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Garchomp is broken ?

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T_S, was that post even necessary? I mean take a look at it... it only tells that I lose by Garchomps (which is bull because CBDonphan is part of my regular team) and that I agreed with you guys... [NOTE: I had no attitude while writing this message, if anyone looks at it like an insult or something]

On an on-topic note...

I believe that Defensive Starmie can switch in on an Earthquake or Dragon Claw and OHKO with Ice Beam. Of course I'm about to go to bed, so no time for damage calculations.
 
Have you seen the other posts coming through? Have you seen the posts I have given? Way to pick out the bad ones. :(

But anyway, Smogon seems to still be split. I am still hesitant on moving it to Ubers, but that limbo tier is crap. It basically says "You cannot use it in OU, but Ubers is fine, even if it does nothing".

We have based our arguments, it is time to come to a consensiss. (Spelling?) sims is right, we need to stop with the discussion and bringing more into it, and actually make a conformed decision.

I won't do that though. :P

~T_S

T_S, was that post even necessary? I mean take a look at it... it only tells that I lose by Garchomps (which is bull because CBDonphan is part of my regular team) and that I agreed with you guys... [NOTE: I had no attitude while writing this message, if anyone looks at it like an insult or something]

On an on-topic note...

I believe that Defensive Starmie can switch in on an Earthquake or Dragon Claw and OHKO with Ice Beam. Of course I'm about to go to bed, so no time for damage calculations.

With Sp. Atk EV investment, which may hinder the possibility of surviving.

~T_S
 
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It's at least a 2HKO. It can't switch in and survive the next attack, especially on an EQ.
 
After reading the first 3 pages and skimming over the next 2 pages after that of this thread, I have come to the conclusion that the only real counter to a Garchomp is either Lugia or Giratina. Thus, Garchomp should be moved to the Uber Tier.

That's just my opinion, though.
 
After reading the first 3 pages and skimming over the next 2 pages after that of this thread, I have come to the conclusion that the only real counter to a Garchomp is either Lugia or Giratina. Thus, Garchomp should be moved to the Uber Tier.

That's just my opinion, though.

I think even Giratina would cry XD



Anyways, to make this even more broken, its not hard, but simply putting Outrage on the SD Set.


Dark_Azelf said:
As for Scary, Check this,


Garchomp@Life Orb
16 HP / 252 ATT / 240 SPEED
Jolly Nature
- Outrage
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang/Blast

People who think switching steels into Outrages is safe, think again =/

As if the swords dance set wasnt scary enough...

The following are calcs of Life Orb Swords Danced Outrage vs Common steel types

Defender HP: 334
Damage: 146 - 172
Damage: 43.71% - 51.50%

Max HP/Max Def Impish Skarmory




Defender HP: 338
Damage: 166 - 196
Damage: 49.11% - 57.99%

Max Hp/Max def Impish Bronzong



Defender HP: 404
Damage: 185 - 217
Damage: 45.79% - 53.71%

Max Hp/Max Def + Nature Jirachi


Defender HP: 354
Damage: 146 - 172
Damage: 41.24% - 48.59%

Max HP / Max Def Impish/Relaxed Forretress (With SR this is a 2hko)


Defender HP: 364
Damage: 154 - 181
Damage: 42.31% - 49.73%

Max HP/Max def Impish Metagross


Defender HP: 386
Damage: 177 - 208
Damage: 45.85% - 53.89%

Max HP / Max def Bold Heatran


Non-Steels

Defender HP: 420
Damage: 329 - 387
Damage: 78.33% - 92.14%

Max Hp/max Def Impish hippowdon

Defender HP: 354
Damage: 317 - 372
Damage: 89.55% - 105.08%

Max hp / Max def Impish Gliscor


Defender HP: 334
Damage: 326 - 383
Damage: 97.60% - 114.67%


Max hp/Max def Bold Weezing


Defender HP: 404
Damage: 336 - 395
Damage: 83.17% - 97.77%


Max hp/Max def Bold Suicune

Defender HP: 394
Damage: 346 - 407
Damage: 87.82% - 103.30%

Max hp/Max def Bold Slowbro


Defender HP: 404
Damage: 336 - 395
Damage: 83.17% - 97.77%

Max HP / Max def Bold Cresselia


Defender HP: 394
Damage: 429 - 504
Damage: 108.88% - 127.92%

Max HP/Max def Impish gyarados (I didnt do bulky gyara, i did this for a laugh)


Defender HP: 384
Damage: 326 - 383
Damage: 84.90% - 99.74%

Max Hp/Max Def Impish Donphan


Note : These ev spreads are not normal, some of these pokemon run less def evs than this, i used Max/Max to demonstrate how nasty this set is.

