Garchomp is broken ?

[BeachBoy]

Now on to more serious discussion, as to Beach Boy's response, that doesn't make much sense. Lucario is taken out by much, and walled easier. He hasn't the speed like Chomp. These pokes won't get better with Chomp gone, and Weavile with his speed is still a revenge killer.

Im not talking about the counters, unpredictability mainly with lucario.. anyways off of luke...

How can the walls not get better? If this beast isnt shreding some of them apart there use could become greater...

Yeah I guess weavile will stay the same. But if garchomp leaves, how can some pokemon not get better with it's departure?
I guess Im completely wrong in this, oh well. XDDD

So yeah it was just a thought...

I believe the beast will be put into uber, I really wish it wouldn't but alas, it looks broken. bye bye pirate shark. I'll still love the game either way...

 

[sims796]

Hey, I like Chomp too, but he really breaks the metagame. It's more noticable now because Sandstorm teams were more of a gimmick until recently.

Second, these walls are more useless with Chomp. They won't get better, just more useful.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Im not talking about the counters, unpredictability mainly with lucario.. anyways off of luke...

How can the walls not get better? If this beast isnt shreding some of them apart there use could become greater...

Yeah I guess weavile will stay the same. But if garchomp leaves, how can some pokemon not get better with it's departure?
I guess Im completely wrong in this, oh well. XDDD

So yeah it was just a thought...

I believe the beast will be put into uber, I really wish it wouldn't but alas, it looks broken. bye bye pirate shark. I'll still love the game either way...

Nah, its good that your voicing your opinion dude lol


Anyways, its not official thats its going to be moved up to uber, it looks like its possible with the recent abuse of it.


Anyone battled a Sub/SD Brightpowder Garchomp in Sandstorm ?, its the most broken piece of crap ive ever met, you miss just about every turn, which = a free sub and SD which = Kthnxbai team =/

 

[sims796]

Isn't Bright Powder Mothe frackin hax, anyway?

 

[Dark Azelf]

Isn't Bright Powder Mothe frackin hax, anyway?

yep, but some battlers on shoddy use it, its not banned there or anything.

 

[sims796]

I swear, what ever happend to courtesy nowadays? Time for my Double teamming Fissure Shuckle...

 

[Dark Azelf]

I swear, what ever happend to courtesy nowadays? Time for my Double teamming Fissure Shuckle...

Time for my Double Team/ Sub-seeding /Spore Breloom with no sleep caluse =)



Honestly, -28% accuracy to every move in sandstorm and with Brightpowder is ridiculous.


What i find is more ridiculous is that its bulkier than swampert =/ AND it takes 269 sp.att or STAB to guarantee a ohko on a 16 hp/0 sp.def Chomp with an Ice Beam. Oh dear...

I know you think well thats not alot,but most bulky starmie dont even run that much sp.att..

 

[Anti]

Bulkier than Swampert...ouch...I use Swampert ._.

Also, about skarmory, even if it could survive fire Fangs easily, what is Brave bird going to do to something with more physical bulk than Swampert?

 

[sims796]

So I must rebreed my Raichu to have HP ICE. And I KNOW that's not enough.

Guess it's time for me to bring out my Choice Scarf Wigglytuff...

 

[Ársa]

It is definately an issue to be concerned with. As stated by the Smogon'er, all of Garchomp's "Counters" are liable with Sand Veil in activation. Choice Band Garchomp locked into Outrage under a Sandstorm is one of (if not the) greatest threat(s) in the OU metagame. We would need time to dwell on it, but this argument has been raging for quite awhile on Smogon now.

~T_S

 

[Dark Azelf]

It is definately an issue to be concerned with. As stated by the Smogon'er, all of Garchomp's "Counters" are liable with Sand Veil in activation. Choice Band Garchomp locked into Outrage under a Sandstorm is one of (if not the) greatest threat(s) in the OU metagame. We would need time to dwell on it, but this argument has been raging for quite awhile on Smogon now.

~T_S

I wish we could link to other forums, then i could find that thread. I havent actually viewed it in a while, whats the current situation of it being considered in ubers on Smogon ?


