.
Watch out for Zombies is just Don't Let the Mods Say Anything with a different name. Seriously, I could open them both up right now and not notice the difference until I read the thread names.

Ever since DLTMSA showed up, OT "social threads" have split OT up into distinct factions under the guise of "regulars". As such, "regulars" of one thread may find "regulars" of another thread to be "intimidating". Additionally, the subject matter of those threads tends to be more specialized towards that group of "regulars", keeping those who are not in the loop of that thread, out of it (Ever wonder why your social thread never has any new regulars?) Cut the excess social threads, cut the factions. Just leave TCTI. That way, the concept of a social thread without +1 can stay while only having the faction of "those who post in Other Trivia". Plus it has had a precedence as being that thread for the longest time. If you REALLY want to stay in your super little special club, just make a social group or something.
 
Touche.

My point still stands on WOFZ and DLTMSA being excessive and unnecessary. Take away the thread titles from the these two and TCTI and it'd be hard to tell the difference other than who the posters are (is this still even true anymore? What with all the cross-posting). As I said, they rarely serve their thread's purpose compared to TCTI which is always relevant to its purpose. They may be "exceptions" to the social thread rule, but, in my view, it's a bias for the moderators' own self-gratification, not because of some extraordinary trait they have that warrants their own thread.

Also, feedback: These new titles are the most inane things I have seen come out of this place. In fact, out of all the currently stickied threads, this is the only one that doesn't make me lose faith in this place. Whatever happened to titles that were relevant and sensible? I mean really "Follow them or the Navi will..."? Way to keep a professional tone, mods.

While we're on the topic of the rules, why the CSS?
Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?
Other than for the purpose of "look I can has CSS hurr durr", the CSS presented here is meaningless. Instead of focusing on "OOH THIS LOOKS SO PRETTY", maybe show some professionalism and tone down the CSS to a minimum. Here, I'll address my points on why this CSS is excessive. Center align is a pain to read. Why center align of all things? The background picture and text color are excessive. Do we really need to "enhance" the way people read the rules with "colorful text" and "pretty pictures"? Then there's the scrollbar. Now this is just showing off. There's already a scroll bar on the side of the screen. Why put another? Honestly, the most readable parts of these new rules were those used inside the quote box. Look at the rules sections of most every other forum. Minimal CSS used for enhancing headers, no scrollbar, all right aligned, and default fonts. Just use a list of text explaining what the rules are and why they're there. Instead of being the overly complex read it is now, it'd be a simple objective list of what and what not to do. Either that or explain to me why the CSS is so completely necessary and warranted.
 
How do I begin....

Us mods aren't the only people who don't mind keeping/want to keep the other two "social threads" around. Don't single us out.

I have nothing to really say about the title, but if enough people suggest for us to change them back to their original form, then we will.

Now, for the CSS of the rules:
1. A member suggested that CSS would make the rules more appealing (if you think that this member was my pair, then no, guess again). So, by suggestion of a member, we have done so. We've had only one complaint, and needless to say that it was yours. If we get more complaints on the look of the CSS, then we will change it accordingly.
2. While we're on the subject of the look, the font color and face was due to the fact that Netto Posted it. If I had posted it, it would have been in my font, because I did not apply any font CSS.
 
Is that your reasoning for keeping them? "Oh, other people want these around, so I'll just make an exception". I've said it previously and I shall repeat myself once more: They are the exact same thread with different titles. Sure they were fun when they were actual games, but now they're just "social threads". You don't see 3 DCC threads in Other Chat, or 3 J-E Discussion threads in Japanese Entertainment. All three of these threads follow the same premise of "Stay on topic and post a number". It's all the same thread. Think about it. Consider it. Don't just dismiss this as "jigglyppuff8 is hating on us again".

Only if others complain? Of course nobody will complain about trivial things like titles unless they're "bored" or rules they don't even read. Keep it classy 2010 mods of OT.

Regardless of who suggested it, this CSS is still tacky, gaudy, and excessive for something as simplistic as a rule thread. Too bad everyone who does read them will be too busy going "OOH LOOK TEH THREAD HAS TEH CSS AWSUM!" to care.
 
Just give it a rest, Kevin.

TCTI is for the more mature plus Nica, DLTMSA is for the somewhat mature, and WOFZ is DLTMSA except with non-Mod zeroers, so I'll give you that.

Am I allowed to say as feedback that this thread was a bad idea?
 