The good news is that there is ONE steel that does not get 2/3hkod by a sd Outrage on this set, this is : - Max HP / Max def Steelix (31%-37%) =).


Max hp / max def Bastiodon, probopass, Aggron, even Registeel get 3hko'd with sd outrage (Some of these get 2hko's if SR is up =/)

To prove this

Defender HP: 364
Damage: 139 - 163
Damage: 38.19% - 44.78%

Max HP / max def + DEf nature Registeel.

This is what i call Broken, its most common switch ins cannot live more than 2 hits from this set. Even the ones that can, you better pray to god that you havent taken ANY damage throughout the whole battle and that SR/Spikes, are not up.

This set may also bit easy to revenge kill, but i hope you realize that if Sandstorm is up, things may be a little more difficult. Even more so that some/most of these Switch ins, DO NOT HAVE A Recovery move, so cannot come in more than once or twice.


Even as Uber as it is, the almighty Luvdisc cant even stand an outrage.

Defender HP: 290
Damage: 353 - 415
Damage: 121.72% - 143.10%

Max hp/Max def =p

=o




Kthnxbai Metagame =/
 
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Wtf Luvdisc....

Well, are we all going to throw a vote? Or have we all agreed that it's broken in OU?
 
Wtf Luvdisc....

Well, are we all going to throw a vote? Or have we all agreed that it's broken in OU?



Luvdisc is by far the best wall in the Ou metagame, even in Ubers it outclasses Giratina and Lugia combined XD lol


What can we do about it though tbh ?

Ooka, do you still have your tier list ? We can test and "ban" Chomp there for a month or so and see how it influences the meta game or something....
 
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Thank you!

I swept a team with Luvdisc alone, but they said it was haxed!

Regardless, I still say we need more opinions of the rest of the battlers on this site before we solidify this decision.
 
Luvdisc is by far the best wall in the Ou metagame, even in Ubers it outclasses Giratina and Lugia combined XD lol


What can we do about it though tbh ?

Ooka, do you still have your tier list ? We can test and "ban" it there for a month or so and see how it influences the meta game or something....

Good idea. So then does everyone agree with this? Just changing it for about a month and testing it to see what happens.

Well, I'll go and type up a post anyways, and if people disagree, I'll revert back to the original.
 
Good idea. So then does everyone agree with this? Just changing it for about a month and testing it to see what happens.

Well, I'll go and type up a post anyways, and if people disagree, I'll revert back to the original.

Sounds good, but should we wait for more opinions on the matter, like sims said ?
 
Well, I already posted one, but I'll just go and delete it. I'll pm you the post now.
 
Aiming towards the banning of Garchomp, eh? Ah all those Gible breeding for this..

Ah well, I do agree with the banning, that things been murdering my dang Skarmory with Outrage.. and it survived an Ice Punch from my Swampert..
 
Luvdisc is by far the best wall in the Ou metagame, even in Ubers it outclasses Giratina and Lugia combined XD lol


What can we do about it though tbh ?

Ooka, do you still have your tier list ? We can test and "ban" Chomp there for a month or so and see how it influences the meta game or something....

You're joking, right? But yeah, Sims, I'll probably have to agree, since my knowledge on Luvdisc is very sub-par.
 
Aiming towards the banning of Garchomp, eh? Ah all those Gible breeding for this..

Ah well, I do agree with the banning, that things been murdering my dang Skarmory with Outrage.. and it survived an Ice Punch from my Swampert..


Abuse garchomp whilst you can is my advice for those Gibles ;)




You're joking, right? But yeah, Sims, I'll probably have to agree, since my knowledge on Luvdisc is very sub-par.


o_0
 
You're joking, right? But yeah, Sims, I'll probably have to agree, since my knowledge on Luvdisc is very sub-par.

it's like he doesn't spend any time on the internets

i vote yes for uberizing it
 
I had an uber battle once, and pretty much swept the opponent's team, and then out popped Garchomp. It tore through everything in my team, and only managed to kill it because of Rayquaza's Air Lock, and a lucky critical hit with Dragon Pulse.

Yeah, it should be locked away in ubers. It is WAY too strong for OU.
 
I think the general conclusion is that Garchomp is too strong for standard play, proven further by the lack of any good argument against it and how many arguments (note the first post) that are in favor of it. Until somebody proves it to be weak enough for standard play, I think we have no choice but to ban it.

BTW the Registeel calc proves its ultimate superiority in the universe :)

Also, Luvdisc is famous for being bad...I think Azelf was being sarcastic ;)
 
I guess if you switched in an Aerodactyl on an Earthquake, then CB Ice Fanged it, it would die. But that's about all I can see to murder it swiftly.
 
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