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Garchomp is broken ?

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zenrot said:
There will ALWAYS be someone who sets a curve. So Garchomp is powerful, there are always going to be powerful pokemon. There is no reason to make him uber.
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Thing is if you read ALL of the first post it explains why.

Its not just because he is "powerful", its because it literally has no counters, a stupid ability and is bulkier than swampert and it takes a ridiculous amount of att or sp.att to ohko it.
 
well yeah thats true. But if he is so good then use him for yourself or just be prepared. It's not like garchomp is impossible to defeat. In my opinion if you ban garchomp, than ban blissey and skarmory too.
 
zenrot said:
well yeah thats true. But if he is so good then use him for yourself or just be prepared. It's not like garchomp is impossible to defeat. In my opinion if you ban garchomp, than ban blissey and skarmory too.
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Please read the whole first post, this applies to everyone, i made that specific on the first post in big bold blue letters


Blissey [insert any pokemon] are more overcentralizing than Garchomp, why arent we banning them?

Blissey isn't broken, and neither are those other pokemon. If you want to debate this, start a thread and list all the reasons why [insert any pokemon] here is broken.
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Yeah
 
zenrot said:
use him for yourself

So, I'm forced to use Garchomp or lose? Sounds broken to me.

or just be prepared

That would work- if it you could prepare for him. He has so many wildly different sets, that it's impossible to predict what he'll do until he gets off a Swords Dance or kills off your fastest sweeper.

It's not like garchomp is impossible to defeat.

True, but he's damn near.

In my opinion if you ban garchomp, than ban blissey and skarmory too.

What DA said. Besides, Skarmory and Blissey are easy to take out.
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Comments in bold, etc. etc.
 
I've never really had a problem with Chomp. Then again, I run a Hail team, so it's easy to counter.

But I can see why its broken. Almost EVERYONE I've gone up against used some form of chomp, but it cant stand a 100% accuracy blizzard from a max HP/def walrein. :)

I think it should stay in OU, honestly, you just need a bit of strategy to take it down. In my opinion, softboiled/aroma/ST bliss is much more annoying.
 
Bliss may be more annoying but it has tons of counters.
 
Garchomp is one of the few pokemon that sends a spike of fear down my spine. It's basically counterless. Also, that Sand Veil ruined my only chance to take down a Life Orb Chomp back in the past. I was up 4-1. My ape's CC missed, got quaked. My Bliss got crit and killed in one hit, and I needed to pull Aromatherapy to wake up Milo. I had Sleep Talk as backup, but obviously, I had to get Rest. Forry did get a nice hit with Gyro Ball, but that's about it. If the crit wouldn't have happened, It would've been at least a draw.

It speaks for itself; various sets make people question constantly. The only decently effective way in finding out what item it has is to use Frisk, but no OU pokemon uses Frisk. From the looks, the new main pokemon to use against Garchomp is Mamoswine due to its average defense and impressive HP and attack. That Ice Shard is a nice tool with the attack and Choice Band. i guess this is why I'm hearing more about Mamoswine these days? In the past, they were nearly obsolete from what I saw and heard.
 
Yeah You may say that every Garchomps set have a counter, but his movepool it's SO amazing that when you know if he is Scarfed or Banded or SD or Chain it's really late... there is no safe swich, and he can always carry a Yache berry, with that only a CB Weavile doing Ice Punch with Adamant and 252 EV ATK (If both have 31 IV on Atak/Def) you can ohko him, that's the reason cause I don't use Jolly... Really weavile it's too fast for Jolly IMO. But Weavile isn't a safe switch against a Garchomp...
 
Would it be safe to say that CB Mamoswine can counter Garchomp with Ice Shard w/o Yache Berry? LO is better for the SD Set, anyways. According to Anti-Pop, it gets strong really fast.
 
Manoswine could be a kind of safe change, but that will cause overcentralization. That way anybody will have a Manoswine. And he will fear the Chain Chomp, Dunno if him ohko with Blast (I don't think so) and for ohko a Garchomp the Manoswine will need Adamant and several Ev on attack, and that won't be good for Mano against other sweepers...
 
Cloud_85 said:
Manoswine could be a kind of safe change, but that will cause overcentralization. That way anybody will have a Manoswine. And he will fear the Chain Chomp, Dunno if him ohko with Blast (I don't think so) and for ohko a Garchomp the Manoswine will need Adamant and several Ev on attack, and that won't be good for Mano against other sweepers...
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Why does everybody say this? We're NOT saying you SHOULD use one, just that's It's helpful. ;)

But otherwise, I'll just have to agree with the rest.
 
Itachi 2008 said:
Why does everybody say this? We're NOT saying you SHOULD use one, just that's It's helpful. ;)

But otherwise, I'll just have to agree with the rest.
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XD, Well I'm not was trying to say that, but having only Mano as a REAL counter of almost all Chomp Versions (Note that Weavile can handle all except Scarf, if he don't have Ice Shard...) it's a reason for ban Chomp, right?
 
How exactly is Mamoswine a counter? You can't switch him in on a CB Outrage without him dying. If you intend on using a 252 HP/DEF Mamoswine, you're not going to 1HKO Garchomp anytime soon. Hell, the only way an adamant 252 ATK Mamo will 1HKO Chomp is with Life Orb or Choice Band. Sure you can revenge kill, but that means you have to lose something first.
 
If Manoswine is CB he can use Ice Shard, that will ohko Garchomp without a Yache Berry, and I don't think that a CB Chomp can Ohko a Mano with Outrage, but I don't make any calculations. In that situation you can always revenge kill a Outrage from Chomp.
 
Cloud_85 said:
If Manoswine is CB he can use Ice Shard, that will ohko Garchomp without a Yache Berry, and I don't think that a CB Chomp can Ohko a Mano with Outrage, but I don't make any calculations. In that situation you can always revenge kill a Outrage from Chomp.
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If it is easily 2HKOing our strongest bulky waters, a Mamoswine without good EVs in Defense will die easily. If you have to revenge kill, you'll have lost a pokemon just so Garchomp can switch out (since ICe Shard on Mamoswine is more predictable than a grammar error in Geore Bush's speech).
 
Right, anyways he is a safe switch, really predictable but safe.
 
Swampert hasn't been discussed much. How would a Swampert with Avalanche do. It can take a hit and has a high attack.
 
Lol is the Mod thing an April Fools trick? ^_^

EDIT: And the Mods are unmodded, too! 0_o

Anyway, mostly, this guy is ranting about how Garchomp can't be countered because of Sand Veil. Well, compare: You can't really say Cross Chop doesn't counter Blissey because it has 80 accuracy, so that doesn't really make sense.

P.S. Love the George Bush comment :P
 
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