I will have to respectfully decline. This thread has given me a reason to voice my complaints about this place and that is what I shall do. Thankfully, TheSmartOne has been addressing my main problem with this place as of late without me having to go into detail at all (hopefully it will stay that way).

Additionally, thank you for proving my point on the factions that the different social threads have created. Are you saying that it's OK to have these seperate social threads so there can be a bias based on "maturity"? A hierarchical system where the newbs start out in the "less mature" threads and have to earn their way into the "mature" threads?
 
Now I don't want to come across as idk ...asdjashkjasdh

But I am kinda agreeing with Kevin on this one

I know alot of you guys are reallllyyy attached to those threads. And I understand that feeling too. but I don't know. it is kinda true that DLTMSA kinda is losing that magic it once had. since like half of our regulars are mods, constant zeros and all. ya know? I don't know much about WOFZ, since I don't frequent there as much, but its essentially the same thing as DLTMSA. except members can zero. and then TCTI is basically just what happens when there are no zeroes o3o;;

Is it really necessary to have 3 threads that are essentially the same thing? chatting and numbers. now I don't know everyone 'round these parts, but as far as I know, a lot of us post in all three threads anyways lololol

Ya know I really really don't like this whole separation attitude, where one thread is for the nooblets, the other is for the cool-cats and the other other is for the classy and sophisticated. :C

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I hate to say it, but I kinda agree with jiggles and ReyRey. WOFZ and DLTMSA are too much alike and I really see no point in them, other than let people restart the count.
 
I'm sold on the idea that this has become a hierarchy thing, and that is bad. My own opinion is that I do not like TCTI because it seems like there are set people who post there, and most of those people are in the "mature" and popular circles of members. This makes TCTI rather... intimidating, so users go to DLMSA and WOFZ for counting games. I really think this separation is, at the least, rude. :/ ...I think that's the word I'm looking for, anyway.

Between DLMSA and WOFZ, I favor WOFZ because anyone can be a resetter. DLMSA kind of puts mods into a higher, separate category and that's another degree of separation.
 
Don't worry Roswell all types of constructive criticism is more than welcome here on OT. Us Staff must be attentive to the needs of the community after all.

As for the comments it all comes down to the number of chat threads and the perceived fragmentation of the OT community.

Kevin, People are open to post in any of the chat threads. It is there to cater to people who have a certain niche and encourage activity for different people.

While I do sympathize with your position... as a staff member I am tasked with keeping an open mind and neutral on the issue at hand.
 
I'll agree that the threads have a certain niche to them, but what are those niches? TCTI's is a free for all with a slight air of superiority (you all created that yourselves by believing that you were inferior in some way shape or form; not necessarily by acting superior), DLTMSA is weeaboo central + general chatter among that circle of weeaboos, and curent WOFZ is DLTMSA (with the Dogboy and SilverStiletto incidents and the negative connotation it had with the thread, I'm not sure why "we" agreed to let it have a v2 in the first place). This association that DLTMSA had with Japanese Entertainment (mostly my fault admittedly) one of my reasonings for suggesting a J-E discussion thread in Japanese Entertainment so that some of that conversation could be moved there. But now I'm losing myself. I don't think that these niches are enough to justify keeping these threads open. If anything, they are serving to create a more closed-minded environment in regards to social threads and discouraging new activity (as I've addressed previously: why do you think that the old social threads haven't had any new "regulars" as of late? They were flocking to the latest one, The NightClub: A new, (no longer) social thread that had none of these niches). Sure, OT is definitely fragmented, but all the fragments can come together in one social thread, which I suggested should be TCTI.

Also, I should've mentioned this prior, but I'm not demanding nor expecting an immediate lock of those two threads. Letting these threads finish and then moving on from there doesn't sound too appealing to me due to the length, but this sounds like something others would be OK with, IF by some miracle of fate, this is actually taken into consideration and executed.

Additionally, you don't have to have Pachy trying to overcomplicate your job with downright silly suggestions in regards to them (I didn't read them, but seeing the reactions and knowing said poster's style, it doesn't take a genius).
 
jigglyppuff8 said:
Also, I should've mentioned this prior, but I'm not demanding nor expecting an immediate lock of those two threads. Letting these threads finish and then moving on from there doesn't sound too appealing to me due to the length, but this sounds like something others would be OK with, IF by some miracle of fate, this is actually taken into consideration and executed.
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If that ever happens, I will never go back to OT again. TCTI has a lot of staff posting around which intimidates me.
 