Thing is there's is no 100% sure fire way to counter it, sad, but true.

 

[Ársa]

I'll PM it to you, give me a sec to find it...

~T_S

 

[sims796]

If you can, Dark, put it in your sig for the time being.

 

[Lil MuDkiP849]

I feel he's broken because of his movepool and 600 base stats...just an extremely deadly combo...(i know it's been sated before i'm jus stating my opinion...)

And like sims said...what's the deal with all of these sandstorm teams coming about? i battled quite a few in the past 2 days

 

[Dunsparce]

I've seen the n00biest of n00bs use Double-Team on 'Chomp while in a Sandstorm with Bright Powder attached to it.

Would it help if GF made a Physical Ice-Type Swift that Weavile can learn or Something? @.@

Could anyone run the calulations on this?

Freeze-Kill(Can't think of a cool name)
Power: 60
ACC: ---
PP: 15
Never misses.

On each of the standard Weavile sets and the gimmickly Choice Scarf one.

 

[Ársa]

I've seen the n00biest of n00bs use Double-Team on 'Chomp while in a Sandstorm with Bright Powder attached to it.

Would it help if GF made a Physical Ice-Type Swift that Weavile can learn or Something? @.@

Could anyone run the calulations on this?

Freeze-Kill(Can't think of a cool name)
Power: 60
ACC: ---
PP: 15
Never misses.

On each of the standard Weavile sets and the gimmickly Choice Scarf one.

Problem is, Weavile only ever beats Scarfchomp with Ice Shard. Remove it, and it is outsped an OHKO'd before it gets the chance. It wouldn't make any difference. It wouldn't solve the problem at all, as Weavile would outspeed any other chomp and OHKO with Ice Punch.

~T_S

 

[boo836]

Guys, wouldn't mold breaker work and disable sand veil? If not, what about a fast poke with gastro acid?

 

[Dunsparce]

Problem is, Weavile only ever beats Scarfchomp with Ice Shard. Remove it, and it is outsped an OHKO'd before it gets the chance. It wouldn't make any difference. It wouldn't solve the problem at all, as Weavile would outspeed any other chomp and OHKO with Ice Punch.

~T_S

This is how I usually run my Weavile

Weavile@Choice Scarf
Adamant
6 HP/252 ATT/252 SPD
Ice Punch
Night Slash
Brick Break
Pursuit

Can someone calculate the damage if the imaginary Freeze-Kill was put over Ice Punch?

 

[Sora_8920]

Guys, wouldn't mold breaker work and disable sand veil? If not, what about a fast poke with gastro acid?

Problem is, I don't think anything with Mole Breaker can counter Garchomp. :/ EDIT: I had an idea, how about Gastrodon? He can survive Physical variants, shrug damage off with Recover, Ice Beam it. Yeah... He can also destroy special variants with Mirror Coat.

 

[Ársa]

Yeah, but it cannot OHKO Garchomp, Garchomp is faster and Recover will only work second, you would be on the back foot the whole time. Ice Beam with only 72% Accuracy is lucky to hit 2 times, so unless the Garchomp user is stupid, you shouldn't be able to beat him.

~T_S

This is how I usually run my Weavile

Weavile@Choice Scarf
Adamant
6 HP/252 ATT/252 SPD
Ice Punch
Night Slash
Brick Break
Pursuit

Can someone calculate the damage if the imaginary Freeze-Kill was put over Ice Punch?

Well for starters, no need for that much speed when you scarf something with Base 130 speed. (If you would actually do that at all... >_<)

"Freeze-Kill" vs 16HP/min Garchomp = 119.94% - 141.27%

But you need to see something. For starters, this is a non-existant move. Next, you are running a Choice Scarf Weavile in the sole hope of killing one pokemon. You completely disrupt the power of Weavile by giving it Choice Scarf. Lastly, if you look at both Swift, Shock Wave, Aura Sphere etc, they are all Special Typed attacks. This means that more than likely the attack will be Special. This makes the damage:

41.83% - 49.31% from your Weavile set.

~T_S