My two cents worth y/y?


Okay, everyone here knows by now I stick with WOFZ. I've posted in the other two chatting threads a few times, but... well.... I almost always felt ignored. If we're going to have a games thread where we get to know one another and can openly speak, I'd very much prefer to go into a thread where I'm not just completely swept under the carpet. In all honesty, I would LOVE for there to just be one counting thread. However, TCTI has, well, flat-out ignored me every time. DLTMSA, it's almost always nothing but talk about things that, as Jiggles said, would probably be best talked about in J-E. In all honesty, I'm not that into the Japanese "culture" that seems to be the main topic of the thread. And, in all honesty, I'm not a fan of how WOFZ is becoming the same way. For awhile, 2.0 stayed on-topic, as did the old thread. And people posted. A LOT of new people came just for the excitement and openness that WOFZ seemed to have over the other two counting threads. But, as someone else said previously, time repeats itself and is slowly becoming more and more like DLTMSA. In fact, those two threads are indeed the exact same with one little rule change now, in my eyes.

I don't disagree that these little "clicks" are a bad thing. Nor do I not admit that I'm apart of one. I just don't think that a single successful counting thread will work out anymore. The three different clicks will have to learn to coincide, and there will be a struggle, I'm guessing.



As for the continued discussion over the stickying of WOFZ, I've never understood WHY it should be stickied to begin with. I mean, yes. It is to establish the three counting threads and that there will be no more than then. But I like the idea of making a thread index better. Having one for rules, one for feedback, one for game of the month (with a clause saying that it cannot be the same game over and over again, nor just the counting threads over and over again), and I suppose the "What are you listening to" thread as well. 4 stickies. NO other thread gets special treatment, save the COMMUNITY-DECIDED game of the month. Also, if it really has to come to it because of this petty argument, just do away with the counting threads altogether. We have Other Chat for a reason, after all. That may be overstepping bounds, though.....
 
Awww, Zeffy, don't think that way.

Getting rid of all of the chatting threads will simply lower the activity of Other Trivia, and that's the last thing that we want. Our purpose as mods isn't only to maintains the rules, but also to keep the activity going.

Just as Netto said, it's out job to be as neutral as possible on the subject. So while I do sympathize with some of the things Kevin said, there are objections that I sympathize with as well. Thus, with all the current sides that are being taken, we can't take action until a clear conclusion between the members arrives.
 
In that, my vote goes to my above suggestion. The counting threads could possibly be renamed slightly to include something like [COUNTING THREAD] at the end instead of the abbreviations like we have. But getting rid of DLTMSA from sticky or TCTI from sticky without the other does kinda seem unfair. So, either keep everything as-is, or unsticky it all, I guess.... <.> That kinda would actually help maintain the impartiality you're supposed to have, no?
 
Zeffy said:

If that ever happens, I will never go back to OT again. TCTI has a lot of staff posting around which intimidates me.
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This is ironic because hardly any staff post there save Abnegation, Went, and Forever, and only occasionally for that matter, but WOFZ and DLTMSA has BinaryPeaches almost every other post.



Anyway, back to the topic at hand which seems to be activity. I don't necessarily think having one thread will decrease activity. There was plenty of activity when TCTI was the one thread i.e. we actually got a new thread every 3-4 months. As I've addressed previously, why do you think that *insert social thread here* hasn't been getting any new posters lately? Sure, some of the current posters here might be averse to this "change" (more like going back to the way things were), but I believe that it's for the better.

Oh, and Stand Alone? You're imagining that you'd have to post in TCTI the way it is now: Fragmented and perceived by the rest of the board as "Elitists" (and they're not for the most part, that's just you thinking that you're inferior in some way, shape, or form). Merge back into one big social thread and you won't have to worry about that problem anymore. No one's stopping the people who are currently posting in WOFZ from posting in TCTI. And who knows? Maybe you'll get some new friends too.
 
Isn't it more selfish to want to keep the threads open just so you can know where you can hang out with your social "clique"? Once again, I stress the point: Why do you think that *insert social thread here* hasn't been getting any new posters lately? It's the "regular" mentality that makes you think that you prefer one social thread over another. They're all, at their core, the same topic with the same posters. Before I left, I posted in all three threads about equally, not because I felt like a "regular" in all three, but because they were so similar. You should stop your X > Y mentality, because in actuality, you're thinking X > X.

Additionally, you can try and convince me why liking and disliking threads is enough justification to keep them all open.
 
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